Afleveringen
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What happens when you stop suppressing your emotions and start embracing them?
In this episode, we dive into the messy, beautiful process of emotional growth—how childhood experiences, therapy, and personal awakenings shape our perspective on life, creativity, and success.
We unpack:
🔹 Growing up in a conservative religious environment and unlearning emotional suppression
🔹 The impact of grief, heartbreak, and vulnerability on personal and creative life
🔹 Balancing emotions and rationality into an integrated way of being
🔹 How authenticity on social media can both empower and challenge us
🔹 Parenting, individuality, and encouraging emotional expression in future generations
This is a conversation about healing, growth, and the creative power of feeling deeply.
🎧 Listen now on Second Order Change.
Michael's IG: https://www.instagram.com/michaelishustle
Evan's IG: https://www.instagram.com/ebourcier
A Challenger Media House Production.
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In this deeply personal episode, Drake Margolnick opens up about a life-altering blackout while working with rising artist Adina Rey—an incident that forced him to confront the lasting impact of a 2016 abduction that left him battling PTSD, blackouts, and addiction.
From the rise and fall of his band Flagship to rebuilding as a solo artist, Drake shares the highs and lows of his journey—his struggles with substance abuse, the challenges of the modern music industry, and how sobriety and creativity became his lifelines.
He also dives into the realities of being an independent musician today, navigating streaming, social media, radio, and licensing, and the unexpected fulfillment of collaborating with and uplifting new artists.
This is a story of resilience, redemption, and the transformative power of music.
🎧 Listen now on Second Order Change.
Flagship IG: www.instagram.com/flagship
Drake's IG: https://www.instagram.com/drakemargolnick
Evan's IG: https://www.instagram.com/ebourcier
Flagship on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/artist/54CUt2S6hufxE1MTYqVpmT?si=22-FXJa6QXeknpYT78YoiA
Margolnick on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/artist/2pM7xmsP5Whj2ZZzEGQ89O?si=EbqggS6MRbW_fhzGCVaLAw
A Challenger Media House Production
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In the latest episode of 'Second Order Change,' we dive deep into a conversation with filmmaker and entrepreneur Jason Adams. Part two of this discussion covers key topics including the often overlooked importance of trust and alignment with clients, the pitfalls of focusing on superficial metrics such as crew size and equipment, and the value of having a flexible, high-performing team. Jason and the host also discuss the dynamics of maintaining creative integrity while managing client expectations, the tangible benefits of efficient project management, and the critical need for personal artistic expression outside commercial work. This episode provides valuable insights for anyone involved in creative fields, emphasizing the significance of clear, ongoing communication and a focus on the final product rather than the process.
00:00 Introduction: The Least Interesting Details
00:21 Creating Unified Experiences
01:03 Aligning with Clients
01:47 Welcome to Second Order Change
03:18 Effective Team Dynamics
05:27 Balancing Creativity and Practicality
08:08 Navigating Client Expectations
09:20 The Role of Flexibility in Production
21:48 Art vs. Commercial Creativity
35:00 Balancing Creative Vision and Practical Constraints
35:49 The Importance of Team Alignment
38:05 Client Management and Empathy
40:06 Efficiency in Production
41:36 Avoiding Creative Bloat
43:33 The Pitfalls of Overemphasizing Equipment
45:56 Effective Client Communication
54:50 Trust and Flexibility in Budgeting
59:06 The Value of Skilled Crew Members
01:09:21 Conclusion and Reflections
Jason's Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/jas_adams
Evan's Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ebourcier
A Challenger Media House Production.
