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Henrik Plate joins us to discuss the OWASP Top 10 Open Source Risks, a guide highlighting critical security and operational challenges in using open source dependencies. The list includes risks like known vulnerabilities, compromised legitimate packages, name confusion attacks, and unmaintained software, providing developers and organizations a framework to assess and mitigate potential threats. Henrik offers insights on how developers and AppSec professionals can implement the guidelines. Our discussion also includes the need for a dedicated open-source risk list, and the importance of addressing known vulnerabilities, unmaintained projects, immature software, and more.
The OWASP Top 10 Open Source RisksFOLLOW OUR SOCIAL MEDIA:
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Security expert Tanya Janca discusses her new book "Alice and Bob Learn Secure Coding" and shares insights on making security accessible to developers. In this engaging conversation, she explores how security professionals can better connect with developers through threat modeling, maintaining empathy, and creating inclusive learning environments. Tanya emphasizes the importance of system maintenance after deployment and shares practical advice on input validation, while highlighting how security teams can build better relationships with development teams by avoiding arrogance and embracing collaboration.
Tanya’s new book: Alice & Bob Learn Secure Coding
Three Individuals that Tanya would like to introduce to you:
Confidence Staveley https://confidencestaveley.com/
Rana Khalil https://www.linkedin.com/in/ranakhalil1
Laura Bell Main https://www.laurabellmain.com/
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Mehran Koushkebaghi, a seasoned engineering expert, delves into the intricacies of systemic security. He draws parallels between civil engineering and IT systems, and explains the importance of holistic thinking in security design. Discover the difference between semantic and syntactic vulnerabilities and understand how anti-requirements play a critical role in system resilience. This episode offers fresh perspectives on application security.
Books recommended by Mehran:
Critical System Thinking Book by Mike Jackson
The Fifth Discipline by Peter Senge
Understanding Complexity on Audible read by Scott E Page
Nassim Taleb books
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Kalyani Pawar shares critical strategies for integrating security early and effectively in AppSec for startups. She recommends that startups begin focusing on AppSec around the 30-employee mark, with an ideal ratio of one AppSec professional per 10 engineers as the company grows. Pawar emphasizes the importance of building a security culture through "culture as code" - implementing automated guardrails and checkpoints that make security an integral part of the development process. She advises startups to prioritize visibility into their systems, conduct pentests, develop thoughtful policies, and carefully vet third-party tools and open-source solutions. Ultimately, Pawar's approach is about making security a collaborative, integrated effort that doesn't impede innovation but instead supports the startup's long-term success and safety.
Kalyani’s Book recommendation:
The Alignment Problem by Brian Christian
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Milan Williams discusses the importance of application security metrics and how to make them both meaningful and actionable. She explains that metrics are crucial for tracking progress in what can often feel like an overwhelming security landscape, and they're valuable for career advancement and securing resources. We discuss metrics categories and several specific metrics that are good to track. Milan shares important principles on the importance of making metrics actionable through storytelling and relating security impacts to real-world consequences for users.
Milan's Book Recommendation:
Quiet Influence: The Introvert’s Guide to Making a Difference by Jennifer Kahnweiler
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Mo Sadek shares his unique journey of building an Application Security program from scratch at Roblox. Mo discusses his unconventional path, including temporarily joining the infrastructure team to truly understand engineering challenges. He emphasizes that security isn't about mandating rules, but about making processes easier and more secure by default. Mo shares his insights on how to build effective cross-team security relationships and approaches for gaining leadership buy-in.
Mo's Book Recommendation: I Have No Mouth and I Must Scream by Harlan EllisonFOLLOW OUR SOCIAL MEDIA:
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Brett Crawley discusses the Elevation of Privilege (EoP) card game, a powerful tool for threat modeling in software development. The discussion explores recent extensions to the game including privacy-focused suits and TRIM (Transfer, Retention/Removal, Inference, Minimization) categories. Crawley emphasizes that threat modeling shouldn't end with the game but should be an ongoing process throughout an application's lifecycle, ideally starting before implementation. He also shares insights from his book, which provides detailed examples and guidance for teams new to threat modeling using EoP.
You can find Brett on X @brettcrawleyBrett’s book:
Threat Modeling Gameplay with EoP: A reference manual for spotting threats in software architectureBook recommendation:
Conscious Business by Fred KofmanFOLLOW OUR SOCIAL MEDIA:
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Matin Mavaddat discusses his perspective on security as a systemic concern, developed from his background in requirements engineering and systems architecture. He introduces the concept of "anti-requirements" - defining what a system should not do - and distinguishes between "syntactic security" (addressing technical vulnerabilities that are always incorrect) and "semantic security" (context-dependent security emerging from system interactions). Mavaddat shares his perspective that security itself doesn't have independent existence but rather emerges from preventing undesirable states. The discussion concludes with practical implementation strategies, suggesting that while automated tools can handle syntactic security issues, organizations should focus more energy on semantic security by understanding business context and defining anti-requirements early in the development process.
