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In this episode of Chance Conversations, Conor and I interview Shoshana Rosenberg, co-founder of Logical AI Governance and co-founder of Women in AI Governance.
Good Bosses Can Guide Us: We kick off by touching on significant career influences in Shoshanaâs life, including what she has learned from supportive, inspiring leaders who let her take chances outside of what was listed on the job spec. We then discuss one of Shoshanaâs many passions: operationalizing AI governance and her PRISM framework, as well as her passion for fostering an inclusive AI community.
DEI, Digital Agency & Explainability: Shoshana discusses her journey, including the founding of SafePorter, a DEI tool suite with a privacy-by-design approach, and the importance in recognizing a right of âdigital agencyâ when it comes to personal information and data.
For Shoshana, digital agency is interlinked with explainability, particularly with regards to AI and algorithmic decision making. Here we discuss the distinctions between technical âexplainabilityâ or understandability (like the model weights, data provenance & architecture), versus explainability when it comes to context, controls, and the decision-making processes that models undertake.
On Writing a Book: Did you know Shoshana wants to write a book? According to Conorâs mom, âwe all have at least one book in usâ, but in the case of Shoshana, I suspect sheâs actually going to write that book (or books). We even mused about a collaborative fiction book with other privacy pros, which sounds like fun. Maybe I can write a cat-privacy themed haiku?
On Fear, Bravery, Trust and Taking Risks: Shoshana offers some sage advice to a younger version of herself about not being afraid to go after things, even if itâs not the ideal (or initial) path you expected. Then she turns the question back on us! We also talk about trust, and what bravery means in many different contexts. It gets very philosophical, yâall.
AI Governance & Recycled Air: She offers insights into the future of AI governance, what it means to her, and the pernicious problem of ârecycled airâ â where people fall back to saying and relying on the comfortable and familiar, rather than taking a bold stance or saying something genuinely unique or different. As Shoshana reminds us âWeâre in the Mining Eraâ â and no, weâre not talking about gold or crypto.
Finally on to Low Tech Problems, Solutions, and Back to Trust: We end with a brief discussion of the importance of handling low-tech problems (aka, we should be worried less about Terminator AI, and more about social engineering), and the value of low-tech solutions. There may, or may not be a product plug here, but we do go back to the all-important question of trust.
It was a great conversation, and we had a wonderful time chatting with Shoshana. Also, Iâd be remiss if I didnât mention that I recently had the opportunity to take Shoshanaâs excellent August AI Leadership bootcamp. Shoshana ran us through the paces, where we learned the value of logical frameworks, including her companyâs signature LEARN and PRISM methodologies. Shoshanaâs courses are vibrant, interactive, and delightfully intimate course, and one I highly recommend to other AI leaders (or those looking to become AI leaders!). Youâll learn a lot, though I suspect itâs a small tip of the huge iceberg of knowledge that Shoshana has.
Timeline:
* 00:00 Introduction and Guest Welcome
* 00:22 Shoshana's Background and Achievements
* 00:41 Women in AI Governance
* 01:01 SafePorter and Privacy by Design
* 02:00 Ground Rules for the Conversation
* 03:49 Career Highlights and Mentorship
* 10:04 Personal Goals and Writing a Book
* 12:23 Future of Technology and AI Governance
* 17:18 Explainability vs. Understandability
* 20:31 Advice to our Younger Selves
* 21:01 Navigating Career Paths: Trusting the Journey
* 22:21 Embracing Risks and Learning from Mistakes
* 23:18 The Importance of Trust and Vulnerability
* 24:16 The Role of Cynicism and Trust in Professional Life
* 25:48 Personal Growth and Self-Trust
* 28:27 The Value of Diverse Perspectives
* 31:13 Underhyped Aspects of Technology and Security
* 35:45 Final Thoughts and Reflections
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Welcome to another thrilling episode of Chance Conversations!
In this episode, Conor and I sit down with the dynamic Lisa Forte, a partner at Red Goat Cybersecurity and an awe-inspiring high-altitude climber and caver.
Lisa shares her mountain (get it?) of insights on cybersecurity, personal adventures, and life lessons that will leave you inspired, contemplative, and a little jealous (I know I was).
A little about Lisa: Lisa is not your average cybersecurity expert. Beyond her role at Red Goat Cybersecurity, where she runs cyber crisis simulations and awareness courses, Lisa is an accomplished mountain climber and caver. Her exploits have taken her to some of the world's highest peaks and most exotic locations, and she has starred in several documentaries while regularly contributing to BBC news and national papers.
Navigating High-Stakes Environments: In a light-hearted yet profound moment, Lisa captures the essence of balancing perfectionism and humility. She shared how her type-A personality has evolved to make her a better consultant and person, by leveraging the positives of getting things right, while simultaneously putting her ego to the side and really listening to client and business needs. Even if their right and her right donât match.
As the sole professed Type B in the conversation, Conor really appreciated the humility angle.
Adventures in the Central Asian 'Stans: Lisa also drew perhaps, one of the best questions in the bunch for a jet-setter such as herself â Whatâs one part of the world she would love to visit but hasnât yet. If you want to find out where sheâs been (and where she hopes to go soon), youâll have to tune in.
Hint: This countryâs landmass is known for its mountainous terrain and breathtaking landscapes. Also, the Pallasâ cat, a famous wildcat in the area, has been celebrated on a postage stamp.
But she also reminds us that her travels are not just leisure but also about practicing resilience in daily life, broadening her perspectives, and connecting to others who have diverse cultural and societal viewpoints.