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In this conversation, Evan Bourcier and Jason discuss the complexities and inefficiencies of production in the film industry. They explore the nature of production bloat, the impact of long work hours on productivity, and the dynamics of client expectations on set. The discussion emphasizes the need for clarity and effective management of time and resources to enhance the creative process while maintaining a balance between cost management and creative integrity. In this conversation, the speakers delve into the complexities of the filmmaking process, discussing the balance between creativity and budget constraints, the importance of storytelling, and the ethical considerations in creative work. They explore how to navigate production challenges while maintaining artistic integrity and the value of understanding different aspects of filmmaking. In this conversation, the speakers delve into the complexities of creative work, discussing the cynicism that can arise from misaligned goals and the importance of maintaining creative integrity. They emphasize the value of flexible teams and the need for clear communication with clients to build trust and ensure successful collaborations. The discussion also touches on the nature of commercial creativity, highlighting the distinction between art and commercial work, and the importance of finding personal fulfillment in creative endeavors. In this conversation, Evan Bourcier and Jason discuss the challenges and frustrations faced by creatives in commercial art. They explore the importance of maintaining a balance between personal artistic expression and professional obligations, emphasizing the need for creative outlets outside of work. The dialogue also highlights the significance of alignment and communication within teams and with clients to foster a productive and enjoyable creative process. Ultimately, they advocate for crafting meaningful work that transcends mere status symbols in the industry. In this conversation, Evan Bourcier and Jason discuss the intricacies of collaboration in creative projects, emphasizing the importance of maintaining a clear vision while navigating client feedback. They explore the challenges of managing creative differences, the necessity of building trust and alignment with clients, and the significance of reputation in the industry. The dialogue highlights the need for effective communication and the value of creative freedom within budget constraints, ultimately advocating for a more collaborative and trust-based approach to filmmaking.
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Chef Allen Campbell is widely known as a leader in the sports nutrition world. Most recently known as Tom Brady’s former personal chef, author of the TB12 Nutrition Manual as well as contributor to the TB12 Method and The Game of Eating Smart. Allen has popularized and revolutionized traditional culinary artistry by maximizing health benefits and sustainability.
Allen created AC Kitchen to be a resource for those looking to achieve maximum health while enjoying delicious, organic food. This unique, small-batch meal service provides a wide variety of seasonal recipes, all made to order from scratch and hand-delivered from Boston to NYC.
Learn more about AC Kitchen at: https://ackitchen.com/
Allen's Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/chefallencampbell/
Evan's Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ebourcier
Edited by Tate Bourcier.
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Today on Second Order Change we're talking to storyteller James Victor.
James and Evan both grew up as church creative lads committed to the path of truth and creative expression, even when that has lead into conflicts with the Dogma they were surrounded in. During this conversation we explore the intersection of faith, fear, and creativity - unpacking the role of stories in the human experience, and their power to heal dogmatic belief systems.
Show Links:
Jame's IG: https://www.instagram.com/probablyjamesvictor
Evan's IG: https://www.instagram.com/ebourcier
Ready to hand off Accounting so you can focus on Creative? You can hop on a No-Pressure Free Discovery Call with Core here: https://www.coregroupus.com/contact-core
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We're back with part 2 of our conversation with Musical artist Mitchel Dae.
Show Links:
Mitchel's IG: https://www.instagram.com/mitcheldae
Evan's IG: https://www.instagram.com/ebourcier
Ready to hand off Accounting so you can focus on Creative? You can hop on a No-Pressure Free Discovery Call with Core here: https://www.coregroupus.com/contact-core
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On this episode of Second Order Change we're talking to Alternative music artist Mitchel Dae about his journey to 450k monthly listeners without a label, which all started during one fateful night in his dorm room where he dropped his sister's guitar.
We talk about finding your voice, building a brand, finding trusted collaborators, keeping things lean, trusting the process, finding producers, and riding a discovery wave.
Show Links:
Mitchel's IG: https://www.instagram.com/mitcheldae
Evan's IG: https://www.instagram.com/ebourcier
Ready to hand off Accounting so you can focus on Creative? You can hop on a No-Pressure Free Discovery Call with Core here: https://www.coregroupus.com/contact-core
Key Topics
Indie ArtistsFinding Your VoiceSpotify DiscoveryGrowing the Seed of an IdeaCreating without JudgementIncreasing Monthly ListenersBuilding a Spotify AudienceMitchel DaeAlternative MusicMusician Brand-BuildingCreating with Depth
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This week on the podcast we're talking to Jeremy Doorn.