Mentioned in this episode:
Matin’s article: Reframing Security: Unveiling Power Anti-Requirements
Systems Thinking for Curious Managers by Russell Ackoff
Antifragile by Nassim Nicholas Taleb
The Black Swan by Nassim Nicholas Taleb
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Kayra Otaner joins the podcast today to discuss DevSecOps and answer the question, is it dead? Kayra is the Director of DevSecOps at Roche and is highly involved in the DevSecOps community. Kayra states that DevSecOps in its traditional form is “dead” and that each organization should approach its needs based on their size. Otaner introduces the concept of "security as code" and "policy as code" as more effective approaches, where security functions are codified rather than relying on traditional documentation and checklists. Finally, they discuss the emergence of Application Security Posture Management (ASPM) tools as the "SIM for AppSec," suggesting these tools, especially when enhanced with AI, could help manage the overwhelming number of security alerts and issues that currently plague development teams.
Mentioned in this Episode:
Books by Yuval Noah HarariFOLLOW OUR SOCIAL MEDIA:
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François Proulx shares his discovery of security vulnerabilities in build pipelines. Francois has found that attackers can exploit this often overlooked side of the software supply chain. To help address this, his team developed an open source scanner called Poutine that can identify vulnerable build pipelines at scale and provide remediation guidance. Francois has over 10 years of experience in building application security programs, he’s also the founder of the NorthSec conference in Montreal.
Mentioned in the Episode:
Cooking for Geeks by Jeff Potter
Poutine
Living Off the Pipeline project
Grand Theft Actions Abusing Self Hosted GitHub Runners - Adnan Khan and John StawinskiWhere to find Francois:
LinkedIn
X: @francoisproulxPrevious Episodes:
François Proulx -- Actionable Software Supply Chain SecurityFOLLOW OUR SOCIAL MEDIA:
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Steve Wilson, the author of 'The Developer's Playbook for Large Language Model Security’ is back to dive into topics from his book like AI hallucinations, trust, and the future of AI. Steve has been at the forefront of the explosion of activity at the intersection of AppSec, LLM, and AI. We discuss the biggest fears surrounding LLMs and AI, and explore advanced concepts like Retrieval Augmented Generation and prompt injection.
Links:
The Developer’s Playbook for Large Language Model Security by Steve WilsonFind Steve on LinkedIn
Previous Episodes:
Steve Wilson -- OWASP Top Ten for LLMs
Steve Wilson and Gavin Klondike -- OWASP Top Ten for LLM Applications Release
Two people Steve recommends you look up:
Chris Voss, Former FBI Negotiator and author of “Never Split the Difference”Arshan Dabirsiaghi
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Jeff Williams, a renowned pioneer in the field of application security is with us to discuss Application Detection and Response (ADR), detailing its potential to revolutionize security in production environments. Jeff shares stories from his career, including the founding of OWASP, and his take on security assurance. We cover many topics including; security assurance, life, basketball and plenty of AppSec as well.
Where to find Jeff:
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/planetlevel/Previous Episodes:
Jeff Williams – The Tech of Runtime SecurityJeff Williams – The History of OWASP
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Philip Wiley shares his unique journey from professional wrestling to being a renowned pen tester. We define pen testing and the role of social engineering in ethical hacking. We talk tools of the trade, share a favorite web app pentest hack and offer good advice on starting a career in cybersecurity. Philip shares some insights from his book, ‘The Pentester Blueprint: Starting a Career as an Ethical Hacker.’ And we discuss the impact of AI on pen testing and where this field is headed in the next few years.
The Pentester Blueprint Starting a Career as an Ethical Hacker written by Phillip Wylie
The Web Application Hacker’s Handbook written by Dafydd Stuttard, Marcus Pinto
Where to find Phillip:Website: https://thehackermaker.com/
Podcast: https://phillipwylieshow.com/
X: https://x.com/PhillipWylie
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Steve Springett, an expert in secure software development and a key figure in several OWASP projects is back. Steve unpacks CycloneDX and the value proposition of various BOMs. He gives us a rundown of the BOM landscape and unveils some new BOM projects that will continue to unify the security industry. Steve is a seasoned guest of the show so we learn a bit more about Steve's hobbies, providing a personal glimpse into his life outside of technology.
