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  • In this conversation, Perry sits down with Dr. Bilyana Lilly to discuss her new book Digital Mindhunters (Coming Oct 30) and the intersection of cybersecurity, disinformation, and AI. She describes the narrative structure of her book, navigating a world of cyber threats and influence operations, and the evolving landscape of disinformation with AI amplifying threats. Dr. Lilly emphasizes the importance of awareness and education in combating misinformation and highlights the global threats posed by countries like Russia and China.

    Guests:
    Dr. Bilyana Lilly (LinkedIn) (Twitter)

    References:


    Digital Mindhunters, by Dr. Bilyana Lilly (Amazon Associates Link)

    EU vs. Disinfo website


    International Fact-Checking Network (IFCN) Code of Principles

    Quote Origin: A Lie Can Travel Halfway Around the World While the Truth Is Putting On Its Shoes


    SE Community John Henry competition (where Perry's AI bot was able to compete!)

    [PROVED] Unsuspecting Call Recipients Are Super Vulnerable to AI Vishing

    Perry's LinkedIn post talking about the competition results

    Perry's Books (Amazon Associate Links)


    NEW BOOK (Oct 1, 2024): FAIK: A Practical Guide to Living in a World of Deepfakes, Disinformation, and AI-Generated Deceptions


    Book website: https://thisbookisfaik.com



    Transformational Security Awareness: What Neuroscientists, Storytellers, and Marketers Can Teach Us About Driving Secure Behaviors, by Perry Carpenter


    The Security Culture Playbook: An Executive Guide To Reducing Risk and Developing Your Human Defense Layer by Perry Carpenter & Kai Roer

    Production Credits:
    Music and Sound Effects by Blue Dot Sessions, Envato Elements, & Storyblocks.
    Artwork by Chris Machowski @ https://www.RansomWear.net/ and Mia Rune @ https://www.MiaRune.com.
    8th Layer Insights theme music composed and performed by Marcos Moscat @ https://www.GameMusicTown.com/
    Want to get in touch with Perry? Here's how:

    LinkedIn

    Twitter

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    Email: perry [at] 8thLayerMedia [dot] com

  • In this episode, Perry catches-up with Stephanie (Snow) & JC Carruthers. They talk about social engineering, the DEFCON Social Engineering Community / Village, and share their favorite (and most embarrassing) social engineering stories.

    Perry also gives a quick update on his recent exploits entering an AI chatbot into the Social Engineering Village CTF, speaking at the DEFCON AI Village, and the release of his new book, FAIK: A Practical Guide to Living in a World of Deepfakes, Disinformation, and AI-Generated Deceptions.

    Guests:

    Stephanie (Snow) Carruthers: (LinkedIn) (Twitter)

    JC Carruthers: (LinkedIn) (Twitter)


    References:

    Social Engineering Community website

    SE Community twitter page


    SE Community John Henry competition (where Perry's AI bot was able to compete!)

    [PROVED] Unsuspecting Call Recipients Are Super Vulnerable to AI Vishing

    Perry's LinkedIn post talking about the competition results


    Perry's Books (Amazon Associate Links)


    NEW BOOK (Oct 1, 2024): FAIK: A Practical Guide to Living in a World of Deepfakes, Disinformation, and AI-Generated Deceptions


    Book website: https://thisbookisfaik.com



    Transformational Security Awareness: What Neuroscientists, Storytellers, and Marketers Can Teach Us About Driving Secure Behaviors, by Perry Carpenter


    The Security Culture Playbook: An Executive Guide To Reducing Risk and Developing Your Human Defense Layer by Perry Carpenter & Kai Roer


    Production Credits:
    Music and Sound Effects by Blue Dot Sessions, Envato Elements, & Storyblocks.
    Artwork by Chris Machowski @ https://www.RansomWear.net/ and Mia Rune @ https://www.MiaRune.com.
    8th Layer Insights theme music composed and performed by Marcos Moscat @ https://www.GameMusicTown.com/
    Want to get in touch with Perry? Here's how:

    LinkedIn

    Twitter

    Instagram

    Email: perry [at] 8thLayerMedia [dot] com

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  • On this episode, Perry gets to sit down with Ed Skoudis to discuss the simplicity and complexities of cybersecurity ethics. Ed's new book is The Code of Honor: Embracing Ethics in Cybersecurity.

    Guest:
    Ed Skoudis (LinkedIn) (Twitter) (Website)
    Books and References:


    The Code of Honor: Embracing Ethics in Cybersecurity, by Paul J. Maurer and Ed Skoudis


    The Mysterious Case of Rudolf Diesel: Genius, Power, and Deception on the Eve of World War I, by Douglas Brunt

    The Cybersecurity Code (downloadable): https://www.montreat.edu/cybersecurity-code/


    The Code of Honor book page

    YouTube Video: Inside SANS Holiday Hack Challenge 2023 | Host: Ed Skoudis | August 29, 2023


    Perry's Books (Amazon Associate Links)


    NEW BOOK (Oct 1, 2024): FAIK: A Practical Guide to Living in a World of Deepfakes, Disinformation, and AI-Generated Deceptions


