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An accident happened in July that everyone is talking about. This conversation is inspired by the CrowdStrike event. However, it’s NOT specifically ABOUT the CrowdStrike event.
While everybody was mostly analyzing process dumps and null pointers, Bill Bensing and John Willis took the perspective of operations management and why the software industry is so prone to accidents. We’re missing things like operational definitions, blueprints, specifications, and standards.
Listen to our conversation where we talk about DevOps automated governance and debunk the myth that the software industry is so creative that no standard can (or should) be imposed.
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You know how in every good movie, it takes some time for a plot to develops, and the main character is introduced only later in the movie… We’ll that’s why it took me 43 episodes of the DevOps podcast to welcome a person that started it all! I talked with Patrick Debois about challenges of introducing Generative AI and how can AI Platform Engineering help.
Platform Engineering is the pattern that successful organizations use to efficiently scale the approach, the technology, and ways of working. Yesterday, it was about building abstractions to deploy and manage apps on Kubernetes. Today, it is also about providing access to approved LLM models, RAG mechanisms, vector databases, caching, model versioning, and connectors to legacy data sources, hence AI Platform Engineering.
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Damon Edwards is Senior Director, Product at PagerDuty. I’ve been aware of Damon’s impressive work in the DevOps space since my first Enterprise Technology Leadership Summit where Damon is continuously a member of the program committee. But, in the last couple of years, we’ve gotten to know each other better and engaged in some super interesting conversations and topics that I wanted to share with you.
This time, we talked about the timeless topic of providing value and whether operations, in the broader sense, can be a competitive differentiator for a company. The conversation is as much a history lesson as it is a primer for operating in the future.
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Sam Newman and Michael Heiß have a long history of helping organizations with technical architectures and organizational dynamics. I talked with them about the future of software architecture, the return of the Monolith, and the importance of play in daily work. This episode is special since we recorded it live at the QED conference!
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This interview is featured in 0800-DEVOPS #61 - Software architecture and play with Sam Newman and Michael Heiß.
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Trends in software architecture
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Simplicity and pragmatism
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The importance of play in workplaceText me what you think.
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Dan Garfield is VP Open Source at Octopus Deploy. I spoke with Dan about KubeCon, GitOps, DORA regulation, the future of Continuous Delivery, AI, and the bright future of Codefresh joining Octopus Deploy.
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This interview is featured in 0800-DEVOPS #60 - GitOps with Dan Garfield.
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Introduction
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Founding Codefresh
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Maintaining ArgoCD
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About GitOps
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GitOps fueling organizational performance
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GitOps and DORA regulation
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Codefresh joining Octopus Deploy
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State of DevOps in "regular" organizations
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The future of Continuous Delivery and AI
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Dan's recommendationsText me what you think.
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Kaspar von Grünberg is CEO at Humanitec, one of the companies leading the platform engineering space. He’s been involved in platform engineering from the start, practically when the term was invented. A lot is going on recently in this space, particularly around Broadcom acquiring VMWare, and this is just one of the topics Kaspar and I will dig into.
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This interview is featured in 0800-DEVOPS #59 - Platform Engineering with Kaspar von Grünberg.
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Introdution
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What is Platform Engineering?
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The curious case of Broadcom and VMWare
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How to escape the lock-in trap
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Typical challenges with Platform Engineering
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Platform Engineering as an organizational transformation
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Setting the right goals and metrics
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The future of Platform EngineeringText me what you think.
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Peter Guagenti is the President & Chief Marketing Officer of Tabnine, a company behind one of the most popular AI code assistants on the market. I spoke with Peter about AI code assistants, what automatic transmissions and AI have in common, and the philosophical question of future humans forgetting how to code.
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This interview is featured in 0800-DEVOPS #58 - AI code assistants with Peter Guagenti.
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Introduction
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The magic behind AI code assistants
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Typical patterns how developers use code assistants
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Can developers rely too much on code assistants?
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Will developer skills deteriorate over time?
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How mature is the technology today?
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The future of code assistantsText me what you think.
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John Willis is another absolute legend in software delivery and DevOps, an industry veteran working at companies such as Docker and evangelizing good technical practices. He is the co-author of The DevOps Handbook, Beyond The Phoenix Project and Investments Unlimited, and lately, he published an incredible book on Dr. William Edwards Deming called "Deming's Journey to Profound Knowledge."
I thought I knew everything there was to know about Dr. Deming - after all, what is there to know - watch out for seven data points in a row above or beyond the average and do something - and that's it! Except it's not! :)
Through his book and by hanging out with him in a weekly book club, John took me on the journey of exploring Deming, and at times, it felt like going through an escape room - just as I thought I understood everything, I'd find a new door and a whole new world. This episode is a glimpse into John's book and our ongoing conversations with the hope that we will also spark interest for Deming in others.