Jeremy is my personal accountant and our relationship has changed my business and consequently, my life. We get into Jeremy's experience with how a mental breakdown pushed him to explore running as a release, his un-traditional path into accounting, and some of the biggest lessons he's learned in his time working with creative professionals.
Book a free discover call with Core: https://www.coregroupus.com/contact-core
Jeremy's Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/jdoorn/
Evan's Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ebourcier/
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Today on Second Order Change, we are talking to Mario Fabbri.
Mario is a chef, filmmaker, and entrepreneur who started his journey studying actuarial science—a career path pushed on him by a guidance counselor that he didn’t want. After dropping out of college and betting on himself, Mario dove into entrepreneurship, filmmaking, and eventually food storytelling. Now, he’s a chef dedicated to inspiring others with plant-based content and intentional eating.
In this episode, Mario talks about finding purpose, taking risks, and turning small opportunities into big wins. From learning through wedding videos to firing clients that didn’t align with his values, Mario’s story is packed with lessons on risk-taking, knowing your worth, and following your passion.
Links:Mario's Instagram: www.instagram.com/mariofabbrichef/Mario's Website: www.tryingveganwithmario.com/Evan's Instagram: www.instagram.com/ebourcier/Core Group (Accountant) Free discovery call: https://www.coregroupus.com/contact-core
Topics: Leaving actuarial science for entrepreneurship Early lessons from filming wedding videos Finding purpose through plant-based food storytelling Why firing clients can be the best decision Building a career with a four-year creative plan The role of risk and resilience in successTips for networking and collaboration
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Today on Second Order Change we're talking to Colton Williams about his journey from low-level flyer designer to AVP of Global Brand Creative for L'Oreal. Along the way we explore our shared experience as homeschooled church kids, Deconstruction, Colton's 3 near death experiences, his 8 year stint as a Filmmaker, and so much more.
Links:Colton's IG: https://www.instagram.com/mynameiscolton/
Evan's IG: https://www.instagram.com/ebourcier
Topics:Homeschooling/Christian upbringingRetro video editing/Filmmaking beginningsReligious upbringing, ingrained religious tropes and storiesBattling Cancer at 23Evangelical DeconstructionLessons from near-death experiencesDeconstructing faith and beliefsNavigating divorce and identityEmbracing vulnerability and honesty
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In this episode of Second Order Change, we talk to the incredible David Morin - delving into profound experiences of spiritual awakening, creative self-discovery, and integrating the reality of death into our lives. David shares his journey through a tumultuous period of life of existential dread which lead him to a darkness retreat, and emerging with newfound clarity, creative energy and a new identity - a poet.
The conversation touches on the challenges of honoring difficult experiences without falling into despair, the power of poetry as a transformative tool, and the importance of balancing structure and spontaneity in the creative process. We also explore the broader implications of seeing life as a series of cycles—embracing both its joyous and shadowy aspects. Listen in for a thought-provoking discussion on living wholeheartedly, even in the face of life's impermanence.
Show Links:David's IG: instagram.com/mor.intune
Evan's IG: instagram.com/ebourcier
If you are interested in the Free Financial Workshop! (Dec 7th at 4pm Eastern) Shoot me a DM.
Ready to hand off Accounting? No-Pressure Free Discovery Call: Core Group
Key TopicsSpiritual Awakening
Death as a Teacher
Polarities of Life
Philosophy and Paradoxes of Existence
Past Lives
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In this episode, we dive into themes of personal growth, career evolution, and identity with two unique perspectives—one from the world of professional hockey and the other from a creative career in film. From professional hockey to filmmaking, we dive into the mindset needed to navigate career changes, stay motivated, and find new sources of inspiration. We also discuss the drive to push personal limits, find new passions, and the complexities of navigating high-level creative industries. The episode closes with insights into developing leadership skills, creative freedom, and why understanding the technical nuances of a craft is essential yet can sometimes be overemphasized.