    Book website: https://thisbookisfaik.com



    Transformational Security Awareness: What Neuroscientists, Storytellers, and Marketers Can Teach Us About Driving Secure Behaviors, by Perry Carpenter


    The Security Culture Playbook: An Executive Guide To Reducing Risk and Developing Your Human Defense Layer by Perry Carpenter & Kai Roer

    Production Credits:
    Music and Sound Effects by Blue Dot Sessions, Envato Elements, & Storyblocks.
    Artwork by Chris Machowski @ https://www.RansomWear.net/ and Mia Rune @ https://www.MiaRune.com.
    8th Layer Insights theme music composed and performed by Marcos Moscat @ https://www.GameMusicTown.com/
    Want to get in touch with Perry? Here's how:

    LinkedIn

    Twitter

    Instagram

    Email: perry [at] 8thLayerMedia [dot] com

  • On this episode, Perry gets to sit down with Jon Gillham. Jon is the founder and CEO of Originality.ai -- an AI content detection platform designed to help website owners, content marketers, writers and publishers hit 'publish' with integrity in the world of generative AI.

    In this interview, we get the lowdown on how AI content detection works, what it is good at, and where some of the current limits are.

    Guest:
    Jon Gillham (LinkedIn) (Twitter) (Website)
    Books and References:


    AI Content Detector Accuracy Review + Open Source Dataset and Research Tool, Originality.ai blog post


    Is Using AI Tools the Same as Plagiarizing? A Legal Perspective, Originality.ai blog post


    Empirical Study of AI-Generated Text Detection — Results as per An Empirical Study of AI-Generated Text Detection Tools, Originality.ai blog post

    A Survey on LLM-Generated Text Detection: Necessity, Methods, and Future Directions

    LLM-as-a-Coauthor: The Challenges of Detecting LLM-Human Mixcase

    Perry's Books (Amazon Associate Links)


    NEW BOOK (Oct 1, 2024): FAIK: A Practical Guide to Living in a World of Deepfakes, Disinformation, and AI-Generated Deceptions



    Transformational Security Awareness: What Neuroscientists, Storytellers, and Marketers Can Teach Us About Driving Secure Behaviors, by Perry Carpenter


    The Security Culture Playbook: An Executive Guide To Reducing Risk and Developing Your Human Defense Layer by Perry Carpenter & Kai Roer

    Production Credits:
    Music and Sound Effects by Blue Dot Sessions, Envato Elements, & Storyblocks.
    Artwork by Chris Machowski @ https://www.RansomWear.net/ and Mia Rune @ https://www.MiaRune.com.
    8th Layer Insights theme music composed and performed by Marcos Moscat @ https://www.GameMusicTown.com/
    Want to get in touch with Perry? Here's how:

    LinkedIn

    Twitter

    Instagram

    Email: perry [at] 8thLayerMedia [dot] com

  • On this episode, Perry gets to sit down with investigative journalist, author, and podcaster, Geoff White. They discuss Geoff's new book, "Rinsed: From Cartels to Crypto: How the Tech Industry Washes Money for the World's Deadliest Crooks", the state of global cybercrime, and (everybody's favorite topic) artificial intelligence.
    Guest:
    Geoff White (LinkedIn) (Twitter)
    Books and References:


    Rinsed: From Cartels to Crypto: How the Tech Industry Washes Money for the World's Deadliest Crooks, by Geoff White


    RinsedGPT -- Generative AI questions/answers from the book, Rinsed


    The Lazarus Heist: Based on the hit podcast, by Geoff White


    Crime Dot Com: From Viruses to Vote Rigging, How Hacking Went Global, by Geoff White


    The Lazarus Heist podcast (BBC)

    YouTube video: Three Key Types of Cybercriminals, by Geoff White

    Perry's Books (Amazon Associate Links)


    Transformational Security Awareness: What Neuroscientists, Storytellers, and Marketers Can Teach Us About Driving Secure Behaviors, by Perry Carpenter


    The Security Culture Playbook: An Executive Guide To Reducing Risk and Developing Your Human Defense Layer by Perry Carpenter & Kai Roer

    Production Credits:
    Music and Sound Effects by Blue Dot Sessions, Envato Elements, & Storyblocks.
    Artwork by Chris Machowski @ https://www.RansomWear.net/ and Mia Rune @ https://www.MiaRune.com.
    8th Layer Insights theme music composed and performed by Marcos Moscat @ https://www.GameMusicTown.com/
    Want to get in touch with Perry? Here's how:

    LinkedIn

    Twitter

    Instagram

    Email: perry [at] 8thLayerMedia [dot] com

  • In this episode, Perry sits down with award winning cybersecurity author, George Finney to discuss his recent book, Project Zero Trust. This is a broad discussion that hits on the concepts of Zero Trust, George's approach to writing the book, his passion for storytelling, and much more.

