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In this episode of Design Nerds Anonymous, we share a highlight reel of all eight episodes from this season. explore the importance of human connection in a post-pandemic world, the unique perspective of younger generations, and the role technology is playing in shaping the workplace. Discover why understanding Gen Z is crucial for the future of the design industry and how their perspectives can reshape your approach to design, work, and mentorship.
Whether you are an avid fan or want a concise way to share insights with a colleagues, this episode has many profound insights you won’t want to miss.
Uncover the secrets to building trust and connection, especially in a digitally native era.
Learn strategies for fostering a sense of purpose and passion in the workplace to engage and motivate employees.
Explore how Gen Z's unique perspective, shaped by a digital-native upbringing, is challenging traditional career paths and redefining the corporate ladder.
Connect with our co-hosts from this episode on LinkedIn:
Cindy Kaufman
Byron Morton
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In this episode of Design Nerds Anonymous, we explore how Gen Z's unique approach to building relationships, trust, and connection in the digital age can transform the workplace. Our guests shed light on the dynamics of face-to-face interactions in a digitally native generation.
Explore how to adapt your management styles to meet Gen Z employees where they are in terms of digital-native expectations.
Learn why Gen Z's unique upbringing in the digital age positions them as mentors for leaders of older generations, offering solutions that can drive business success.
Discover how emerging technologies like Chat GPT and AI are poised to unlock untapped potential when paired with the next generation of talent.
Guests:
Hannah Grady Williams
Gabriela Silverman
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In this episode of Design Nerds Anonymous, we explore the dynamic interplay of purpose and passion in the workplace. Delve into the power of understanding the "why" behind our actions and its potential to transform our choices. Learn how a sense of purpose can forge connections, nurture communities, and foster compassion within organizations. We emphasize the crucial balance between profit and social responsibility and invite you to join us on a journey of self-discovery, unlocking the secrets of a purpose-driven life with profound impacts on your career and beyond.
Learn why delving into the profound relationship between purpose and passion at work can be transformational for individuals and organizations alike.
Learn how embracing a sense of purpose can create connections, build communities, and foster compassion circles within organizations.
Uncover how finding the right balance between profit and social responsibility is key to living a purposeful life and making a positive impact on your career and beyond.
Connect with our guests:
Akhtar Badshah
Audrey Koehn
Lennis Serrano
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In this episode we explore the evolving landscape of career paths, focusing on how Generation Z approaches and reshapes traditional concepts of career progression. Our guests share invaluable insights into the mindset of Gen Z employees and discusses the challenges and opportunities that arise when integrating their preferences into the workplace.
Discover why Gen Z's approach to career paths challenges traditional models and how it can benefit your organization.
Explore the concept of the "Jungle Gym" model for career progression and learn how it empowers employees to grow.
Learn how fostering authenticity, transparency, and psychological safety can attract and retain Gen Z talent in your workplace.
Connect with our guests:
Rohin Shahi
Corianne Burrell
Shannon White
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Thank you to our sponsors Mannington Commercial, THEMART and NeoCon.
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In this episode we dive into the dynamic world of learning in the digital era, with a specific focus on how to engage and empower Generation Z. Join us as we uncover effective strategies for adapting to Gen Z's unique learning preferences.
Learn why the buddy system works by exploring the shift from traditional face-to-face mentorship to a dynamic peer-based approach, aligning with Gen Z's preference for accessibility.
Uncover why Gen Z highly values immediate, constructive feedback, recognizing how it catalyzes their growth, while also delving into the dynamics of intergenerational digital communication.
Discover how organizations can successfully accommodate Gen Z's self-reliant and self-advocating learning style, fostering a culture of ongoing learning through skill development opportunities.
Guests:
Meghan Grace
Diana Pisone
Julia Carnaghi
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In this episode, we explore the concept of belonging within the architecture and design industry. Megan Henshall (Global Events Stategist from Google), shares three crucial dimensions of belonging: being part of a group, sharing common ideas, and connecting with various related groups.
