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  • Episode 110. In this conversation, Kate sits down with author Bonnie Tsui to talk about her new book On Muscle: The Stuff that Moves Us and Why It Matters. This episode explores themes of strength, resilience, and the interplay between the physical and the philosophical. Kate and Bonnie have a wide ranging discussion that spans the metaphor and biology of muscle, how death brings us into the present, and the joy found in movement and play. They touch on how strength is also about what moves us, not just physically, but socially, touching on the importance of collective movement and community resilience. It’s an exploration into how physical activities can foster connection and healing. They also delve into the science behind movement, the significance of finding connection in everyday life, and the power of incremental change in personal strength. The conversation concludes with a light-hearted discussion about whales, joy, and the connections we share with nature.

    Find Bonnie: 

    Instagram: @bonnietsui8

    Website

    On Muscle: The Stuff that Moves Us and Why It Matters

    Sarah and the Big Wave

    Why We Swim

    American Chinatown

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    Best of Movement Focused Episodes:

    Episode 94: An Ecology of Movement with Katy Bowman 

    Episode 109: We Can Pick Up and Carry Heavy Loads: Exploring Movement in Context with Kate Kavanaugh

    Episode 64: One Foot in Front of the Other with Kate Kavanaugh

    Episode 77: Our Relationship to Resources with Kate Kavanaugh

    Episode 54: Staying Human is the Greatest Skill with Daniel Vitalis

  • Episode 109. In this episode, I (Kate Kavanaugh) reflect on my personal journey with movement from a practical and philosophical standpoint all while weaving it into some of the bigger themes that we’ve been exploring on the podcast around how we move resources to our bodies and how that itself changes our movement. I start out with some historical context of movement and resources, the impact of sedentarism on our bodies, and the concept of shifting baselines in understanding how our bodies work. I share my experience with chronic illness and how movement has been a source of strength and resilience and how I’ve navigated continuing to move even, and especially, when it feels really hard. This is about the transformative power of physical activity–mentally, physically, and socially. I talk about my movement why–including health, aging, enjoyment, and, yes, even vanity. I talk a little about my home gym, scaling movement, and some tips for making yourself move when it feels hard. It’s a lot of fun, it’s thoughtful, a little heavy at times, but we can carry the load together!

    Find Kate: 

    Instagram: @kate_kavanaugh

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    Resources Mentioned:

    On Muscle: The Stuff that Moves Us and Why It Matters by Bonnie Tsui

    Lizette Pompa

    Steph Rose, Phase 6

    Ben Bruno

    Kara Duval, Range

    Dr. Susie Spurlock, Supple Strength

    Best of Movement Focused Episodes:

    Episode 94: An Ecology of Movement with Katy Bowman 

    Episode 68: One Foot in Front of the Other with Kate Kavanaugh

    Episode 77: Our Relationship to Resources with Kate Kavanaugh

    Episode 54: Staying Human is the Greatest Skill with Daniel Vitalis

    Episode 22: Building Strength from the Inside Out with Ashleigh VanHouten

    Episode 2: The Strenuous Life with Ed Roberson

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  • Episode 108. (note: recorded Fall of 2024) This conversation with Alice Driver about her book Life and Death of the American Worker: The Immigrants Taking on America’s Largest Meatpacking Company delves into the often unseen and harsh realities faced by workers in the meat industry. The discussion highlights the dangerous working conditions, the isolation and fear perpetrated by meatpacking plant owners, and the challenges workers face in organizing for better labor rights. It also touches on the broader implications of the true cost of food. 