Key Topics:
Self-DiscoveryIdentity and Experience in Professional HockeyTransitioning from a Sports Career to New PassionsNavigating High-Level Careers in Film and CreativityLeadership, Soft Skills, and Confidence in Creative RolesStaying Driven Through Career TransitionsMeditation, Mental Clarity, and Flow StateJoin us as we unpack these themes with humor, honesty, and a shared commitment to growth in and beyond our chosen paths.
More of Jordan:
Instagram: www.instagram.com/joadelic/?hl=enYoutube: www.youtube.com/@atribecalledowensWeb Design: https://www.origincreative.ca/about-us
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Today we're talking to Therapist Jourdan Blue - and you're not going to want to miss it.
JOURDAN BLUE is a licensed Marriage and Family Therapist and the creator of Relationship Theory. She is a direct and results oriented therapist and coach that has worked with thousands of individuals and couples and is known for her ability to completely rewire and change insecure attachment styles permanently. She works with professional athletes and celebrities and also specializes in transforming mindsets, insecurities, and optimizing top performance through her rewiring process. She has traveled the world officiating weddings for her success stories and is on a mission to create more thriving healthy relationships. She believes “It’s not meant to be, It’s made to be” and she wants to ensure everyone has the opportunity to have the life (and relationship) they’ve always dreamed of. In addition to all of this, she teaches therapists her Relationship Theory Model so they can get direct and lasting results for their clients too. Jourdan currently lives in Nashville, TN with her husband Ryan and you can find her online at RelationshipTheory.com
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Filmmaker Stephen Gray recently directed his first feature documentary. It's called After Death, and it's a niche documentary about Near Death Experiences. Most people would aim for a a small festival run and maybe some distribution - Stephen's film opened in 2,600 theaters. In this episode, we dive into the journey from losing his brother in law to making a movie.
Long Live the Dream
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Welcome back to Second Order Change! I'm Evan Bourcier - your host - and today we're delving into the transformative power of creativity and resilience with the remarkable Tracy Bywater. One thing I did NOT mention in the intro is that her beautiful puppy was hanging out with us - so you might hear some background bone chewing going on once in a while.
Key Topics Covered:
Tracy's Journey: Tracy, an artist and recent MEN1 diagnosis survivor, shares her inspiring journey of resilience, creativity, and growth mindset amidst adversity. Hear her powerful perspective on navigating life's challenges, even referring to her body as a "cancer factory."Embracing Vulnerability: Tracy's authenticity and vulnerability in the face of illness serve as a powerful reminder to find light in life's darkest moments.Tracy's resilience and perspective offer unexpected lessons in embracing vulnerability and finding joy amidst adversity, illustrating the transformative power of creativity.Find Tracy on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/bepositiveartist/
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In Second Order Change Episode 8 we talk to Jonathan Bregel.
Audio Version: https://secondorderchange.captivate.fm/listen
Jon's Gram: https://www.instagram.com/jbregel/
Wistia: https://wistia.com/
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In Second Order Change Episode 8 Chris Savage talks about Clunky Technology, the Cluster of Podcasting Remotely, his Journey with Wistia, LiveStreaming, Analyzing Video Analytics, Unrealistic Expectations, Gratitude, and more.
Audio Version: https://secondorderchange.captivate.fm/listen
Chris's Gram: https://www.instagram.com/csavage
Wistia: https://wistia.com/
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In Second Order Change Episode 7 Ash Crawford Flips the script on Evan as they talk about his journey with Church, Therapy, Bullying, our perception of "girls names", Creativity, Coffee, Relationships, business, and so much more.
Audio Version: https://secondorderchange.captivate.fm/listen
Ash's Gram: https://www.instagram.com/ashrcrawford/
Quivr Coffee: https://www.drinkquivr.com/
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