In the second part of the episode, we chat with Kristin Cerutti (Regional Design Director at Nelson Worldwide) and Lilley Thomas (Interior Designer at Nelson Worldwide), to discuss the challenges posed by the return to office work and the potential of technology to enhance, rather than replace, physical interactions.
If you want to emphasize the value of empathy, choice, and adaptability, this episode is a must-listen.
Uncover the secrets to creating inclusive and belonging-focused event experiences for anyone interested in fostering human connection.
Learn why belonging matters more than ever in today's dynamic workplace and event landscape, with practical insights on creating immersive and inclusive environments.
Discover how establishing personal connections beyond job titles in the workplace can make employees feel like they belong and are part of a larger community.
Guests:
Megan Henshall
Kristin Cerutti
Lilley Thomas
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Thank you to our sponsors Mannington Commercial, THEMART and NeoCon.
Design Nerds Anonymous is a proud member of the SURROUND Podcast Network. Discover more shows from SURROUND at surroundpodcasts.com. This episode of Design Nerds Anonymous was produced and edited by SANDOW Design Group, with music from Blue Dot Sessions. Special thanks to the podcast production team: Hannah Viti, Wize Grazette, and Samantha Sager.
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In this episode, ThinkLab interviews Dost Bardouille, Director of Sustainability and Corporate Responsibility of Swinerton; and Nina Johnson, Senior Commercial Insights Manager at Armstrong Craven. They discuss the pitfalls of traditional mentorship and explore three additional solutions for career development and upskilling your talent in a modern era.
After listening, you will be able to:
Identify a key shift impacting career development today
Compare three new methods used for engagement
Assess the D.E.I. benefits of champions
Summarize the 7 considerations needed in designing a shadow board.
In part one, we sit down with Dost Bardouille of Swinerton to evaluate the pitfalls of traditional career development and compare two new methods of connection: sponsorship and champions. And in part two, we sit down with Nina Johnson of Armstrong Craven to identify how implementing a shadow board, a tactic that major fashion house Gucci used, can provide employees with high level engagement and in turn prove long-term success for a company's growth.
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Connect with our expert guests on LinkedIn:
Nina Johnson
Dost Bardouille
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Thank you to our sponsors Mannington Commercial, THEMART and NeoCon.
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Are you ready to unlock the secrets of creativity in the workplace and explore the exciting possibilities of the digital age?
In this episode, we delve into the fascinating world of design, technology, and innovation with Creativity Strategist, CEO Advisor and Author Natalie Nixon.
Also in this episode, join our special guests Carmen Cruz and Michelle Rotherham from CannonDesign as we discuss the importance of defining creative time, embracing new digital tools like the Metaverse and AI, and fostering collaboration in the design industry.
Discover how to combat the challenges of creativity in a time-starved world and find inspiration to design the future you envision. Whether you're a seasoned pro or just curious about the creative process, this episode has something for everyone. Tune in and get ready to supercharge your creativity!
Learn why implementing creative thinking in your team is crucial and discover the immense value of fostering workplace creativity.
Learn how to "define creative time" and understand its role in managing creative tasks effectively.
Discover how cutting-edge digital tools are shaping the future of the design industry in a deep conversation about their potential.
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Prepare to be captivated by a paradigm-shifting discussion that explores the fusion of innovation and change surrounding office culture and collaboration. In this episode our guests Brian Elliott and Sheela Subramanian, co-authors of the groundbreaking book How the Future Works, offer their unique perspectives on reshaping the workplace narrative.
Also, learn what our friends Bill Bouchey and Isabel Das from Gensler have to share about ways to bridge the gap between the physical and virtual cultures in your workplace.
Key Takeaways:
Shift from Place to Purpose: Shift your focus from the confines of the workplace's physicality towards valuing the excellence of work and its execution. This shift emphasizes the importance of work itself over the location.