    Find Alice: 

    Life and Death of the American Worker: The immigrants Taking on America’s Largest Meatpacking Company by Alice Driver 

    Website

    Best of Exploring Labor and Working Conditions:

    Episode 92: NAFTA is in All of Our Bodies with Alyshia GĂĄlvez

    Episode 90: Sh*t, Shipping, and Blood: Exploring the Ignored and Unseen with Rose George

    Episode 82: Dust: Salvage, Water, and Hope with Jay Owens

    Episode 81: The Tapestry of American Manufacturing with Rachel Slade

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  • Episode 107. In this conversation, Kate sits down with Matt Skoglund of North Bridger Bison to have a wide-ranging conversation about agriculture, community, the meaning of work, and what it means to teach about death. Together, they reflect on the complexities of efficiency in food systems, the yearning for simplicity in a complicated world, and the values that guide their lives and work. Matt discusses the importance of pragmatism in environmental work, the need for tangible solutions on the ground and in policy, and the impact of commodity agriculture on communities and how to be more involved. They also explore the role of death in food systems, reflecting on their personal experiences with grief and gratitude. The conversation also touches on the cognitive dissonance surrounding food production and the need for businesses to be resilient and regenerative, ultimately advocating for a deeper connection to the land and the hands that tend it. 

    Find Matt: 

    North Bridger Bison

    Instagram: @northbridgerbison

    Resources Mentioned:

    Let My People Go Surfing by Yvon Chouinard

    In Pusuit of the Unknown by Ian Stewart

    Best of Regenerative Agriculture Focused Episodes:

    Episode 27: Building Resilient Communities with Will Harris of White Oak Pastures

    Episode 53: Leaving Our Children Shade with Katie Collins of Force of Nature

    Episode 55: Cook Your Way to an Economy of Peace with Cate Havstad-Casad of Range Revolution

    Episode 74: The Gravity of Risk and the Potential of Opportunity with Robby Sansom of Force of Nature

    Episode 75: Building an Agriculture We Can Live in with Cole Mannix of Old Salt

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  • Episode 106: In this conversation, Kate Kavanaugh and Kurt Gray--whose book, ‘Outraged!: Why We Fight About Morality and Politics’ is out today--explore the themes of human nature, exploring the idea of humans as prey animals and how this evolutionary bent shapes our understanding of threats in modern society. It’s an episode about how we view harm and threat in a modern social media era, how much divisiveness this has fostered, and how we might have conversations that bridge those divides. In it, they discuss the importance of storytelling in bridging divides and fostering empathy, as well as the vulnerability paradox that arises when trying to connect with others who hold differing views. They also explore Kurt’s CIV framework (Connect, Invite, Validate) as a method for fostering meaningful dialogue. It’s also a conversation about how much humans like going deep with one another–even if they think they don’t. Last, and certainly not least, they ponder paradox themselves, and why humans might be prone to more binary thinking from an evolutionary standpoint. 

    Find Kurt: 

    Outraged: Why We Fight About Morality and Politics 

    The Mind Club: Who Thinks, What Feels and Why It Matters

    Outraged! Book Guides

    Center for the Science of Moral Understanding

    Instagram: @kurtjgray

    X: @kurtjgray

    Resources Mentioned:

    John Sarrouf / What is Essential Guide for talking politics

    Kurt and Ben Klutzy Interview for Discourse

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  • Episode 105: In this conversation, Kate sits down with author and entrepreneur Paul Hawken to explore the multifaceted role of carbon in life and talk about his new book, ‘Carbon: the Book of Life’. It’s an episode challenging the conventional narrative that reduces carbon to an errant molecule within the atmosphere and connects it back to the molecule that flows through 99% of all substances on earth. Paul and Kate discuss the importance of recognizing the complexity and interconnectedness of life–encouraging a shift from reductionist thinking to a more holistic understanding of our relationship with the environment, advocating for transformative actions rooted in compassion and connection while recognizing humanity’s role. They also discuss the power of language, the potential of possibility, and some of the incredible innovations we’re embarking on. This is an episode for the curious!

