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đ What happens when an MSP is started by a finance and sales expert instead of an engineer? Thatâs exactly what Adam Barney and his business partner did with Framework IT, and the results speak for themselves.
Because they couldnât do the tech work themselves, they were forced to scale/hire fast, build processes early, and master sales & marketingâleading to massive growth and a unique pricing model that rewards efficiency.
Here are five powerful lessons I learned from Adam about scaling an MSP strategically:
â Not Being a Tech Founder Can Be an Advantage
â The Wrong Clients Will Hold You Back
â A Unique Pricing Model Can Be a Game-Changer
â Fear Holds Back More MSPs Than Competition
â Peer Groups Can Accelerate Growth by YearsChapters:
0:00 - Intro
2:07 - Starting an MSP with no IT background - had to hire fast
15:22 - Don't sale to just anyone + their unique pricing model
37:47 - How long it takes to get clients aligned on the pricing model
53:17 - Why peer groups are important
59:55 - MSP Titan Questionsđ CONNECT MORE WITH:
https://www.linkedin.com/in/dstevens
https://www.linkedin.com/in/adam-barney-9810679/đș Watch on YT: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCbzzyR7yX9l9XQaZCBp0v0g
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đ What if your MSP could achieve world-class customer service, a rock-solid culture, and top-tier talentâall while scaling efficiently? Thatâs exactly what Bryon Beilman, CEO of IUVO, has done. With an NPS score of 80 (more than double the MSP industry average of 38!) and an average employee experience of 24 years, he's effectively built his MSP into the top 500.
Here are the five biggest lessons I learned from Bryon about scaling an MSP the right way:
â Leadership at the Edge Empowers Your Team
â Culture Isnât a BuzzwordâItâs a Strategy
â Customer Service is the Real Differentiator
â Think Long-Term: Invest in People & ProcessJoin my beta reader list for the upcoming book! âșâș https://go.servosity.com/betareader
đ CONNECT MORE WITH:
https://www.linkedin.com/in/dstevens
https://www.linkedin.com/in/bbeilman/đ Get Bryon's new book: https://a.co/d/4R7GIU6
Chapters:
0:00 - Intro
1:42 - Bryon's start
7:11 - Managing the process, not the employee
15:20 - How does his MSP differentiate?
25:42 - The importance of culture
31:05 - Leadership at the- edge
39:15 - MSP Titan Questionsđș Watch on YT: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCbzzyR7yX9l9XQaZCBp0v0g
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đ How do you scale from an average MSP ($1.2M in revenue) to $18M all while slowly taking work off your plate? Thatâs exactly what Will Nobles, CEO of Vector Choice, didâand his secret wasnât just hard work. It was a total mindset shift.
Will went from working non-stop to building a team and process that runs without him, unlocking the freedom to start multiple businesses, coach MSPs, and spend more time with his family.
Here are the five biggest lessons I learned from Will about breaking past growth plateaus and building a business that doesnât own you:
â Get Out of Your Own Way
â Charge What Youâre WorthâAnd Then Some
â Marketing Is a Process, Not a Gamble
â You Canât Scale Without Letting Go
â Mindset Determines EverythingChapters:
0:00 - Intro
1:36 - How Will got into IT
4:17 - Starting Vector Choice (his MSP) and growing to $18M
17:33 - His break throughs and overcoming himself
29:58 - Why your MSP needs an EA and why it's sooner than you think
34:00 - Why did he charge so little in the beginning?
39:20 - How Will manages to only spend 5-6 hours per week with Vector Choice
53:17 - Advice for those getting burnt out
59:37 - MSP Titan Questionsđ CONNECT MORE WITH:
Damien: https://www.linkedin.com/in/dstevens
Will: https://www.linkedin.com/in/willnobles/đș Watch on YT: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCbzzyR7yX9l9XQaZCBp0v0g
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đ Iâve been interviewing high-growth MSPs, but a certain part of Nick Regaliâs story really stood out. Heâs running a lean team, nearly doubling the revenue per employee of most MSPs, all while traveling the country in his RV and managing offices on both coasts.