    Guest:
    George Finney (LinkedIn) (Website)
    Books and References:


    Project Zero Trust: A Story about a Strategy for Aligning Security and the Business, by George Finney


    Well Aware: Master the Nine Cybersecurity Habits to Protect Your Future, by George Finney


    The history and evolution of zero-trust security, TechTarget

    Wikipedia: Zero Trust Security Model


    Perry's Books (Amazon Associate Links)


    Transformational Security Awareness: What Neuroscientists, Storytellers, and Marketers Can Teach Us About Driving Secure Behaviors, by Perry Carpenter


    The Security Culture Playbook: An Executive Guide To Reducing Risk and Developing Your Human Defense Layer by Perry Carpenter & Kai Roer

    Production Credits:
    Music and Sound Effects by Blue Dot Sessions, Envato Elements, & Storyblocks.
    Artwork by Chris Machowski @ https://www.RansomWear.net/ and Mia Rune @ https://www.MiaRune.com.
    8th Layer Insights theme music composed and performed by Marcos Moscat @ https://www.GameMusicTown.com/
    Want to get in touch with Perry? Here's how:

    LinkedIn

    Twitter

    Instagram

    Email: perry [at] 8thLayerMedia [dot] com

  • In this episode Perry Carpenter sits down with Rachel Tobac to debrief after her recent KB4-CON session, "How I'd Hack You Live" where she... well... hacked Perry live. Perry and Rachel explore how age-old deception techniques are being revamped for the digital age. The discussion spans the future of social engineering, the increasing role of AI in security, and a few other fun bits.

    Guest:
    Rachel Tobac (LinkedIn) (Twitter / X) (Website)
    Books and References (Books are Amazon Associate Links and help support the show):


    KB4-CON 2024 Main Stage Sessions (Registration required)


    Deepfake scammer walks off with $25 million in first-of-its-kind AI heist, Ars Technica


    The Social Engineer's Playbook: A Practical Guide to Pretexting, by Jeremiah Talamantes


    The Art of Deception: Controlling the Human Element of Security, by Kevin Mitnick

    YouTube video: 60 minutes Here’s how I used AI to clone a 60 Minutes correspondent’s voice to trick a colleague


    YouTube video: It Was Easy to Hack a Billionaire


    YouTube video: Inside the Mind of an Ethical Hacker


    Perry's Books (Amazon Associate Links)


    Transformational Security Awareness: What Neuroscientists, Storytellers, and Marketers Can Teach Us About Driving Secure Behaviors, by Perry Carpenter


    The Security Culture Playbook: An Executive Guide To Reducing Risk and Developing Your Human Defense Layer by Perry Carpenter & Kai Roer

    Production Credits:
    Music and Sound Effects by Blue Dot Sessions, Envato Elements, & Storyblocks.
    Artwork by Chris Machowski @ https://www.RansomWear.net/ and Mia Rune @ https://www.MiaRune.com.
    8th Layer Insights theme music composed and performed by Marcos Moscat @ https://www.GameMusicTown.com/
    Want to get in touch with Perry? Here's how:

    LinkedIn

    Twitter

    Instagram

    Email: perry [at] 8thLayerMedia [dot] com

  • On this episode Perry sits down with Dr. Matthew Canham to explore ways in which AI can be weaponized against us, and how age old social engineering tactics can be used to trick large language models.

    Guest:
    Dr. Matthew Canham (LinkedIn) (Website)
    Books and References (Books are Amazon Associate Links and help support the show):

    Cognitive Security Institute YouTube Channel

    Cognitive Security Institute website

    YouTube video: BlackHat Presentation -- Me and My Evil Digital Twin: The Psychology of Human Exploitation by AI Assistants

    YouTube video: NEW AI Jailbreak Method SHATTERS GPT4, Claude, Gemini, LLaMA


    Not with a Bug, But with a Sticker: Attacks on Machine Learning Systems and What To Do About Them, by Ram Shankar Siva Kumar & Hyrum Anderson


    Six Thinking Hats, the de Bono Group


    Six Thinking Hats: Looking at Decision in Different Ways, MindTools


    AI + Six Thinking Hats, LifeArchitect.ai

    8Li Season 4, episode 10: Artificial Intelligence Insights & Oddities


    Perry's Books (Amazon Associate Links)


    Transformational Security Awareness: What Neuroscientists, Storytellers, and Marketers Can Teach Us About Driving Secure Behaviors, by Perry Carpenter


    The Security Culture Playbook: An Executive Guide To Reducing Risk and Developing Your Human Defense Layer by Perry Carpenter & Kai Roer


    Production Credits:
    Music and Sound Effects by Blue Dot Sessions, Envato Elements, & Storyblocks.
    Artwork by Chris Machowski @ https://www.RansomWear.net/ and Mia Rune @ https://www.MiaRune.com.
    8th Layer Insights theme music composed and performed by Marcos Moscat @ https://www.GameMusicTown.com/
    Want to get in touch with Perry? Here's how:

    LinkedIn

    Twitter

    Instagram

    Email: perry [at] 8thLayerMedia [dot] com

  • On this episode Perry sits down with Jeremy Treadwell, a people-first technologist and futurist, to get the lowdown on how a futurist approaches the world.