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Show notes:
John Willis' Ignite talk: "Devops and Dr Deming’s 14 Points" (Velocity NY 2014) - YouTube
This interview is featured in 0800-DEVOPS #57 - Deming’s Journey to Profound Knowledge with John Willis.
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Introduction
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How John started exploring Dr. Deming
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The System of Profound Knowledge
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An example of PDSA working in an organization
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Key experiences that shaped Dr. Deming's work
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DevOps and Dr. Deming's 14 Points
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Book recommendationsText me what you think.
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Legends don't need introductions, but I'll write a light one, nevertheless. Gene Kim is the author or co-author of many significant books from DevOps space (The Phoenix Project, The Unicorn Project, Accelerate, The DevOps Handbook, to name a few) and the mastermind behind the amazing DevOps Enterprise Summit conference. I spoke with Gene about rewiring our organizations to set them for success.
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This interview is featured in 0800-DEVOPS #56 - Wiring the Winning Organization with Gene Kim.
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DevOps Enterprise Summit conference
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Wiring the Winning Organization
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Three mechanisms of performance
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Layers on which work happens
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The role of leadership
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Advice for change agents
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Present and future of DevOps
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Book recommendationsText me what you think.
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Dr. Vladyslav Ukis is Head of R&D at Siemens Healthineers with a strong interest in topics of Software Architecture, Cloud Computing, and Digital Transformation, to name a few. Vlad is also a book author; his book “Establishing SRE Foundations” describes his practical experience in starting the SRE practice. Listen to our conversation on introducing the SRE practice to enterprise organizations.
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This interview is featured in 0800-DEVOPS #55 - Establishing SRE Foundations with Vladyslav Ukis.
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Introduction
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SRE definition
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Drivers for starting with the SRE practice
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Organizational buy-in
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Practical first steps
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Team coaching during SRE transformation
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Setting the right SLOs
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Lessons learned in starting with SRE practice
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Follow recommendationsText me what you think.
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This episode is a special one for me since, for the first time, I have a reappearance in the show – my friend Nathen Harvey, the godfather of the DORA community! We talked about the community, the inaugural DORA Summit, and the freshly published 2023 State of DevOps Report. Nathen touched upon a couple of very interesting insights and shared a ton of advice!
An interesting insight is about trunk-based development influencing burnout. Community is working hard to explain this so feel free to join the DORA community trunk-based development discussion that is scheduled for Thursday, December 7 at 6PM UTC. Join the DORA Community of Practice for details and an invitation to the discussion.
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This interview is featured in 0800-DEVOPS #54 - 2023 State of DevOps Report with Nathen Harvey.
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Introduction
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DORA community
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2023 State of DevOps Report
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DORA research and service organizations
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Accelerate, second edition
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Follow recommendationsText me what you think.
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Bryan Finster is a Distinguished Engineer at Defense Unicorns and a relentless searcher for better ways of working – not by following prescribed frameworks but by gaining situational awareness and recognizing specific contextual improvements. We discussed a topic that stirred an otherwise dull summer – McKinsey’s report on measuring developer productivity.
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This interview is featured in 0800-DEVOPS #53 - Measuring developer productivity with Bryan Finster.
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Introduction
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McKinsey report on measuring developer productivity
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DORA metrics
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Using and abusing DORA metrics
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Abusing metrics
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Improving the organization
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Tips on taking metrics
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Following recommendationsText me what you think.
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Jennifer Petoff is the director of Google Cloud Platform & Technical Infrastructure Education, and a co-editor of a super popular book "Site Reliability Engineering".
I met Jennifer at the DevOps Enterprise Summit 2023 conference, where she talked about how each engineer's training needs vary depending on several factors. The talk caught my attention because, let's be honest, who can say that their learning program is so good that they have nothing to learn from Google?
People are different and in different stages of their personal and organizational journey, so they also need different kinds of support. Jennifer likes to address these differences with a 2x2 matrix considering industry experience and familiarity with your organization.
Sometimes, organizations try to apply a one-size-fits-all approach to all quadrants and wonder why the result is missing. The truth is that each quadrant requires a different learning approach.
Listen to my conversation with Dr. J. and learn more about specific techniques for each quadrant.
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This interview is featured in 0800-DEVOPS #52 - Learning organizations with Jennifer Petoff.
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Introduction
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What are learning organizations
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Prerequisites for learning organizations
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Getting a management buy-in
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Experience-Familiarity matrix
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Designing a learning program
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RecommendationsText me what you think.
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Paul Stovell is the CEO of Octopus Deploy and an industry veteran building the tool supporting agile software development. I spoke with Paul about bottlenecks in the software delivery process today, deployment challenges in hybrid environments, and the future of application release automation. As Paul says, deployment time should be the time of happiness and satisfaction, not the time of fear and anxiety.
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This interview is featured in 0800-DEVOPS #51 - Agile software development with Paul Stovell.