Links from this episode:
https://cyclonedx.org/Previous episodes with Steve Springett:
JC Herz and Steve Springett -- SBOMs and software supply chain assuranceSteve Springett — An insiders checklist for Software Composition Analysis
Steve Springett -- Dependency Check and Dependency Track
Book:
Software Transparency: Supply Chain Security in an Era of a Software-Driven Society by Chris Hughes and Tony TurnerFOLLOW OUR SOCIAL MEDIA:
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Irfaan Santoe joins us for an in-depth discussion on the power of strategy in Application Security. We delve into measuring AppSec maturity, return on investment, and communicating technical needs to business leaders. Irfaan shares his unique journey from consulting to becoming an AppSec professional, and addresses the gaps between CISOs and AppSec knowledge. Irfaan shares valuable insights for scaling AppSec programs and aligning them with business objectives.
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Andrew Van Der Stok, a leading web application security specialist and executive director at OWASP joins us for this episode. We discuss the latest with the OWASP Top 10 Project, the importance of data collection, and the need for developer engagement. Andrew gives us the methodology behind building the OWASP Top 10, the significance of framework security, and much more.
Previous episodes with Andrew Van Der Stock
Andrew van der Stock — Taking Application Security to the Masses
Andrew van der Stock and Brian Glas -- The Future of the OWASP Top 10
Books mentioned in the episode:
The Crown Road by Iain Banks
Edward TufteFOLLOW OUR SOCIAL MEDIA:
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Derek Fisher, an expert in hardware, software, and cybersecurity with over 25 years of experience is back on the podcast. Derek shares his advice on cybersecurity hiring, specifically in application security, and dives into the challenges of entry-level roles in the industry. We discuss the value of certifications, the necessity of lifelong learning, and the importance of networking. Listen along for good advice on getting noticed in cybersecurity, resume tips, and the evolving landscape of AppSec careers.
Mentioned in this episode:
The Application Security Handbook by Derek Fisher
With the Old Breed by E.B. Sledge
Cyber for Builders by Ross Haleliuk
Effective Vulnerability Management by Chris Hughes
Previous episode:
Derek Fisher – The Application Security HandbookFOLLOW OUR SOCIAL MEDIA:
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Tanya Janka, also known as SheHacksPurple, discusses secure guardrails, the difference between guardrails and paved roads, and how to implement both in application security. Tanya is an award-winning public speaker and head of education at SEMGREP and the best-selling author of ‘Alice and Bob Learn Application Security’. Tanya shares her insights on creating secure software and teaching developers in this episode.
Mentioned in this episode:
Tanya Janca – What Secure Coding Really Means
Tanya Janca – Mentoring Monday - 5 Minute AppSec
Tanya Janca and Nicole Becher – Hacking APIs and Web Services with DevSlop
The Expanse Series by James S.A. Corey
Alice and Bob Learn Application Security by Tanya Janca
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Jahanzeb Farooq discusses his journey in cybersecurity and the challenges of building AppSec programs from scratch. Jahanzeb shares his experience working in various industries, including Siemens, Novo Nordisk, and Danske Bank, highlighting the importance of understanding developer needs and implementing the right tools. The conversation covers the complexities of cybersecurity in the pharmaceutical and financial sectors, shedding light on regulatory requirements and the role of software in critical industries. Learn about prioritizing security education, threat modeling, and navigating digital transformation.
Mentioned in this Episode:
The Power of Habit by Charles Duhigg
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David Quisenberry shares about his journey into the security world, insights on building AppSec programs in small to mid-sized companies, and the importance of data-driven decision-making. The conversation delves into the value of mentoring and why it's important to build real relationships with the people you work with, the vital role of trust with engineering teams, and the significance of mental health and community in the industry.
Books Shared in the Episode:
SRE Engineering by Betsy Beyer, Chris Jones, Jennifer Petoff and Niall Richard Murphy
The Phoenix Project by Gene Kim, Kevin Behr and George Spafford
Security Chaos Engineering by Aaron Rinehart and Kelly Shortridge
CISO Desk Reference Guide by Bill Bonney, Gary Hayslip, Matt Stamper
Wiring the Winning Organization by Gene Kim and Dr. Steven J. Spear
The Body Keeps the Score by Bessel van der Kolk, M.D.
Intelligence Driven Incident Response by Rebekah Brown and Scott J. Roberts
Never Eat Alone by Keith Ferrazzi
Thinking Fast and Slow by Daniel Kahneman
Do Hard Things by Steve Magness
How Leaders Create and Use Networks, Whitepaper by Herminia Ibarra and Mark Lee HunterFOLLOW OUR SOCIAL MEDIA:
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