Lisaâs Most Impactful Person: Lisa shared her thoughts on how an impactful science teacher early on shaped who she was and helped her find a place. We all then spent a good bit of time reminiscing over why we each found value through special science teachers in our lives.
A Brush with Mortality: One of the most impactful moments in the conversation was Lisa's recount of a life-altering accident she had a decade ago. The severe brain injury she sustained caused her to reassess her approach to life, imbuing her with a 'seize-the-day' mentality. This experience has propelled her to live fully and fearlessly, urging others to embrace life's opportunities without delay.
One of those take-aways? Focus more on the actual experience, and less on taking a selfie of you in the experience.
Final Thoughts: As the episode wrapped up, Lisa threw a thought-provoking question back to us:
"If you could see one thing happen in our industry in the next year, what would it be?"
Letâs just say, we had some thoughts. Though none of them were quite as profound as what Lisa had to share.
In short, whether you're interested in cybersecurity, personal development, or thrilling travel tales, this interview has something for everyone.
Timeline:
* 00:00 Welcome and Guest Introduction
* 01:36 Explaining the Rules of the Game
* 03:20 Career Insights: Lisa's Comparative Advantage
* 09:10 Personal Questions: Dream Destinations and Travel Stories
* 15:55 Industry Trends: Overhyped Technologies
* 24:00 Career Reflections: Influential Figures
* 24:59 A Teacher's Influence
* 28:36 A Life-Changing Accident
* 30:53 Living in the Moment
* 36:23 The Importance of Redundancy
* 40:35 Final Thoughts and Reflections
PS: our next episode, where we'll chat with the remarkable Shoshana Rosenberg, co-founder of Logical AI Governance. Catch you next time on Chance Conversations!
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Ever wondered how an idea can snowball into something incredible?
I honestly think thatâs exactly what happened with our new podcast, Chance Conversations.
In our inaugural episode, we had the honor of speaking with the legendary Ralph O'Brien, principal of Renbo Consulting Limited and a visiting fellow at Maastricht University. With decades of experience in global privacy and security compliance, heâs seen it all, and lived to tell the tale.
We kicked off with Ralph playfully questioning the "chance" aspect of our conversation, and once we put his mind at ease, Ralph shared his insightful views on how policymakers often ignore the voice of data protection pros before diving into how special the data protection and privacy community really is. Right back atcha, Ralph.
Perhaps one of the most inspiring moments came when discussing career advice. Ralphâs dedication to mentoring the new generation of data protection professionals clearly shines through and really made Conor and I smile. As Ralph wisely said:
If I can get paid for doing something that I find morally and ethically good, my motto, if you like, what I'd written on my gravestone is hopefully Iâm somebody who made a difference.
And that's really all I want.
For those who love a bit of existential pondering, Ralph even shared his thoughts on predetermination vs random chance. I told you this podcast would be like having a chat with an old friend!
We even dove into some playful banter about his recent London meetup (which was looking to draw quite a motley crew of folks in the English data protection and privacy scene). Let us know in the comments if you were able to attend.
Curious to hear more about Ralph's take on technology's role in data protection, his candid thoughts on the profession, or what fuels his passion? Tune in to our very first episode and join us in celebrating those unforeseen, yet deeply meaningful conversations. Conor and I have both learned so much from Ralph (and our other amazing guests) and we hope you will also benefit.
Transcript Timeline:
* 00:18 Meet Ralph O'Brien: Privacy and Security Expert
* 01:05 Explaining the Rules of the Game
* 01:28 Industry Trends and Insights: Data Protection Challenges
* 09:27 Career Observations: Ralph's Journey and Advice
* 18:29 Personal Questions: Existential Views and Beliefs
* 22:56 Artificial Intelligence: Hype, Reality, and Future
* 26:29 The Role of AI in Our Lives
* 26:43 Tech Bros and Black Mirror
* 27:26 AI's Present and Future Impact
* 28:49 Creativity and AI: A Complex Relationship
* 30:25 The Human Spark of Creativity
* 31:52 The Hero's Journey and Patterns in Storytelling
* 32:55 Mentorship and Community in Data Protection
* 39:08 Personal Reflections and Advice
* 43:39 Conclusion and Farewell
By the way, weâve got more coming up. Stay tuned for our next episode featuring the incredible Lisa Forte of Red Goat Cybersecurity. Until then, happy listening!
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A few months ago, a dear friend and colleague (Conor Hogan) and I were musing about creating a podcast. We waffled on concepts for months, but nothing really stuck.
That is, until I came across the amazing Wild Card podcast hosted by Rachel Martin. The premise is novel: Rachel interviews some of the worldâs greatest artists, thinkers, actors, and musicians, and asks guests to pick a card across three categories. Neither she, nor the guest know the question on that card, but itâs always interesting. What makes this fun is that itâs so unscripted â so raw and real.
When I heard this, I realized this would be a brilliant vehicle for interviewing people within the data protection, information security, AI, tech and adjacent spaces. Conor loved it, and so far, all six of the guests weâve interviewed have also really enjoyed this strange experience into the slightly unknown.
Our podcast is a bit less existential, but it sill maintains the serendipity and opportunity to learn about people we might know in the industry or online, in a format thatâs quite different than most podcasts.
Conor and I have been learning a lot from our guests, and over the next few months, weâll be sharing these âChance Conversationsâ with you.
Like us, I hope you enjoy listening. Hereâs a teaser episode.
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