    Guest:
    Jeremy Treadwell (LinkedIn) (Twitter)

    Books and References (Books are Amazon Associate Links and help support the show):

    YouTube Video: What UX/UI Taught Me about Improving Security Awareness [SANS Security Awareness Summit 2022], Jeremy Treadwell

    YouTube Video: Reimagine the Future of Data, Privacy + Security with Technologist Jeremy Treadwell


    The Institute for the Future website


    Four Questions to Turn Everyone in Your Company Into a Futurist, FastCompany article


    How Does a Futurist See the Future, LinkedIn Article by Jacob Morgan


    The Black Swan: Second Edition: The Impact of the Highly Improbable: With a new section: "On Robustness and Fragility", by Nassim Nicholas Taleb


    The Gray Rhino: How to Recognize and Act on the Obvious Dangers We Ignore, by Michele Wucker


    William Gibson’s Future Is Now, Pagan Kennedy, the New York Times

    8Li Season 1, episode 8: The Risk Episode: Black Swans, Grey Rhinos, Angels & Demons


    Perry's Books (Amazon Associate Links)


    Transformational Security Awareness: What Neuroscientists, Storytellers, and Marketers Can Teach Us About Driving Secure Behaviors, by Perry Carpenter


    The Security Culture Playbook: An Executive Guide To Reducing Risk and Developing Your Human Defense Layer by Perry Carpenter & Kai Roer


    Production Credits:
    Music and Sound Effects by Blue Dot Sessions, Envato Elements, & Storyblocks.
    Artwork by Chris Machowski @ https://www.RansomWear.net/ and Mia Rune @ https://www.MiaRune.com.
    8th Layer Insights theme music composed and performed by Marcos Moscat @ https://www.GameMusicTown.com/
    Want to get in touch with Perry? Here's how:

    LinkedIn

    Twitter

    Instagram

    Email: perry [at] 8thLayerMedia [dot] com

  • Welcome to season 5 of 8th Layer Insights!
    To celebrate Valentine's Day, Perry sits down with Emmy winning reporter Kerry Tomlinson to talk about the time she turned the tables on a romance scammer.

    Guest:
    Kerry Tomlinson (LinkedIn) (Website) (YouTube)

    Books and References:

    YouTube video: Inside a romance scam: how to make a catfisher sing


    YouTube video: Scammers are stealing people's faces for live video calls


    National Cybersecurity Alliance : Online Romance and Dating Scams


    National Cybersecurity Alliance : Romance Scams Resource Kit


    Federal Trade Commission: Romance scammers’ favorite lies exposed


    Know Your Meme: On the Internet, Nobody Knows You're A Dog


    ‘NOBODY KNOWS YOU’RE A DOG’: As iconic Internet cartoon turns 20, creator Peter Steiner knows the joke rings as relevant as ever

    Wikipedia: On the Internet, nobody knows you're a dog



    Perry's Books (Amazon Associate Links)


    Transformational Security Awareness: What Neuroscientists, Storytellers, and Marketers Can Teach Us About Driving Secure Behaviors, by Perry Carpenter


    The Security Culture Playbook: An Executive Guide To Reducing Risk and Developing Your Human Defense Layer by Perry Carpenter & Kai Roer


    Production Credits:
    Music and Sound Effects by Blue Dot Sessions, Envato Elements, & Storyblocks.
    Artwork by Chris Machowski @ https://www.RansomWear.net/ and Mia Rune @ https://www.MiaRune.com.
    8th Layer Insights theme music composed and performed by Marcos Moscat @ https://www.GameMusicTown.com/
    Want to get in touch with Perry? Here's how:

    LinkedIn

    Twitter

    Instagram

    Email: perry [at] 8thLayerMedia [dot] com

  • On this episode, Perry celebrates the one year birthday of ChatGPT by taking a look at AI from technological, philosophical, and folkloric perspectives. We see how AI was formed based on human words and works, and how it can now shape the future of human legend and belief.
    Guests:



    Brandon Karpf, Vice President at N2K Networks (LinkedIn) (Website)



    Dr. Lynne S. McNeill, Associate Professor at Utah State University (LinkedIn) (Twitter)



    Dr. John Laudun, Professor at University of Louisiana at Lafayette (LinkedIn) (Twitter) (Website)



    Lev Gorelov, Research Director at Handshake Consulting (LinkedIn) (Twitter) (Website)



    Resources






    Interview with the AI, part one, by the Brandon Karpf / the CyberWire






    'Hard Fork': An Interview With Sam Altman, by The New York Times






    The Exciting, Perilous Journey Toward AGI, Ilya Sutskever TED Talk






    Ilya: the AI scientist shaping the world, by The Guardian






    Meet Loab, the AI Art Woman Haunting the Internet: Is she a demon? A Cryptid? Or nothing at all..., the Guardian






    In 2016, Microsoft’s Racist Chatbot Revealed the Dangers of Online Conversation The bot learned language from people on Twitter—but it also learned values, IEEE Spectrum



    Perry's Digital Folklore episode about AI






    Handshake's Generative AI Masterclass on Maven




    Perry's Books (Amazon Associate links)






    Transformational Security Awareness: What Neuroscientists, Storytellers, and Marketers Can Teach Us About Driving Secure Behaviors, by Perry Carpenter