Generational Differences and Learning: Explore the varied work methodologies shaped by different life experiences of different generations. Delve into how younger generations, raised in the digital age, adeptly leverage digital tools to enhance collaboration and foster connections.
Culture and Connection: Discover how to bridge the divide between in-person and digital interactions by prioritizing the development and sustenance of a robust company culture.
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In this enlightening episode, Amanda Schneider, Founder and President of ThinkLab, and Cindy Kaufman, VP of Marketing at Mannington Commercial, delve into the profound influence that designers hold in shaping our future. Through engaging conversations and insightful data, they uncover the unique perspective of Gen Z. Underscoring the pivotal role of their decisions in shaping industries and experiences.
Key Takeaways:
Explore Gen Z's distinctive outlook on the world and their concerns about the future.
Recognize the supportive role of technology in enhancing interactions while valuing tactile experiences.
Uncover Gen Z's demand for meaningful returns on their efforts and its alignment with evolving work trends.
Throughout this engaging conversation, Amanda and Cindy weave a narrative that intertwines purpose, relationships, and technology, illuminating how these elements collaboratively shape the trajectory of the design industry. Their dynamic dialogue underscores the symbiotic relationship between innovation and human connection, inviting listeners to join the evolving narrative of design's transformative impact on our world.
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Tune in as we bring you firsthand accounts from individuals entrenched in the industry's dynamic landscape, as well as those revolutionizing the field. Our conversations traverse a multitude of topics. From strategies to attract and retain emerging talents, to the art of harnessing personas within the realm of business-to-business, and even the mastery of leveraging data to propel your business forward.
Each season tackles significant challenges in the interior design industry.
ThinkLab team dedicates 6 months to in-depth research for fresh insights.
Features insights from industry experts, offering diverse perspectives.
Relevant for designers, marketers, sellers, and professionals across the spectrum.
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In this episode of Design Nerds Anonymous, we ask the question "How to Keep Gen Z from Leaving the Design Industry." In the past two years, the interior design industry has faced significant changes, with firms struggling to retain and attract talent. But what are the reasons behind this trend, and how can we address them? Today, we have the pleasure of speaking with two industry leaders, Cheryl Durst, CEO of IIDA, and Khoi Vo, CEO of ASID. Together, we'll explore the calls to action for the industry on not only attracting but retaining talent. These organizations have had a somewhat tumultuous history, but today they're coming together to explore the calls to action for the industry on not only attracting but retaining talent.
Key Takeaways:
· Discover why the interior design industry is struggling to retain and attract talent despite firms reporting record-breaking backlogs and new project workloads.
· Learn how lack of work-life balance and communication challenges are the two main reasons that prompt young talent to leave the industry, and what firms can do to address these challenges.
· Find out why today's students believe that three years or less is an appropriate amount of time to spend on their first job, and how this trend is impacting the industry.
· Explore how firms can invest in their employees and prioritize their well-being by offering flexible working arrangements and clear communication channels.
· Learn why promoting diversity, equity, and inclusion is crucial to retaining and attracting talent in the industry and providing opportunities for young talent to grow and develop their skills.
· Discover how collaboration between industry organizations, educators, and practitioners is essential to address the talent challenge and ensure the industry's long-term success.
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In this episode of Design Nerds Anonymous, we pass the mic to the newest generations in the industry to learn what they need most from product manufacturers and distributors. You’ll hear about how their workflow has changed, their biggest issues with websites, how to inspire them with your product, and more.
If you’re a product manufacturer or distributor, this episode is a must-listen. Hear directly from Gen Z designers at Interior Design’s “30 Under 30” events about what they need most from your brand, and how you can solve their biggest challenges to become their preferred go-to.
In this episode:
· Workflow changes in 2020: Learn how the next generation’s workflow has changed when it comes to product selection, and how you can adapt to meet their needs.
· Website issues: Discover the biggest issues designers face when using manufacturer and distributor websites, and how you can make yours better.