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Introduction
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About Octopus Deploy
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Challenges in software delivery today
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The complexity of hybrid environments
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About Governance, Risk and Compliance
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The future of application release automation
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AI and deployment management
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Book recommendationsText me what you think.
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Andre Martin has worked in senior roles in charge of learning dynamics and people development in large organizations such as Nike, Target, and Google. Over the years, he distilled all that experience in a book that will be published in September 2023, and it’s called “Wrong Fit, Right Fit.” You might wonder what is a “fit” and what does a wrong one look like? What does the right one look like, and how do we achieve it? Listen to our conversation.
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This interview is featured in 0800-DEVOPS #50 - Wrong Fit, Right Fit with Andre Martin.
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Introduction
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Workplaces today
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What is a "fit"?
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Employer Branding
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Can we lose the right fit?
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Keeping the right fit
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Book recommendationsText me what you think.
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Manuel Pais is co-author of the book Team Topologies and Eduardo da Silva is a Team Topologies Valued Practitioner. Both are helping organizations improve their ways of working by applying Team Topologies principles. An important part of Team Topologies are Enabling teams. What are Enabling teams? What kind of people do you need in them? What is the ROI on Enabling teams? How do you start with Enabling teams in an organization? Find out in my conversation with Manuel and Eduardo and note that they’re offering a summer discount for all Team Topologies Academy courses.
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This interview is featured in 0800-DEVOPS #49 - Enabling teams with Manuel Pais and Eduardo da Silva.
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Introduction
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What are Enabling teams?
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Increasing our chances of Enabling teams improving our organization
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Relationship between Enabling teams and the organization
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Understanding where the organization needs help
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ROI of Enabling teams
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How to sell the idea of Enabling teamsText me what you think.
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Bill Bensing is one of the authors of the excellent book Investments Unlimited and has so many fresh ideas on the everlasting challenge of Governance. I talked with Bill about Governance as a Service, collaboration between tech and non-tech people, and tools that make it happen. As Bill says – Governance Engineering is not really about technology engineering. It’s about “good feelings” engineering!
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This interview is featured in 0800-DEVOPS #48 - Governance Engineering with Bill Bensing.
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Introduction
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Governance in enterprise organizations today
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Tackling the problem of Governance
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Crossing the chasm with enterprise Governance
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Governance Engineering vs. Platform Engineering
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Ubiquitous language for tech and non-tech people
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Advice on how to start with Governance Engineering
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Where to learn more on Governance EngineeringText me what you think.
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Kelsey Hightower is a pragmatic person, in love with technology but never forgetting that technology should always be in the service of humankind. His rational view on the business-technology interplay and scrutinizing approach to finding value in technology restore sanity in this crazy world often driven solely by technology hype cycles. His ability to dissect business problems and break them down to technology fundamentals never ceases to amaze me. We talked about different perspectives of value, how to approach the ever-changing technical landscape, why it is essential to master technical fundamentals, and much more.
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This interview is featured in 0800-DEVOPS #47 - Talking about value with Kelsey Hightower.
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Introduction
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The relationship between technology and business in creating value for the customers
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Is technology moving to fast?
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Are we becoming hype driven?
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How does he assess new technology in terms of value?
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Achieving the balance between business and technology
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A career in tech is about the willingness to learn a different tool when the time comesText me what you think.
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Clarissa Lucas is IT Audit Director, speaker, and book author. I loved talking to her because, for most of my professional career, I was dealing with the technical aspects of delivering software solutions. And I remember many times I was freaking out because I saw that "we", the technical people, and "they", the non-technical people, were not aligned on how we delivered software. Clarissa comes from that other side of the fence and is working hard to achieve the alignment of delivery and audit. We talked about auditing with agility and tearing down the fence between delivery teams and auditors.
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This interview is featured in 0800-DEVOPS #46 - Auditing with agility with Clarissa Lucas.
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Introduction
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What is the role of Audit?
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How is audit traditionally performed in enterprise organizations?
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A different way of collaborating with delivery teams
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Modern software development practices vs. traditional audit approach
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CABs and manual checks
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Advice on getting Audit people on-board with process improvements
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Understanding the Audit perspective (walk in their shoes)
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The upcoming book "Beyond Agile Auditing"
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Book recommendations, people to followText me what you think.
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Glenn Wilson is CTO and founder at Dynaminet, book author, and speaker. After reading his book “DevSecOps” and some other security-related material and talking to several people in the industry, I think security is finally the next bottleneck that organizations must solve, especially those in highly-regulated environments. I spoke with Glenn about automating Change Advisory Boards and scaling security skills in an organization.
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This interview is featured in 0800-DEVOPS #45 - Automating and scaling security with Glenn Wilson.
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Intro
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Is security getting the attention it deserves today?
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Organizations in highly-regulated environments
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Automation as a solution
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Change Advisory Boards
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Segregation of duties
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Scaling security skills in the organization
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Book recommendations, people to followText me what you think.
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