    The Security Culture Playbook: An Executive Guide To Reducing Risk and Developing Your Human Defense Layer by Perry Carpenter & Kai Roer




    Be sure to check out Perry's other show, Digital Folklore. It's all about the oddities and importance of online culture. Head over to the show's website (https://digitalfolklore.fm/) to see our custom artwork, subscribe to the newsletter, shop for merch, support the show on Patreon, and more. Want to check out what others are saying? Here's some recent press about the show: https://digitalfolklore.fm/in-the-news.
    Production Credits:
    Music and Sound Effects by Blue Dot Sessions, Envato Elements, Storyblocks, & EpidemicSound.
    8Li cover art by Chris Machowski @ https://www.RansomWear.net/.
    8th Layer Insights theme music composed and performed by Marcos Moscat @ https://www.GameMusicTown.com/
    Want to get in touch with Perry? Here's how:



    LinkedIn



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    Email: perry [at] 8thLayerMedia [dot] com

  • Let's face it. Most of us have a love/hate relationship with technology and technological advances. We dream about the new thing... but when it arrives, we are usually a little disappointed. Many of us also lament the constant erosion of privacy, the changes in social norms, and more. And, little-by-little, we allow those aspects of new technology to make us numb. We accept the cognitive dissonance of not totally being happy with the trade-offs; yet we still make the trade.In this episode, we explore a few of the positives and some of the unintended consequences associated with recent technological advancements. We'll hear from Dr. Lydia, Kostopoulos, Dr. Charles Chaffin, Andra Zaharia, and Aaron Barr.Guests:Dr. Lydia Kostopoulos (LinkedIn) (Website)Dr. Charles Chaffin (LinkedIn) (Website)Andra Zaharia (LinkedIn) (Website)Aaron Barr (LinkedIn) (Website)Books and Resources:IEEE Article: Decoupling Human Characteristics from Algorithmic Capabilities by Dr. Lydia KostopoulosNumb: How the Information Age Dulls Our Senses and How We Can Get them Back by Dr. Charles Chaffin (Amazon Associate Links)The Numb Podcast by Dr. Charles ChaffinThe Cyber Empathy Podcast by Andra ZahariaReminder: Your 'smart AI' often involves a low-paid contractor surveilling youHow creepy is your smart speaker?Newton's Laws of MotionUnintended ConsequencesElon Musk's warning regarding AITransformational Security Awareness: What Neuroscientists, Storytellers, and Marketers Can Teach Us About Driving Secure Behaviors, by Perry Carpenter (Amazon Associate Link)Everything is Alive podcast by PRX and RadiotopiaProduction Credits:Additional voice talent provided by Kristina Leigh.Additional research by Nyla Gennaoui.Music and Sound Effects by Blue Dot Sessions, Envato Elements, & Storyblocks.Artwork by Chris Machowski @ https://www.RansomWear.net/ and Mia Rune @ https://www.MiaRune.com.8th Layer Insights theme music composed and performed by Marcos Moscat @ https://www.GameMusicTown.com/Want to get in touch with Perry? Here's how:LinkedInTwitterInstagramEmail: hello [at] 8thLayerMedia [dot] com

  • On today's show, Perry sits down with Rick Howard to discuss Rick's new book and the concept of "First Principles" as they apply in the domain of cybersecurity.
    Rick Howard is the CSO of N2K and the Chief Analyst, and Senior Fellow at the N2K Cyber, formerly CyberWire. His past lives include CSO at Palo Alto Networks, CISO at TASC, the GM at Verisign/iDefense, the Counterpane SOC Director, and the Commander of the Army's Computer Emergency Response Team (CERT). Rick served 25 years in the Army, taught computer science at West Point, and recently published , "Cybersecurity First Principles: A Reboot of Strategy and Tactics."

    Guest: Rick Howard (LinkedIn)

    Rick's book, podcasts, and other stuff


    Cybersecurity First Principles: A Reboot of Strategy and Tactics (Amazon Associate link)

    Promo video for Rick's Cybersecurity First Principles video course

    CSO Perspectives Podcast

    Word Notes


    Perry's Books (Amazon Associate links)


    Transformational Security Awareness: What Neuroscientists, Storytellers, and Marketers Can Teach Us About Driving Secure Behaviors, by Perry Carpenter


    The Security Culture Playbook: An Executive Guide To Reducing Risk and Developing Your Human Defense Layer by Perry Carpenter & Kai Roer


    Be sure to check out Perry's other show, Digital Folklore. It's all about the oddities and importance of online culture. Head over to the show's website (https://digitalfolklore.fm/) to see our custom artwork, subscribe to the newsletter, shop for merch, support the show on Patreon, and more. Want to check out what others are saying? Here's some recent press about the show: https://digitalfolklore.fm/in-the-news.
    Production Credits:
    Music and Sound Effects by Blue Dot Sessions, Envato Elements, Storyblocks, & EpidemicSound.
    8Li cover art by Chris Machowski @ https://www.RansomWear.net/.
    8th Layer Insights theme music composed and performed by Marcos Moscat @ https://www.GameMusicTown.com/
    Want to get in touch with Perry? Here's how:

    LinkedIn

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    Email: perry [at] 8thLayerMedia [dot] com

  • If you’ve been listening to this show for a while, you’ll know that we’ve touched on the topic of Open Source Intelligence (otherwise known as OSINT) several times. It is an area of information security that penetration testing that’s been getting quite a bit of attention over the past several years. When you think about the digital world we live in, where we have a proliferation of personal, organizational, and governmental data on the internet...and the simple fact that data likes to leak…we can safely predict that OSINT investigation techniques will continue to be in demand.
    On this episode, Perry sits down with Rae Baker. Rae is the author of the book Deep Dive: Exploring the Real-world Value of Open Source Intelligence, which was released in April of this year from Wiley publishing. In this discussion with Rae, you’ll hear a bit about her career pivot to OSINT specialist from being a graphic designer, how creativity fuels her job, advice for aspiring cybersecurity and OSINT professionals, and a lot more.


    Guest:
    Rae Baker (LinkedIn) (Twitter) (Website)

    Books and References:


    Deep Dive: Exploring the Real-world Value of Open Source Intelligence, by Rae Baker (Amazon Associate link)

    Kase Scenarios: https://kasescenarios.com/


    The OSINT Curious project

    TraceLabs

    YouTube Playlist from the 2022 SANS OSINT Summit


    YouTube video by The Cyber Mentor: Learn OSINT in 4.5 Hours


    Lockheed Martin Cyber Kill-Chain: https://www.lockheedmartin.com/en-us/capabilities/cyber/cyber-kill-chain.html



    Perry's Books (Amazon Associate Links)


    Transformational Security Awareness: What Neuroscientists, Storytellers, and Marketers Can Teach Us About Driving Secure Behaviors, by Perry Carpenter


    The Security Culture Playbook: An Executive Guide To Reducing Risk and Developing Your Human Defense Layer by Perry Carpenter & Kai Roer


    Production Credits:
    Music and Sound Effects by Blue Dot Sessions, Envato Elements, & Storyblocks.
    Artwork by Chris Machowski @ https://www.RansomWear.net/ and Mia Rune @ https://www.MiaRune.com.
    8th Layer Insights theme music composed and performed by Marcos Moscat @ https://www.GameMusicTown.com/
    Want to get in touch with Perry? Here's how:

    LinkedIn

    Twitter

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    Email: perry [at] 8thLayerMedia [dot] com

  • Listen in as Perry Carpenter & Dr. Jessica Barker present their joint session, "Conversational Security Awareness" at the SANS Managing Human Risk Summit. ... and stay tuned after the presentation for a quick conversation between Perry, Jessica, and Lance Spitzner (SANS) as they discuss themes from this year's event.
    Guests:

    Dr. Jessica Barker (LinkedIn) (Twitter)

    Jeremy Treadwell (LinkedIn) (Twitter)

    Lance Spitzner (LinkedIn) (Twitter)


    Additional Resources:

    Jessica Barker's great blog post summarizing this session

    Jessica Barker's 2020 RSA Keynote


    Related 8Li Episodes:

    8Li S1 E9: Security ABCs Part 1: Make Awareness Transformational

    8Li S1 E10: Security ABCs Part 2: 8th Layer Insights and the Quest for Security Culture

    8Li S2 E10: The Next Evolution of Security Awareness

    8Li S4 E3: Carrots, Sticks, and Culture: The Art and Science of Social Signaling

    8Li S4 E5: We are the Champions

    8Li S4 E6: Blending Awareness, Social Engineering, and Physical Penetration Testing -- A Conversation with Jayson E. Street


    Relevant Books (Amazon Associate Links)


    Confident Cyber Security: How to Get Started in Cyber Security and Futureproof Your Career, by Jessica Barker


    Cybersecurity ABCs: Delivering awareness, behaviours and culture change by Jessica Barker, Adrian Davis, Bruce Hallas, & Ciarán Mc Mahon


    Mixed Signals: How Incentives Really Work, by Uri Gneezy


    Security Awareness Program Builder: Practical guidelines for building your Information Security Awareness Program & prep guide for the Security Awareness and Culture Professional (SACP)™ by Mark Majewski


    Perry's Books (Amazon Associate Links)


    Transformational Security Awareness: What Neuroscientists, Storytellers, and Marketers Can Teach Us About Driving Secure Behaviors, by Perry Carpenter


    The Security Culture Playbook: An Executive Guide To Reducing Risk and Developing Your Human Defense Layer by Perry Carpenter & Kai Roer


    Production Credits:
    Music and Sound Effects by Blue Dot Sessions, Envato Elements, & Storyblocks.
    Artwork by Chris Machowski @ https://www.RansomWear.net/ and Mia Rune @ https://www.MiaRune.com.
    8th Layer Insights theme music composed and performed by Marcos Moscat @ https://www.GameMusicTown.com/

    Want to get in touch with Perry? Here's how:

    LinkedIn

    Twitter

    Instagram


    Email: hello [at] 8thLayerInsights [dot] com

  • On today's show, Perry sits down with Jayson E. Street to discuss his unique blend of social engineering, physical penetration testing, and security awareness. Jayson refers to this as being trained by a simulated adversary. At the heart of Jayson's method is intense boldness in his approach to social engineering and penetration testing coupled with an equally intense passion for helping his clients and their employees improve their overall security posture and mindsets. It's about education rather than exploitation.
    Guest: Jayson E. Street (LinkedIn) (Twitter) (Website)

    YouTube videos of Jayson

    2022 Saintcon: Hacker Striptease

    Tomorrow Unlocked: Penetration tester Jayson E. Street helps banks by hacking them

    Risks & Reels: Who's a Hacker?