    Find Paul: 

    Carbon: the Book of Life by Paul Hawken

    Regeneration by Paul Hawken

    Drawdown by Paul Hawken

    Blessed Unrest by Paul Hawken

    Instagram: @paulhawken

    Website

    Resources Mentioned:

    Are We Smart Enough to Know How Smart Animals Are? by Frans de Waal

    The Master and His Emissary by Iain McGilchrist 

    Related Episodes:

    Episode 67 with Dan Egan on Phosphorous 

    Episode 87 with Ferris Jabr on Earth’s Interconnections

    Episode 76 with Melanie Challenger on the Human Animal

    Episode 58 with Fred Provenza on Embracing the Unknown and Awe

    Episode 72 with Ben Goldfarb on Circular Economies

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  • Episode 104. In this episode, Kate sits down with author Will Bardenwerper to talk about baseball. Now, before you think this doesn’t tie in to some of the major themes we’ve been exploring on the podcast—think again. Will’s new book ‘Homestand: Small Town Baseball and the Fight for the Soul of America’ is a love letter to small towns, communities, and coming together to build friendship and camaraderie across generations, political ideologies, and classes in “third places” like small town baseball stadiums. Will lays out what is happening to minor league baseball and the small towns that have housed teams for decades as private equity firms gobble them up, what happens when AI takes over scouting, and when concessions are just a click away on an iPhone. Kate and Will tug at themes around community, efficiency, and loneliness. This story of consolidation and small town triumph will be familiar to listeners who have found similar themes across agriculture, manufacturing, and so much more. 

    Find Will: 

    Homestand: Small Town Baseball and the Fight for the Soul of America by Will Bardenwerper

    Instagram: @willbardenwerper

    X: @wbardenwerper

    Website

    Resources Mentioned:

    Bowling Alone by Robert Putnam

    Front Porch Republic 

    Related Episodes:

    Episode 75: Building an Agriculture We Can Live In with Cole Mannix

    Episode 88: Weaving a New Vision for American Manufacturing and Small Town Resilience with Steven Kurutz

    Episode 96: The Complexity of Simplicity with Jill Winger

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  • Episode 103. In this episode of the podcast, Kate sits down with author Chloe Dalton to discuss her memoir Raising Hare. Chloe is a political speechwriter and advisor who during the pandemic finds herself caring for a hare in the English countryside. In rich and textured detail, Chloe shares her transformative relationship with the hare. The episode touches on themes around domestication, freedom, intimacy, and wonder and what it might mean to be of place throughout the candid conversation. Chloe and Kate explore the intimate relationships between humans and the human animal. Chloe brings a stunning sense of wonder and awe, tugging at how nature welcomes us however, and whenever, we come to it. 

    Find Chloe (and the hare): 

    Raising Hare, a Memoir by Chloe Dalton

    Instagram: @chloedaltonuk

    Website

    Related Episodes:

    Episode 76: How to Be Animal with Melanie Challenger

    Episode 56: Becoming Edible with Andreas Weber

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  • Episode 102. In this episode, Kate sits down with Mary-Frances O’Connor to talk about her new book The Grieving Body (a follow up to the Grieving Brain). This is an episode for anyone to deepen their understanding and literacy of grief—grievers, grief supporters, caregivers. In the episode, they talk about attachment and what it is to form an “us” and the some of the science behind love and bonding before diving into the deep emotional and physiological impacts of grief and understanding and normalizing the grieving process.  At the heart of the episode is a discussion about the role of community in grief and loneliness and how we might support those around us that are grieving. 

    Find Mary-Frances: 

    The Grieving Body: How the Stress of Loss Can Be an Opportunity for Healing

    The Grieving Brain: The Surprising Science of How We Learn From Love and Loss 

    Instagram: @doctormfoconnor

    Website

    Other Episodes on Grief:

    Embracing the Darkness with Francis Weller

    Bringing Death Home with Heidi Boucher 

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  • Episode 101: In this episode, I reflect on my journey over the past three years of podcasting, It’s about being a human in process. It’s about taking moments to let ourselves be fallow, to stop along the journey, lay out a blanket, and watch the clouds go by. I also discuss a concept I’ve been exploring for myself where “Ease = Effort + Flow” and how a little friction and push in life can give us the active ease we’ve been seeking. Ultimately, it’s about the interconnectedness of existence and what it might mean to embrace aliveness and fun. It’s short and sweet and I honestly have no idea what I’m doing in these solo episodes. 