How? It wasnât luckâit was intentional leadership, culture building, and mindset shifts. And it didn't happen overnight either.
Here are the five biggest lessons I learned from Nick about scaling smarter, not harder:
â Culture Isnât FluffâItâs Strategy â Nick rebuilt his entire team around core values that drive performance.
â The Right People Make Freedom Possible â Running an MSP from an RV across the country? That only works if youâve got a team you fully trust.
â Perfection Kills Progress
â Let Go of Bad ClientsâEven if It Hurts â Not every dollar is worth it.đĄ If youâre an MSP CEO or executive chasing both business success AND personal freedom, this episode is for you.
Chapters:
0:00 - Intro
1:14 - His start into the MSP space
2:57 - How he's built a highly efficient team (double revenue per employee)
10:00 - Running his MSP from an RV, and how his team made it possible
18:24 - How do I build a dependable team?
27:46 - The importance of core values when building your team
31:53 - What ways did Nick have to change to fun a successful business?
52:27 - Removing wrong clients
57:38 - MSP Titan Questionsđ CONNECT MORE WITH :
https://www.linkedin.com/in/dstevens
https://www.linkedin.com/in/nickrigali/đș Watch on YT: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCbzzyR7yX9l9XQaZCBp0v0g
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đ Iâve been interviewing large, fast-growing MSPs, but what about those who want to keep it small? The truth is, success isnât about headcount or revenue milestonesâitâs about building an MSP that fits your life.
Thatâs exactly what Marvin B. (aka Uncle Marv) has done with MB Systems and Uncle Marvâs IT Business Podcast. Instead of chasing non-stop growth, Marv designed his business intentionallyâone that gives him time freedom, financial stability, and the ability to work with clients he actually enjoys.
Here are several powerful takeaways from my conversation with Marv about defining success on your own terms:
â Success Isnât About SizeâItâs About Alignment
â Small Doesnât Mean Struggling
â Work With Clients, Not Against Them
â Define YOUR Version of SuccessChapters:
0:00 - Intro
1:07 - Staying small by design
11:08 - His niche
16:05 - How do you set boundaries?
19:54 - Advice for those who want to stay small
24:29 - Starting Uncle Marv's IT Business Podcast
30:25 - Lessons learned from hundreds of podcast interviews
33:56 - What is he looking forward to?
40:17 - Resources for those wanting a small MSP
43:40 - Conclusionđ CONNECT MORE WITH:
Damien: https://www.linkedin.com/in/dstevens
Marvin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/marvinbee/đș Watch on YT: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCbzzyR7yX9l9XQaZCBp0v0g
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đ What if you lost half your support team in one year? For Luke Downing, that wasnât just a hypotheticalâit was his reality. But instead of accepting constant turnover as the norm, he built one of the best places to work in Virginia and turned his MSP into one of the most profitable in the Taylor Business Group.
Luke didnât just fix his hiring problemâhe transformed his MSP. Here are five major takeaways from our conversation:
â Retention Problems Are ExpensiveâSolve Them First â High turnover isnât just a hassleâitâs a profit killer.
â Leadership is Harder Than Technology â Managing servers is easyâmanaging people is where the real challenge lies.
â Hire for Values, Train for Skills â The best hires arenât always the most experienced.
â You Canât Deliver World-Class Service on Budget Pricing â Luke had to rethink pricing and charge what his MSP was truly worth.
â Work-Life Balance Attracts (and Keeps) Top Talent00:00 Intro â What if you lost half your team in a year?
01:45 - Starting an MSP and figuring out how to fix people problems.
30:12 - How he learned to attract the right people that fit their culture
37:23 - What Luke attributes to his company's growth: Peer Groups, improving pricing, and caring for people.
51:52 - What's the biggest challenge he's faced?