· Inspiring with your product: Hear about the best ways to inspire the next generation with your product, and how to stand out from the competition.
· What designers need from reps: Get surprising insights into what the next generation needs from their reps, including their preferred balance between digital tools and personal connections.
· Big opportunities for leading brands: Learn how leading brands can go above and beyond to get noticed by the next generation.
Key quotes:
· “It’s really hard to get in front of us designers because of this virtual world. We’re trying to do things outside of the office, like events, or they’ll do specific events for our team specifically. Like, we have a book club with some reps, which is really nice, and it really allows us to pull in other vendors into the mix as well.”
· “We’re becoming more digital in the way that we design, and we want our clients to be able to visualize what the project will look like.”
· “Sometimes too much is not good, so cut to the good stuff.”
Design Nerds Anonymous is a proud member of the SURROUND Podcast Network. Discover more shows from SURROUND at surroundpodcasts.com. This episode of Design Nerds Anonymous was produced and edited by SANDOW Design Group, with music from Blue Dot Sessions. Special thanks to the podcast production team: Hannah Viti, Wize Grazette, and Samantha Sager.
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In this episode of Design Nerds Anonymous: “The Gen Z Confessionals,” you’ll hear the anonymous voices of top design talent under the age of 30, as we dive into the world of design through the eyes of Gen Z. From what attracted them to the industry in the first place to their take on the most puzzling norms in the field, we’re exploring where Gen Z designers see the biggest opportunities for improvement that could benefit all generations in the design ecosystem.
Discover valuable insights from ThinkLab’s industry-specific data, what Gen Z is looking for in the work models of the future, and what they wish their clients knew.
Highlights from this episode:
Find out how Gen Z designers are pushing for more equality in the industry and what they’re doing to break down traditional hierarchies.
See what Gen Z designers say is a major client challenge — and how they’re addressing those constraints.
Discover why Gen Z designers are feeling burnout more acutely than previous generations — and why they’re calling for a better work-life balance in the design industry.
Find out how hybrid work models are becoming the new norm in the design industry and why individual workers prefer them over traditional office models.
Learn how designers and real estate professionals can work together to achieve better outcomes for everyone involved.
Discover why sustainability is more important than ever in the design industry and what designers are doing to create more environmentally-friendly solutions.
Did you know?
ThinkLab research shows that in general, individual workers still have about a 12 percent higher preference for hybrid work, while companies have about a 15 percent higher preference for more time in office.
This episode of Design Nerds Anonymous is brought to you by Allsteel.
Design Nerds Anonymous is a proud member of the SURROUND Podcast Network. Discover more shows from SURROUND at surroundpodcasts.com. This episode of Design Nerds Anonymous was produced and edited by SANDOW Design Group, with music from Blue Dot Sessions. Special thanks to the podcast production team: Hannah Viti, Wize Grazette, and Samantha Sager.
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Welcome to Design Nerds Anonymous: “The Gen Z Confessionals,” a miniseries dedicated to exploring the impact of Gen Z’s entrance to the workforce and the ways they are making waves in the design industry. Each episode includes unfiltered, anonymous insights from top Gen Z talent who participated in a “design confessional” hosted by ThinkLab at Interior Design’s 30 Under 30 networking events for 2022.
In this episode, we discuss how Gen Z designers are changing the way we communicate and collaborate in the workplace, the biggest shifts shaping the future of work for the good (and bad), and what post-pandemic grads are overcoming to learn the ropes in a hybrid setting.
We’ll also hear from Brett Shwery, director of interiors for AECOM, on his research about college graduates transitioning into the corporate world (see white paper here). He shares the latest findings, explains how corporations can take cues from collegiate design to ease that transition into workspace, and shares what firms like AECOM are looking for in the next generation of talent.
In this episode:
· Discover the ways Gen Z designers are using technology to collaborate with colleagues and clients.
· Hear why the physical work environment is still important — but may not be the most important factor for recent graduates entering the workforce.