    Jasyon's book (Amazon Associate link)
    Dissecting the Hack: The V3rb0t3n Network

    Perry's Books (Amazon Associate links)


    Transformational Security Awareness: What Neuroscientists, Storytellers, and Marketers Can Teach Us About Driving Secure Behaviors, by Perry Carpenter


    The Security Culture Playbook: An Executive Guide To Reducing Risk and Developing Your Human Defense Layer by Perry Carpenter & Kai Roer


    Be sure to check out Perry's other show, Digital Folklore. It's all about the oddities and importance of online culture. Head over to the show's website (https://digitalfolklore.fm/) to see our custom artwork, subscribe to the newsletter, shop for merch, support the show on Patreon, and more. Want to check out what others are saying? Here's some recent press about the show: https://digitalfolklore.fm/in-the-news. Season 2 starts September 4, 2023.
    Production Credits:
    Music and Sound Effects by Blue Dot Sessions, Envato Elements, Storyblocks, & EpidemicSound.
    8Li cover art by Chris Machowski @ https://www.RansomWear.net/.
    8th Layer Insights theme music composed and performed by Marcos Moscat @ https://www.GameMusicTown.com/
    Want to get in touch with Perry? Here's how:

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    Email: perry [at] 8thLayerMedia [dot] com

  • Hey all! I'm at BlackHat and Defcon this week. If you're there, track me down. I'd love to meet you!This week's episode is an encore of one of my favorites. My interview with James Linton (a.k.a. The Email Prankster). In 2017, James went on a virtual joyride exploiting the ways that people interact with emails. One of the most interesting things about James' story is that his exploits didn't rely on any type of highly technical method(s); they were simple display name deceptions. But that didn't stop him from fooling CEOs from some of the worlds largest banks, celebrities, and high ranking staff members in the White House.James' success using these simple methods serves as a warning for us all. We don't fall for scams because they are technically sophisticated or because we are stupid. We fall for scams because we are human.Guest: James Linton (LinkedIn) (Website)Books and Resources:Anatomy Of An Email Impersonation Spree: Who Got Pranked And WhyAn email prankster is hitting the CEOs of the world's biggest banksHow to Prank the Rich and Powerful Without Really TryingMorgan Stanley CEO James Gorman falls for email prankThis Man Pranked Eric Trump And Harvey Weinstein — Now He Just Wants A JobMedia Coverage YouTube PlaylistJames Linton -- Wikipedia EntryThe Journal of Best Practices: A Memoir of Marriage, Asperger Syndrome, and One Man's Quest to Be a Better Husband by David FinchPerry -- Interview on Springbrook's Converge Autism RadioPerry -- Security Weekly InterviewPerry Carpenter - The Aspies Guide to Social Engineering - DEF CON 27 Social Engineering VillageTransformational Security Awareness: What Neuroscientists, Storytellers, and Marketers Can Teach Us About Driving Secure Behaviors, by Perry CarpenterThe Security Culture Playbook: An Executive Guide To Reducing Risk and Developing Your Human Defense Layer by Perry Carpenter & Kai RoerProduction Credits:Music and Sound Effects by Blue Dot Sessions, Envato Elements, & Storyblocks.Artwork by Chris Machowski @ https://www.RansomWear.net/ and Mia Rune @ https://www.MiaRune.com.8th Layer Insights theme music composed and performed by Marcos Moscat @ https://www.GameMusicTown.com/Want to get in touch with Perry? Here's how:LinkedInTwitterInstagramEmail: hello [at] 8thLayerInsights [dot] com

  • There has been a lot of buzz for the past few years about the benefits and importance of establishing security champions programs. These are groups of people in your organization who become vital, responsible, and proactive contributing evangelists to the security culture of your organization. I often refer to them as "culture carriers." And, while there is general agreement that these are good programs to have, establishing them is currently a bit of a dark art.
    On today's show, Perry sits down with Sarah Janes of Layer 8 security to discuss the importance of champion programs and tease out a few best practices.