58:21 - MSP Titan Questionsđ CONNECT MORE WITH:
Damien: https://www.linkedin.com/in/dstevens
Luke: https://www.linkedin.com/in/luke-downing-01b9955/đ Listen on audio:
Apple Podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/msp-mindset-with-damien-stevens/id1669572779
Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/5B1k3Z8qXBGBSCJeSScjBE?si=c5d185c306064520#msp #managedservices #managedserviceprovider
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Scaling an MSP is tough, but scaling without losing your best people is even harder. In this episode, Peter Melby, CEO of New Charter Technologies, shares how he built a $20M MSP by prioritizing empathy at scale and a culture that thrives through growth. He reveals the biggest mistakes MSP leaders make, why focusing too much on struggling employees can drive away top performers, and how to build a company culture that scales. If you want to grow your MSP without sacrificing relationships, culture, or your sanity, this episode is a must-listen!
Chapters:
0:00 - Intro
1:37 - Peter's growth story, from college dropout to MSP CEO
12:28 - Predictions can be tricky + how relationships were crucial to their growth
22:57 - How he built his MSP to $20M in revenue + moving on from it to being CEO of New Charter Technologies
52:30 - Why is New Charter a platform
1:02:35 - Why can MSPs be hard to scale? Other people businesses (lawyers) have huge companies that scale.
1:06:02 - What is his view on M&A?â Not sure about full support, weâre giving away our process for you to check out for yourself: https://bit.ly/4hCw4Wi
đ€ Connect with Peter: https://www.linkedin.com/in/petermelby/
đ€ Connect with Damien: https://www.linkedin.com/in/dstevensđș Watch on YT: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCbzzyR7yX9l9XQaZCBp0v0g
#msp #managedservices #managedserviceprovider
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Most MSPs stay stuck because they avoid sales, underprice their services, and resist stepping out of their comfort zones. In this episode, Jeff Newton, Co-Founder of Cyft, reveals the key mindset shifts and strategies needed to scale your MSP. Learn how to break through growth barriers, hire for strengths, and hold yourself accountable for real progress. If you're ready to stop playing small, listen now and start building the MSP you actually want!
Chapters:
1:17 - Biggest challenges facing MSPs
11:20 - Getting out of my comfort zone and embrace being bad (only for a time)
20:33 - How do I hire someone when I have a deficit of skill? How do I make sure both of us are set up for success?
30:22 - Do I take the sales journey or do I hire it out?đ€ Connect with Jeffrey: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jsnewton/
đ€ Connect with Damien: https://www.linkedin.com/in/dstevensđ Listen on audio: How to Stop Playing Small and Build a Multi-Million Dollar MSP
Apple Podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/msp-mindset-with-damien-stevens/id1669572779
Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/5B1k3Z8qXBGBSCJeSScjBE?si=c5d185c306064520#msp #managedservices #managedserviceprovider
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Joshua Skeens, CEO of Logically, started his career as employee number four at an MSP and eventually rose to the rank of CEO (with 300 employees). Along the way, he had to reinvent himself at every stageâwhat worked at five employees didnât work later on, it's been a constant journey of constant growth. His biggest lesson? Success isnât about the techâitâs about the people.
In this episode, Joshua shares how he navigated the challenges of rapid growth, overcame imposter syndrome, and learned to delegate effectively to scale his company. If youâre looking to level up your leadership and build a thriving MSP, donât miss this conversation!
