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In this episode of the Getting Smart Podcast, Mason Pashia sits down with Keri Rodrigues, founder and president of the National Parents Union, to explore the power of parent voice in education. From school safety and special education to report cards, trust, AI readiness, and student data privacy, Keri shares why families must be treated as true partners in shaping better learning experiences. This conversation is a powerful reminder that meaningful school change starts by listening to the people closest to students.
Outline (00:00) Introduction (01:32) Keri's Origin Story (07:26) What Parents Are Frustrated About (12:20) School-Parent Communication & Engagement (24:03) Report Cards, Outcomes & Transparency (31:26) Technology, Data Privacy & Duty of Care Links Watch the full video here Read the full blog here LinkedIn National Parents Union -
In this episode of Catching Up, Nate McClennen and Mason Pashia explore the ideas shaping the future of learning and work—from the link between school innovation and enrollment demand to the rise of student influencers as a new form of district storytelling. They also dig into AI's growing role in education, including bias in feedback systems, the homogenizing effect of generative tools, and how AI may free teachers to spend more time on uniquely human work. The conversation also highlights the importance of agency, internships, and real-world learning, while ending with reflections on poetry, humility, and the power of noticing the world around us.
Outline (0:00) Intro & Episode Preview (10:14) Student Influencers (12:51) AI Bias & Homogenization (27:01) Deep Dive: Agency & AI's Role in Education (50:17) What's That Song? Links Watch the full video here Read the full blog here Can Student Influencers Help This District Rebuild Enrollment? Personalized Bias in AI Writing Feedback Percentage of High School and College Students Ages 16 Through 24 Who Were Employed Shut Out: High School Students Learn About Careers but Can't Try One That Pays Student Agency Boosts Engagement and Readiness Agency in America We're About to Get Agency Wrong -
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In this episode of the Getting Smart Podcast, Nate McClennen talks with Liza Garoznik, founder and CEO of Real Discussion, about one of the biggest questions in education today: how do we teach and assess durable skills like communication, listening, and collaboration? Framed by the rise of AI and growing concern about a "conversation crisis," the discussion explores why authentic interaction must be developed alongside artificial intelligence. Liza shares the origin story behind Real Discussion, explains the REAL framework—Relate, Excerpt, Ask, Listen—and offers practical insight into how schools can embed conversation skills into core academics while also measuring student growth, belonging, and engagement.
Outline (0:00) Introduction & Durable Skills Framework (3:40) Liza's Story & Real Discussion Origins (11:23) The Conversation Crisis & Authentic Interaction (21:36) The REAL Framework & Teaching Discussion Skills (26:22) Assessment & Measuring Student Growth (34:19) Practical Tools & Future of Real Discussion Links Watch the full blog here Watch the full video here LinkedIn R.E.A.L. Discussion Liza Garonzik on Teaching Tomorrow's Human Skills Grade Discussion Skills, Not Discussions -
In this episode of the Getting Smart Podcast, Mason Pashia sits down with Joana Ponce and Catherine Alves, featured in Roadtrip Nation's Explore Your Interests, for a thoughtful conversation about passion, purpose, and the messy reality of career exploration. Together, they reflect on how exposure to new people and possibilities helped them rethink the idea of a single "right" path, and why learning to navigate uncertainty may be one of the most important skills young people can build. From journalism and activism to climate work and community-based learning, this episode is a powerful reminder that fulfilling futures are rarely linear—and that sometimes the most important step is simply staying open to what comes next.
Outline (0:00) Introduction & Poetry (2:10) Non-Linear Career Paths (5:14) What Is Roadtrip Nation? (22:09) Passion, Purpose & Career Advice (29:11) What's Next Links Watch the full video here Read the full blog here Roadtrippers' Journeys Roadtrip Nation -
In this episode of the Getting Smart Podcast, Nate McClennen sits down with Dr. Adel DiOrio to explore how school leaders can move from fragmented initiatives to real coherence through knowledge management, transformational leadership, and coaching. Drawing on her research in rural school systems and insights from The Coach's Playbook, Adel shares why documenting what works, building strong relationships, and leading with intention are essential to sustaining improvement over time. From the power of "if you think it, ink it" to the life-changing influence of coaches and leaders, this conversation offers practical wisdom for principals, superintendents, teachers, and anyone working to build stronger, more human-centered schools.