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    Instagram: @kate_kavanaugh

    Linked In

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  • 100 episodes. Countless hours (over 220 hours). An immense amount of gratitude for you—dear listener. In this episode, I share 13 lessons from the last 100 episodes and my excitement for the next 100 episodes. Themes across the lessons include curiosity, adaptability, persistence, managing our dreams, enoughness, embracing our multifaceted nature, and how deeply shared this human experience is. It’s a vulnerable episode and while not prescriptive advice, I hope that openly sharing what this journey has taught me has some resonance with you in your journey. Thank you for listening. Looking forward to the next 100 episodes with you. 

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  • Caroline Nelson is living into the life she wants. A lot has happened since we last talked to Caroline a year and a half ago, she opened Little Creek Feed, her meat business got bigger, so did Cowgirl Camp, and somewhere in the midst of all that she became a mother. This is an episode in equal parts the gravity of pausing to ask yourself where you are in your life and how you can live into the life you want and the levity of Caroline and I laughing our way through a conversation that includes a lot of the “real real”. We talk about phone addictions, surrender, finding agency for your health, discipline and willpower. Caroline also candidly shares her journey into matrescence and what the last 6 or so months have been like with businesses and a baby. We also talk about the messiness of building community and the outsize impact it can have if we just surrender. All of that and a lot more can be found in this fun romp with Caroline. 

    Find Caroline: 

    Instagram: @bigskycaroline

    TikTok: @bigskycaroline

    Little Creek

    First Episode with Caroline

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  • As Winter Solstice nears, this conversation is about the transformative power of darkness, about going into our grief, and building community to hold us. In this conversation, Francis Weller joins Kate to explore the profound importance of community and connection in human life. They discuss the pervasive sense of isolation and individualism in modern society, the various forms of grief that arise from that disconnection, and the need for a return to communal practice and love. Francis reminds us that we have forgotten and numbed ourselves – amnesia and anesthesia – but highlighting the healing potential found in nature, the darkness, and one another. Inside is a call to reimagine our relationships with each other and the world around us, advocating for a deeper understanding of our interconnectedness. Francis’ work on grief is seminal and in this, he highlights grief’s alchemical nature. It’s also a conversation about the importance of rituals, the necessity of creating spaces of belonging, and the interconnectedness of grief and joy. 

    Find Francis: 

    The Wild Edge of Sorrow by Francis Weller

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  • In this episode I sit down with Vince Beiser, whose book Power Metal: The Race for the Resources that Will Shape The Future is an incredible follow up to his book Sand: the World in a Grain. When we last caught up with Vince we plumbed the depths of sand and how, while largely unseen, it is one of the major resources our world is built on. In this conversation, Vince and I explore more unseen resources our world is increasingly dependent on: the critical metals that are powering our energy transition. We talk about how everything has a cost, about how the electro digital age, while feeling post-material, is anything but. We touch a little on the materials used in this energy transition. We have a complex conversation around  reshoring mining and exploring if where we might mine next is here at home. And then we talk about recycling, repair, and real tangible solutions to what might happen next. 

    Find Vince: 

    Instagram: @vince.beiser

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    Power Metal:  The Race for the Resources that Will Shape The Future

    Sand: the World in a Grain

    Resources Mentioned: 

    Washington Post on Data Centers

    NYT Op-Ed on Reshoring Mining

    Thea Riofrancos on Novara FM

    Fight to Repair Newsletter

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  • This is a salty conversation and it’s also the kind of conversation that cracks you wide open. I sit down with Jill Winger - not to discuss her incredible work with Old-Fashioned on Purpose, her courses, her planner, or her book which are all amazing - but to talk about her life philosophies, our shared hot takes, and to lean into our complexity as humans. We explore the complexities of modern communication, the importance of intentional living, and the challenges of building community in a polarized society. We talk about being reflexive contrarians and sometimes needing to go to an extreme to bounce back to some nuance. We discuss the value of discomfort in personal growth as much as we talk about when and how to choose ease, the balance between generalism and specialization, and the necessity of real human connection in an increasingly digital world. We explore choosing when we need to choose discomfort (often!) but also when we need to choose ease. All around, about holding the tension between modern and old-fashioned ways of living, and just holding the tension between so many paradoxical qualities of ourselves and our lives. 