Chapters:
0:00 - Intro
1:17 - From farm boy to IT
10:42 - From employee #4 to CEO with 300 team members + learning how to lead and motivate team members
20:18 - Letting go as the CEO, preventing burnout for yourself and your team, and empowering your employees
29:39 - Learning how to change your mindset and grow
36:54 - The importance of seeing your team members as individuals
45:04 - The importance of gratitude in his life and how he instills it into their culture
53:02 - Joshua's take on PE and why it's a good thing depending on the person
1:01:05 - MSP Titan Questionsđ§ Sign up for early access to my book and be a beta reader: https://go.servosity.com/betareader
đ€ Connect with Joshua: https://www.linkedin.com/in/joshuaskeens/
đ€ Connect with Damien: https://www.linkedin.com/in/dstevensđș Watch on YT: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCbzzyR7yX9l9XQaZCBp0v0g
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Feeling stuck as a small MSP? So was today's guest, Kevin Barros, CEO of The Computer Company. He and his team took a step back and realized they were surrounded by MSPs with hundreds team members. Instead of feeling discouraged, they decided to hunker down and growâbecause if those MSPs could do it, so could they.
Check out today's episode to learn how Kevin scaled his MSP so quickly!
Chapters:
0:00 - Intro
1:27 - Where his MSP is today and where they see themselves going in the future - from a single person startup in 2017 to currently having 45 team members.
11:10 - What did they do to grow so quickly?
16:11 - What advice would he give his former self?
18:49 - What is he looking forward in the industry? (Ai)
20:53 - The importance of listening to your clients.
24:15 - Conclusionđ Check out Growcon for 2025: https://growcon.com/
đ€ Connect with Kevin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kevin-barros-a55a2ba9/
đ€ Connect with Damien: https://www.linkedin.com/in/dstevensđș Watch on YT: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCbzzyR7yX9l9XQaZCBp0v0g
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In this episode of MSP Mindset, Damien Stevens interviews Jay Papasan, co-author of the bestselling book The ONE Thing. Jay shares how focusing on your âone thingâ can transform your MSP, helping you achieve more by doing less. They discuss the power of purpose, the science of time-blocking, and how to overcome distractions to stay focused on what truly matters. Whether you're feeling overwhelmed or seeking clarity to grow your business, this episode is packed with actionable strategies to take your MSP to the next level.
Chapters:
0:00 - Intro
1:18 - We have it all wrong with "priorities"
4:20 - How do I get to my one thing? The backstory to how Jay got there.
14:21 - How they implemented the one thing as they wrote the book.
21:15 - Honing in on your purpose and letting it drive your focus.
33:11 - Cheating on your time. Why putting boundaries around work is healthy.
40:39 - Time blocking and structuring your day around your one thing.
55:57 - Using the correct model to approach your purpose.
1:01:50 - Conclusionđ§ Sign up for early access to my book and be a beta reader: https://go.servosity.com/betareader
đ€ Connect with Jay: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jaypapasan/
đ€ Connect with Damien: https://www.linkedin.com/in/dstevensđș Watch on YT: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCbzzyR7yX9l9XQaZCBp0v0g
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â Not sure about full support, weâre giving away our process for you to check out for yourself: https://bit.ly/4hCw4Wi
As we continue our journey to interview 100 of the top MSPs on the planet, my mission brings me to Jason Caras, CEO of IT Authorities. Jason didnât just grow his MSP to seven figuresâhe and his partner managed to hit eight figures. But hereâs the question: what did Jason and his partner do in their MSP that led to such massive growth? It came down to three things they executed really well: 1). Documentation: Every process was documented, down to turning off the AC. This enabled them to grow faster since there was one consistent way for things to be done. 2). Automation: If a task could be automated to allow for better efficiency, they went for it. 3). Culture: Their culture was focused on personal development and treating others as they would want to be treated. Their priority was to work on themselves before working on the MSP.
Chapters:
0:00 - Intro
1:48 - Building a successful MSP through documentation and automation
6:30 - Building a successful MSP through culture that focused on personal development for the team
17:40 - Conclusionđ Check out Growcon for 2025: https://growcon.com/
đ€ Connect with Jason: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jasoncaras/
đ€ Connect with Damien: https://www.linkedin.com/in/dstevensđș Watch on YT: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCbzzyR7yX9l9XQaZCBp0v0g
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Building a thriving company culture is critical as an MSP scales, but it requires intentionality and adaptability. In this episode, we have on Mark Jamieson, CEO of 2W Technologies, who has cultivated a collaborative, recognition-driven culture at his growing 70-person firm, sharing strategies for reducing employee turnover. We also explore the benefits of specializing within a specific industry vertical and technology stack, as opposed to a generalist approach. Finally, Mark shares insights on future-proofing an MSP business, highlighting his organization's 1). early adoption of cloud infrastructure and 2). their current innovative use of AI to enhance service delivery.