Outline (0:00) Introduction & Guest Welcome (5:56) Adel's Background & Career Path (12:05) Leadership & Building Cohesive Teams (19:07) Knowledge Management Research (24:08) Dissertation Findings & Practical Takeaways (37:51) The Coach's Playbook (47:06) Wrap-Up & Key Takeaways Links Watch the full video here Read the full blog here LinkedIn -
Why do so many promising ideas in education stay stuck in individual classrooms? In this episode of the Getting Smart Podcast, Nate McClennen talks with Rebecca Wolfe about what it takes to turn innovation into lasting system change. From teacher agency and school leadership to accountability and knowledge-sharing, they explore how schools can create the conditions for ideas to spread, scale, and ultimately support learner thriving.
Outline (00:00) Intro & The Problem (12:46) Learning From AVID (24:42) School Leadership & Culture (34:15) The Macro Challenge (41:40) Hope & A Bias Toward Action Links Read the full blog here Watch the full video here LinkedIn -
Every school that has tried to change and failed has done so for the same reason: the system kept producing exactly the results it was designed to produce, and nobody changed the system. What Lake City Area Schools discovered — through honest self-examination, disciplined sequencing, and a refusal to mistake movement for progress — is that real transformation requires a different kind of courage than most improvement efforts demand. Not the courage to launch something new, but the courage to admit that the old system was working perfectly: producing disengagement on schedule, graduating students unprepared on time, and generating just enough compliance to keep the lights on. This is the story of what happens when a district decides that is not enough.
Join Rebecca Midles, Tim Hejnal and Meghan Utech to learn more.
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In this episode of the Getting Smart Podcast, Tom Vander Ark speaks with Stephanie Reisner and Steph Loeck of GPS Education Partners about how work-based learning can transform student engagement, career readiness, and economic mobility. Drawing on 25 years of experience and their new book, Make School Work, they explore what makes work-based learning truly high quality, why employer preparation matters as much as student preparation, and how regional ecosystems can scale meaningful career-connected learning opportunities for more young people.
Outline (00:00) Introduction (08:53) Defining High-Quality Work-Based Learning (11:26) Make School Work: The Book & Framework (21:58) Employer Partnerships & Regional Ecosystems (29:28) Metrics & Advice for Ed Leaders Links Watch the full video here Stephanie Reisner Steph Loeck GPS Education Partners Make School Work -
In this episode of the Getting Smart Podcast, Nate McClennen sits down with Vriti Saraf, CEO of Ed3, to explore a timely and essential question: How do we move from using AI for efficiency to using AI for human flourishing in education? Drawing on Ed3's new research, The Emerging Role of Teachers in the Age of AI, the conversation examines how artificial intelligence is already reshaping teaching, why the future of education must center human relationships, and what new teacher personas—like learning architect, life navigator, and community connector—might emerge in more adaptive, student-centered systems. Together, Nate and Vriti unpack the risks of automation, the promise of redesigned educator roles, and why this moment demands not just better tools, but a bold rethinking of teaching, learning, and equity.
Outline (0:00) Introduction & Topic Overview (4:19) Genesis of the Portrait of a Teacher Project (14:57) AI's Impact on Human Connection & Teacher Relationships (22:23) Future Teacher Personas & Role Specialization (39:30) Hopes for the Future of Education Links LinkedIn Ed3 The Emerging Role of Teachers in the Age of AI -
In this episode of the Getting Smart Podcast, Nate McClennen sits down with Gianna Biaggi, founder and executive director of the Magnolia Project, to explore how schools can treat the community as campus. Together, they discuss how Magnolia Project connects middle and high school students with local mentors through immersive, hands-on learning experiences that build agency, engagement, and career awareness. From rural partnerships to durable skills to the power of reflection, this conversation highlights a compelling model for expanding real-world learning and helping every student imagine a future that fits who they are.
Outline (00:00) Introduction & Expanded Learning (02:01) Gianna's Story: From Teacher to Founder (05:59) Building the Magnolia Project (12:00) The Program Model (21:18) Durable Skills & Student Outcomes (34:06) Lessons Learned & What's Next Links Watch the full video here LinkedIn Magnolia Project Magnolia Project's programs in Tomales Dream BIG: The Power of On-Campus Career Exploration Middle School Visit Day Teacher and Student Panel -
Students at Wellesley High School are helping imagine what learning could look like in 2040. In this episode of the Getting Smart Podcast, Mason Pashia talks with Alty and Anaya, two learners from the school's Evolutions (EVOLS) program, about designing future-ready classrooms, visiting innovative schools, and building skills through hands-on, project-based experiences. From CTE-inspired spaces and collaborative learning environments to student voice and public speaking, this conversation offers a powerful look at what happens when young people are invited to help shape the future of education.