    Find Jill: 

    Instagram: @jill.winger

    Website

    Youtube

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    Old-Fashioned on Purpose: Cultivating a Slower, More Joyful Life

    Resources Mentioned: 

    Reclaiming Conversation: The Power of Talk in a Digital Age by Sherry Turkle 

    Essentialism by Greg McKeown

    Molecule of More by Daniel Lieberman, MD and Michael E. Long

    10x is Easier Than 2x by Dan Sullivan

    Hope for Cynics by Jamil Zaki

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  • WHOOEE. Brock Dolman, folks, in this episode is weaving together all sorts of things previously explored on the podcast in a new (old) and incredibly articulate way. This podcast is about water cycles, beavers, fire, sand, geology, the oceans, a living earth, and so much more. Brock is a conservation ecologist and a specialized generalist over at the Occidental Arts and Ecology Center. He’s also, in his own right, a linguist and an incredible waeaver of words. We explore the nouns and verbs of earth as energy flows, matter cycles, and life webs. This episode is a catch all - and at the heart of it, is a message about how to build lasting community. 

    Find Brock Dolman:

    Occidental Arts and Ecology Center

    Water and Fire Video

    The Universe is a Green Dragon: A Cosmic Creation Story by Brian Swimme

    Biomimicry: Innovation Inspired by Nature by Janine Benyus

    Creating a Life Together: Practical Tools to Grow Ecovillages and Intentional Communities by Diana Leafe Christian

    The End of Growth By Richard Heinberg

    The Ghost Forest by Greg King 

    Eager by Ben Goldfarb

    Beaver Land by Leila Philip

    Tree Crops by J. Russell Smith

    Picture of subsidence san Joaquin valley of telephone pole 

    Braiding Sweetgrass by Robin Wall Kimmerer

    Thinking in Systems by Donella Meadows

    Blessed Unrest by Paul Hawken 

    AC/DC: The Savage Tale of the First Standards War

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  • In this episode, I sit down with Katy Bowman. First, a long on-ramp to the episode where I talk about where some of Katy’s work dovetails with explorations of how we move resources to our bodies (when we used to move our bodies to resources) that we’ve been exploring on the podcast. Katy and I then dive into the ecology of movement, movement diets, finding your movement why, and how you might consider stacking community into movement. 

    Find Katy Bowman:

    My Perfect Movement Plan: The Move Your DNA All Day WorkbookMovement Matters: Essays on Movement Science, Movement Ecology, and the Nature of Movement

    Instagram: @nutritiousmovement

    Website

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    SUNDRIES FARM GARLIC

    Hand grown Sundries Farm Garlic is certified disease-free and grown in the volcanic soils of Idaho. With a range of soft and hard-neck varietals the unmatched flavor and big cloves are perfect for both your seed and culinary needs. Pre-order now for shipping in September. sundriesfarm.com

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  • In this episode of the podcast I sit down with John Perlin, whose book A Forest Journey: The Role of Trees in the Fate of Civilization explores the history of, well, of us. As you’ll hear in this episode the history of humans is inextricably intertwined, or made possible, with the history of trees and of wood. Wood is our materia prima, the foundational material of both our ecology on earth and the civilizations we have built. We explore the cycles of humanity and their relationship with wood throughout the last million years, touching on the Stone Age (which is really the wood age), Rome and Greece, the American revolution, the Industrial revolution, containerization and the green revolution, and the present. John’s book offers us a mirror to see our activities and how the stories we tell ourselves are ones we’ve been telling ourselves over and over again.