Chapters:
0:00 - Intro
1:59 - Getting into 2W Technologies
10:20 - Niching and being an early adopter of the cloud
28:40 - Intentionality with culture
47:36 - Titan Questions
52:40 - Adapting with AI and helping clients now
1:09:07 - Conclusionđ§ Sign up for early access to my book and be a beta reader: https://go.servosity.com/betareader
đ€ Connect with Mark: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jamiesonmark/
đ€ Connect with Damien: https://www.linkedin.com/in/dstevensđ Listen on audio:
Apple Podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/msp-mindset-with-damien-stevens/id1669572779
Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/5B1k3Z8qXBGBSCJeSScjBE?si=c5d185c306064520#msp #managedservices #managedserviceprovider
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â Not sure about full support, weâre giving away our process for you to check out for yourself: https://bit.ly/4hCw4Wi
On this week's episode, I ask Arlin Sorenson, VP of Ecosystem Evangelism at ConnectWise, about the biggest challenge facing MSPs. His response? Sales. Specifically, he explains why MSPs with under $5 million in revenue must embrace owner-led sales and why in order to see your sales grow, you need to change your mindset.
Chapters:
0:00 - Intro
1:29 - Taking ownership of sales, especially the owner
15:25 - Marketing vs sales first
20:10 - Common sales problems coming up in peer groups
28:59 - Legacy and why it's importantđ Check out Growcon for 2025: https://growcon.com/
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đ€ Connect with Arlin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/asorensen/
đ€ Connect with Damien: https://www.linkedin.com/in/dstevensđș Watch on YT: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCbzzyR7yX9l9XQaZCBp0v0g
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â Not sure about full support, weâre giving away our process for you to check out for yourself: https://bit.ly/4hCw4Wi
If you're thinking about exiting your MSPâwhether soon or further down the roadâtoday's episode is a must-watch. Mahen Gundecha, a seasoned M&A advisor with the Bristol Group, joins us to discuss what you need to know about M&A for MSPs in 2025. It's always better to be prepared because none of us knows what life may throw at us.
Chapters:
0:00 - Intro
1:02 - Mahen's M&A background
6:30 - There's never a perfect time
16:50 - What is out of my control?
31:05 - What can I control?
36:50 - A partial exit
44:45 - Who are the buyers?
48:18 - How much time will I spend + importance of an advisor
1:00:57 - Other key advisor needs
1:09:28 - Low and highs in evaluations
1:15:18 - Biggest lesson learnedđ€ Connect with Mahen: https://www.linkedin.com/in/bristol-group/
đ€ Connect with Damien: https://www.linkedin.com/in/dstevensđș Watch on YT: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCbzzyR7yX9l9XQaZCBp0v0g
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â Not sure about full support, weâre giving away our process for you to check out for yourself: https://bit.ly/4hCw4Wi
As an MSP owner or executive, it's easy to overlook the importance of giving sales the runway it deserves. We often want quick results, but unfortunately, that's not how sales and marketing workâespecially in the MSP world. In today's episode, Mike Booth, VP of Sales and Marketing at Tobin Solutions, shares his proven sales strategy (successfully implemented at other MSPs) and the attitude towards sales your MSP needs to adopt to achieve growth.