    Guest: Sarah Janes (LinkedIn) (Twitter) (Website)

    Perry's Books (Amazon Associate links)


    Transformational Security Awareness: What Neuroscientists, Storytellers, and Marketers Can Teach Us About Driving Secure Behaviors, by Perry Carpenter


    The Security Culture Playbook: An Executive Guide To Reducing Risk and Developing Your Human Defense Layer by Perry Carpenter & Kai Roer


    Be sure to check out Perry's other show, Digital Folklore. It's all about the oddities and importance of online culture. Head over to the show's website (https://digitalfolklore.fm/) to see our custom artwork, subscribe to the newsletter, shop for merch, support the show on Patreon, and more. Want to check out what others are saying? Here's some recent press about the show: https://digitalfolklore.fm/in-the-news

    Production Credits:
    Music and Sound Effects by Blue Dot Sessions, Envato Elements, Storyblocks, & EpidemicSound.
    8Li cover art by Chris Machowski @ https://www.RansomWear.net/.
    8th Layer Insights theme music composed and performed by Marcos Moscat @ https://www.GameMusicTown.com/
    Want to get in touch with Perry? Here's how:

    LinkedIn

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    Email: perry [at] 8thLayerMedia [dot] com

  • On this episode, Perry sits down with Chad Peterson, Managing Director at NetSPI, to discuss the importance of penetration testing. We touch on aspects of social engineering, discussing complex security issues with Boards of Directors, the prevalence of Ransomware, and some of the unique challenges facing the healthcare industry.

    Guest: Chad Peterson (LinkedIn) (Twitter)

    Books & References (Books are Amazon Associate links)


    CISO Desk Reference Guide: A Practical Guide for CISOs by Bill Bonney, Gary Hayslip, & Matt Stamper


    Penetration Testing: A Hands-On Introduction to Hacking by Georgia Weidman 


    Practical Social Engineering: A Primer for the Ethical Hacker by Joe Gray


    Ransomware Protection Playbook by Roger Grimes


    The Smartest Person in the Room: The Root Cause and New Solution for Cybersecurity by Christian Espinosa


    Perry's Books (Amazon Associate links)


    Transformational Security Awareness: What Neuroscientists, Storytellers, and Marketers Can Teach Us About Driving Secure Behaviors, by Perry Carpenter


    The Security Culture Playbook: An Executive Guide To Reducing Risk and Developing Your Human Defense Layer by Perry Carpenter & Kai Roer


    Perry's new show, Digital Folklore kicked-off Jan 16, 2023. It's all about the oddities and importance of online culture. Check out the website (https://digitalfolklore.fm/) to see our custom artwork, subscribe to the newsletter, check out our merch, Patreon, and more. Want to check out what others are saying? Here's some recent press about the show: https://digitalfolklore.fm/in-the-news

    Production Credits:
    Music and Sound Effects by Blue Dot Sessions, Envato Elements, Storyblocks, & EpidemicSound.
    8Li cover art by Chris Machowski @ https://www.RansomWear.net/.
    8th Layer Insights theme music composed and performed by Marcos Moscat @ https://www.GameMusicTown.com/

    Want to get in touch with Perry? Here's how:

    LinkedIn

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    Email: perry [at] 8thLayerMedia [dot] com

  • On this episode, what cybersecurity professionals need to understand about how social signaling and incentives really work.
    Today's episode features a conversation with Uri Gneezy. In the field of cybersecurity, we are very interested in identifying proactive and positive ways to encourage the behavior we want. That's where Uri comes in. Uri is a well-known behavioral economist and professor of economics and strategy in the Rady School of Management at the University of California at San Diego.
    Most of us recognize that many of our behaviors, beliefs, and values are caught rather than taught. So, if you are interested in developing a positive security culture in your workplace, then it’s important to understand the dynamics of how people both receive and signal their security-related beliefs and values so that associated behaviors become a natural result.
    Listen in as Perry sits down with Uri to discuss key findings from Uri's new book, Mixed Signals: How Incentives Really Work. This is a fascinating deep dive into Uri’s research that has immediate applicability for anyone needing to design programs that work with, rather than against, human nature.

    Guest: Uri Gneezy (LinkedIn) (Twitter) (Website)

    Books & References (Books are Amazon Associate links)


    Mixed Signals: How Incentives Really Work, by Uri Gneezy



    The Why Axis: Hidden Motives and the Undiscovered Economics of Everyday Life by Uri Gneezy & John List


    Perry's Books (Amazon Associate links)


    Transformational Security Awareness: What Neuroscientists, Storytellers, and Marketers Can Teach Us About Driving Secure Behaviors, by Perry Carpenter


    The Security Culture Playbook: An Executive Guide To Reducing Risk and Developing Your Human Defense Layer by Perry Carpenter & Kai Roer


    Perry's new show, Digital Folklore kicked-off Jan 16, 2023. It's all about the oddities and importance of online culture. Check out the website (https://digitalfolklore.fm/) to see our custom artwork, subscribe to the newsletter, check out our merch, Patreon, and more. Want to check out what others are saying? Here's some recent press about the show: https://digitalfolklore.fm/in-the-news

    Production Credits:
    Music and Sound Effects by Blue Dot Sessions, Envato Elements, Storyblocks, & EpidemicSound.
    8Li cover art by Chris Machowski @ https://www.RansomWear.net/.
    8th Layer Insights theme music composed and performed by Marcos Moscat @ https://www.GameMusicTown.com/
    Want to get in touch with Perry? Here's how:

    LinkedIn

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    Email: perry [at] 8thLayerMedia [dot] com