    Find John Perlin:

    A Forest Journey: The Role of Trees in the Fate of Civilization

    Let It Shine: The 6,000-Year Story of Solar Energy

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    REDMOND REAL SALT

    Mine to Table Salt from Utah, Redmond Real Salt is packed full of 60+ Trace Minerals and is a staple in my kitchen. Find their salt, Re-Lyte Hydration Powder, and so much more here. Use code MINDBODYSOIL_15 for 15% off!redmond.life

    SUNDRIES FARM GARLIC

    Hand grown Sundries Farm Garlic is certified disease-free and grown in the volcanic soils of Idaho. With a range of soft and hard-neck varietals the unmatched flavor and big cloves are perfect for both your seed and culinary needs. Pre-order now for shipping in September. sundriesfarm.com

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  • In this episode, I sit down with anthropologist Alyshia GĂĄlvez to talk about her book Eating NAFTA. The conversation is from two people who came to economic policy through unlikely means, but as Alyshia explains, economic policy in general, and NAFTA in particular - on its 30 year anniversary, has become a part of all of our bodies whether we’re aware of it or not. Alyshia’s work is incredible at connecting dots that aren’t often seen in economics - its about people, landscapes, and cultures and how they are affected by policy that favors corporations. We explore ideas of efficiency, and how the standard definition is anything but, of consumption, and the paradoxes that arise when looking at people, food, and policy. We look at corn as a material that drives our world through corn products and how landrace corn varietals have been lost to the people that first cultivated them. We also look at the health effects of policy, both here in the US, and in Mexico. Alyshia comes with a big message: if you, like us, feel like you’re a stranger to economic policy or that you can’t change it, perhaps you can and it matters now more than ever. 

    Find Alyshia GĂĄlvez:

    Eating NAFTA: Trade, Food Policies and the Destruction of Mexico

    Patient Citizens, Immigrant Mothers

    X: @alyshiagalvez

    Website 

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    SUNDRIES FARM GARLIC

    Hand grown Sundries Farm Garlic is certified disease-free and grown in the volcanic soils of Idaho. With a range of soft and hard-neck varietals the unmatched flavor and big cloves are perfect for both your seed and culinary needs. Pre-order now for shipping in September. sundriesfarm.com

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  • In this week’s episode, I sit down with geologist Marcia Bjornerud to talk about her new book Turning to Stone: Discovering the Subtle Wisdom of Rocks and to explore how we can gain a sense of feeling embedded in the time and space of Earth, as earthlings. We explore the mentorship rocks have to offer us and putting the story of Earth as a dynamic planet front and center. We talk about how learning about process, not just end product, through the lens of geology, can give us a sense of empathy and story that mirrors our own inner experiences on Earth. It’s also about the paradoxical qualities of geology, the vetoing of the term ‘Anthropocene’ in the geologic community and why it matters, and what it means to look at the future through the lens of the past. This episode is about putting Earth in the foreground, not as a backdrop for our human endeavors, but as a living and active system. Marcia is excellent at being a translator for the Earth and her books and way of speaking both illuminate Earth in an intriguing and dynamic way. 

    Find Marcia Bjornerud:

    Turning to Stone: Discovering the Subtle Wisdom of Rocks

    Timefulness: How Thinking Like a Geologist Can Help Save the World

    Reading the Rocks: The Autobiography of Earth

    Geopedia: A Brief Compendium of Geologic Curiosities

    Resources Mentioned: 

    In the Weeds Interview with Marcia (Part 1 and Part 2)

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    REDMOND REAL SALT

    Mine to Table Salt from Utah, Redmond Real Salt is packed full of 60+ Trace Minerals and is a staple in my kitchen. Find their salt, Re-Lyte Hydration Powder, and so much more here. Use code MINDBODYSOIL_15 for 15% off!redmond.life

    SUNDRIES FARM GARLIC

    Hand grown Sundries Farm Garlic is certified disease-free and grown in the volcanic soils of Idaho. With a range of soft and hard-neck varietals the unmatched flavor and big cloves are perfect for both your seed and culinary needs. Pre-order now for shipping in September. sundriesfarm.com

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