Chapters:
0:00 - Intro
0:48 - Becoming VP of sales at Tobin
7:04 - Proper expectations and commitment
23:36 - Building an outbound team
29:42 - You have to commit
37:50 - Conclusionđ Check out Growcon for 2025: [https://growcon.com/](https://growcon.com/
đ€ Connect with Mike: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mikebooth-wi/
đ€ Connect with Damien: https://www.linkedin.com/in/dstevensđș Watch on YT: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCbzzyR7yX9l9XQaZCBp0v0g
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â Not sure about full support, weâre giving away our process for you to check out for yourself: https://bit.ly/4hCw4Wi
Does getting past the $1M hurdle feel like an impossible challenge? For Ron Oppermann, Co-Founder of E3 IT Services, breaking through their $600k revenue ceiling and 5% yearly growth seemed daunting. But thatâs when Ron had a breakthrough. In this weekâs episode, he shares how he and his partner leveled up and set their MSP on an entirely new trajectoryâone they never thought possible until now.
Chapters:
0:00 - Intro
1:37 - Committing to Growth
29:07 - MSP Titan Questionsđ€ Connect with Ron: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ron-oppermann-3759617a/
đ€ Connect with Damien: https://www.linkedin.com/in/dstevensđș Watch on YT: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCbzzyR7yX9l9XQaZCBp0v0g
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In this week's episode, we recorded live at Growcon with Rob Rae, CVP of Community and Ecosystems at Pax8, and asked him two big questions. What is the current biggest challenge for MSPs and what in the industry is going to change over the next decade?
Chapters:
0:00 - Intro
1:32 - Biggest challenge for MSPs
15:25 - What's going to change over the next decade?
32:20 - Final questionsđ Check out Growcon for 2025: https://growcon.com/
đ€ Connect with Rob: https://www.linkedin.com/in/robtrae/
đ€ Connect with Damien: https://www.linkedin.com/in/dstevensđș Watch on YT: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCbzzyR7yX9l9XQaZCBp0v0g
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â Not sure about full support, weâre giving away our process for you to check out for yourself: https://bit.ly/4hCw4Wi
In this episode of MSP Mindset, Damien Stevens explores how Gerry Miller built a mission-driven MSP (Cloudticity) by aligning his business with a greater purpose. Gerry reveals how his focus on client outcomes and passion for healthcare innovation has helped him revolutionize the industry while staying true to his core values. From leveraging automation to scaling with intention, learn how Gerryâs commitment to purpose drives his companyâs success. It's time to rethink the role of purpose in your business strategy.
Chapters:
0:00 - Intro
1:27 - His passion for healthcare
6:46 - Why start Cloudticity?
11:05 - Purpose driven + speeding up health care
35:04 - Hiring & remote work culture
44:10 - His personal mission
50:42 - MSP Titan Questionsđ€ Connect with Gerry: https://www.linkedin.com/in/gerrymiller/
đ€ Connect with Damien: https://www.linkedin.com/in/dstevensđș Watch on YT: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCbzzyR7yX9l9XQaZCBp0v0g
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â Not sure about full support, weâre giving away our process for you to check out for yourself: https://bit.ly/4hCw4Wi
Struggling to let go and share tasks you're handling with your team? We've all been thereâand some of us might still be there! That's why, in this episode, John Snyder, CEO of Net Friends, shares his story of managing an astounding 45 direct reports and how he learned to start letting go and being intentional to enable his business to grow.
Chapters:
0:00 - Intro
1:12 - From tech to CEO/owner
10:15 - Letting go and being intentional
22:55 - Building something you want to show up for
35:04 - Advice to younger self 10 years ago
39:39 - Current biggest challengeđ Check out Growcon for 2025: https://growcon.com/
đ€ Connect with John: https://www.linkedin.com/in/johnsnyder-netfriends/
đ€ Connect with Damien: https://www.linkedin.com/in/dstevensđ Listen on audio:
Apple Podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/msp-mindset-with-damien-stevens/id1669572779
Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/5B1k3Z8qXBGBSCJeSScjBE?si=c5d185c306064520#msp #managedservices #managedserviceprovider
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