· Find out how why Gen Z designers have a more inclusive and collaborative approach to work, and how this is reflected in the way they design and work with others.
· Learn what our experts think is the key to navigating career shifts in the future.
· Discover the one thing and designers should focus on when building their career paths — and why it’s NOT future-proofing their work.
Connect with our interviewee on LinkedIn:
Brett Shwery
This episode of Design Nerds Anonymous is brought to you by KI.
Design Nerds Anonymous is a proud member of the SURROUND Podcast Network. Discover more shows from SURROUND at surroundpodcasts.com. This episode of Design Nerds Anonymous was produced and edited by SANDOW Design Group, with music from Blue Dot Sessions. Special thanks to the podcast production team: Hannah Viti, Wize Grazette, and Samantha Sager.
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Get ready to hear from the freshest voices in the design industry! In a new four-episode miniseries, we’re putting the “anonymous” back in Design Nerds Anonymous, gathering unfiltered insights directly from the next generation of designers. These talented designers share their perspective on the industry, their career paths, and what they're looking for from the design ecosystem. These fascinating interviews took place at Interior Design’s “30 under 30” networking events in 2022, as part of a “design confessional” hosted by ThinkLab, the architecture and design industry’s premiere market research firm.
Join us as we continue to unpack the feedback from these talented young designers and explore what it means for the future of the design industry. Whether you're a firm looking to recruit and retain talent or a product manufacturer trying to connect with this powerful new generation of designers, there's something in this design podcast mini-season for you.
Key Takeaways
Hear from up-and-coming Gen Z designers on what they love – and what they don’t
Discover actionable advice on work shifts in the post-pandemic world
Gain valuable insights on how to engaged with Gen Z designers
Recognize the importance of connecting with the next generation of designers for firms and product manufacturers – and what they want the most from each
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Design Nerds Anonymous is a proud member of the SURROUND Podcast Network. Discover more shows from SURROUND at surroundpodcasts.com. This episode of Design Nerds Anonymous was produced and edited by SANDOW Design Group, with music from Blue Dot Sessions. Special thanks to the podcast production team: Hannah Viti, Wize Grazette, and Samantha Sager. -
In this episode, ThinkLab holds a roundtable discussion with Shelley Rosetta, consultant at dealer organization Solomon Coyle, and Meredith Campbell, host of ThinkLab’s The Learning Objective podcast. Both discuss the benefits of treating dealer designers as partners and vital members of your project team.
In this episode:
[10:33] Shelley explains live design, how it works, and why it’s unique to the dealer designer.
[18:00] Meredith and Shelley name what they see as the biggest benefits of working closely with a dealer designer.
[27:35] Meredith explains ThinkLab’s research findings on dealer designers and their preference for self-serving.
Shelley Rosetta, consultant at Solomon Coyle, and Meredith Campbell, who is part of ThinkLab’s research and content development team, dive into why it’s worth moving beyond the historical view of dealer designers — away from thinking of them as someone who simply puts the order together. Instead, they urge designers to consider dealer designers as a useful knowledge resource that can serve as guardrails.
After all, as Campbell mentions, designers in ThinkLab focus groups have said what they value most from manufacturers and distributors is someone who can save them from themselves.
Connect with our interviewees on LinkedIn:
Shelley Rosetta
Meredith Campbell
This season of Design Nerds Anonymous is brought to you by Mannington Commercial, THEMART, and NeoCon, companies doing big things to move the design industry forward.
Download our leading-edge playbook: 5 Personas and 50 Ways to Design Their Phygital Journey.
Design Nerds Anonymous is a proud member of the SURROUND Podcast Network. Discover more shows from SURROUND at surroundpodcasts.com. This episode of Design Nerds Anonymous was produced and edited by SANDOW Design Group, with music from Blue Dot Sessions. Special thanks to the podcast production team: Hannah Viti, Wize Grazette, and Samantha Sager.
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We're so excited to introduce you to a new podcast from the SURROUND podcast network called Barriers to Entry. The show will feature the leaders, the designers, the early adopters, and the influencers who are helping to shape what web3 will mean for the architecture and design industry. Along the way, Barriers to Entry will cut through the hype cycle and attempt to demystify all things Web3, while laying out the real-life implications and applications for our world. Hosted by SANDOW DESIGN GROUP’s Bobby Bonett, and Digby co-founders Andrew Lane and Tessa Bain.
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In this episode, ThinkLab interviews Ryan Jenkins, Wall Street Journal best-selling author and keynote speaker, author of The Generation Z Guide and Connectable and Bobby Bonett, Executive Vice President of Digital and Strategic Growth at SANDOW Design Group, about what makes GEN Z different and how their preferences may have a “ripple up” effect across the design industry. You’ll learn what younger generations expect from brands who are trying to recruit, retain and connect with them, and how to get ahead.
In this episode:
[8:00] Learn about why there is tension as we come to terms with GEN Z and even millennials.
[10:00] Ryan discusses how Gen Z is approaching the job hunt and the surprising platform that they rely on the most when searching for their next career step.
[20:00] Bobby highlights how younger generations prefer to interact with brands today, and how that will likely evolve
Connect with our interviewees on LinkedIn:
Bobby Bonett
Ryan Jenkins
To hear more from Ryan, register here for his highly anticipated 2023 Design Hackathon Keynote titled “CONNECTABLE: HOW TO RECRUIT, RETAIN, AND CONNECT WITH GEN Z”
This season of Design Nerds Anonymous is brought to you by Mannington Commercial, THEMART, and NeoCon, companies doing big things to move the design industry forward.
Design Nerds Anonymous is a proud member of the SURROUND Podcast Network. Discover more shows from SURROUND at surroundpodcasts.com. This episode of Design Nerds Anonymous was produced and edited by SANDOW Design Group, with music from Blue Dot Sessions. Special thanks to the podcast production team: Hannah Viti, Wize Grazette, and Samantha Sager. -
In this episode, ThinkLab holds a roundtable discussion with Byron Morton, VP and co-head of leasing for THEMART in Chicago, and Amanda Darley, VP of marketing for Mannington Commercial. Both bring their perspectives on how brands, events, and even buildings can be leveraged to create and customize experiences — and why creating these experiences matters more than ever for our industry as we move into 2023.
In this episode:
[0:23] Amanda references a new blog post about ThinkLab’s Five Buyer Personas. You can read it in full here.
[6:28] Amanda explains Mannington Commercial’s Samplify program, which provided digital printed samples to showroom visitors.
[13:34] Byron discusses the ways that THEMART has expanded its digital presence.
[25:27] “With all of the social complexities that we have been facing, having some remote options has been a leveling of a playing field in some ways.”
In this roundtable, Byron Morton and Amanda Darley discuss the current state of affairs for the industry and what lies ahead. Byron describes the new programs and enhancements being put into place at THEMART to create experiences for clients in the building, such as expanding access to the members-only club and focusing on events. Amanda explains how Mannington Commercial has been finding new ways to interact digitally with specifiers, by creating content via the firm’s blog as well as through one-on-one videos and other online elements. These efforts are intended to position the brand as a knowledgeable resource for any questions.
Connect with our interviewees on LinkedIn:
Byron Morton
Amanda Darley
This season of Design Nerds Anonymous is brought to you by Mannington Commercial, THEMART, and NeoCon, companies doing big things to move the design industry forward.
Download our leading-edge playbook: 5 Personas and 50 Ways to Design Their Phygital Journey.
Design Nerds Anonymous is a proud member of the SURROUND Podcast Network. Discover more shows from SURROUND at surroundpodcasts.com. This episode of Design Nerds Anonymous was produced and edited by SANDOW Design Group, with music from Blue Dot Sessions. Special thanks to the podcast production team: Hannah Viti, Wize Grazette, and Samantha Sager. - Laat meer zien