Outline (0:00) Introduction (3:28) What Is Evolutions? (6:54) School Visits & Inspiration (8:40) Designing the Future of Education (23:31) Student Voice & Changing Education Links Watch the full video here Read the full blog here Wellesley High School Student Presentation -
In this episode of the Getting Smart Podcast, Tom Vander Ark speaks with Dr. Deborah Kenny, founder of Harlem Village Academies and author of The Well-Educated Child, about what it means to educate for depth, agency, and purpose in the age of AI. Their conversation explores deeper learning, Montessori, International Baccalaureate, Socratic dialogue, and the kind of rigorous, student-centered experiences that help young people become thoughtful, capable contributors to the world.
Outline (00:00) Introduction (00:39) Meet Dr. Deborah Kenny & Harlem Village Academies (03:17) Redefining Achievement & Key Influences (09:22) Free Inquiry, Humility & Education's Purpose (12:07) Deeper Learning: Montessori, IB & Low-Tech Schools (28:09) Socratic Dialogue, Agency & Hopes for the Book Links Watch the full video here Read the full blog here LinkedIn Book Site Harlem Village Academies -
Nate McClennen and Mason Pashia unpack a wide-ranging set of ideas shaping the future of learning, from AI "hive minds" and youth relationships with AI to portraits of a graduate, durable skills, and real-world learning. They explore what it means to prepare students for a non-routine economy where judgment, collaboration, agency, and ownership matter more than ever. Along the way, they highlight innovative school models, reflect on new research and reports, and consider how education systems can better connect technical skills, human development, and future-ready experiences.
Outline (0:00) Intro (13:13) School Spotlights (20:52) Preparing Students for the Non-Routine Economy (31:34) Durable Skills & Experience Matters Report (37:20) Human Expression (40:56) What's That Song? Links Watch the full video here Artificial Hivemind: The Open-Ended Homogeneity of Language Models (and Beyond) Youth, AI, and the Relationships That Shape Them Good Riddance to Regents Exams? Or Will Ending Them Leave a Void for N.Y. Grads? The Academies Of Hampton Amp Lab at Electric Works The Pearl Arts Innovation Institute Amp Lab at The Refinery 3Rivers Federal Credit Union Banking Internship Humanist Essay Harvard Medical School -
In this episode of the Getting Smart Podcast, Tom Vander Ark talks with Jean-Claude Brizard, CEO of Digital Promise, about the launch of the Center for Learner Pathway Innovations and what it will take to build New Pathways that are truly "unbounded." They dig into the barriers that keep learners from seeing and accessing opportunity (visibility, value, and recognition gaps), why pathways must be co-created with learners and communities, and how credentialing and learner records can better capture skills and verified experiences—from work-based learning to out-of-school learning. The conversation also highlights regional pathway design (including an Alabama cybersecurity example), lessons from P-TECH, and how emerging technologies like AI can support powerful learning grounded in agency, purpose, curiosity, and connection.
Outline (00:00) Introduction (2:30) Barriers & Unbounded Pathways (5:39) Co-Creation & Credentialing (13:58) Cybersecurity Pathway & Alabama (16:07) Powerful Learning & Emerging Technology Links Read the full blog here Watch the full video here TNTP Jean-Claude Brizard Digital Promise -
In this episode of the Getting Smart Podcast, Nate McClennen sits down with author and education advocate Ted Dintersmith to rethink what math should look like in a changing world—especially as AI makes rote procedures less relevant. Together they unpack the limits of test-driven instruction, the consequences of low math and data literacy for civic life, and why classrooms should prioritize estimation, statistics, probability, modeling, and real-world problem solving that builds confidence and curiosity. If we want future-ready learners, math has to move from gatekeeping to empowerment.
Outline (00:00) Introduction & Math Education Background (05:52) Rote Skills vs. Relevant Math (11:21) Standardized Testing & NAEP Scores (17:10) Math Illiteracy & Real-World Consequences (22:57) Calculus vs. Statistics Debate (29:41) AI, the Future of Math Education & Takeaways Links Read the full blog here Watch the full video here LinkedIn Ted Dintersmith Website -
Stephanie Malia Krauss returns to the Getting Smart Podcast for a conversation with Tom Vander Ark about her new book, How We Thrive: Caring for Kids and Ourselves in a Changing World. Together they explore why so many adults and young people feel overwhelmed and depleted—and what it looks like to "rehumanize" school and home by protecting the essentials that help humans thrive. The discussion walks through body, mind, heart, and spirit essentials—from food, sleep, movement, and nervous system regulation to play, wonder, flow, connection, belonging, and contribution—offering practical, research-backed insights for educators, leaders, and parents navigating modern life.
Outline (00:00) Introduction (02:02) The Journey Through Three Books (11:30) Body Essentials: Food, Sleep & Movement (21:38) Mind Essentials: Play, Wonder & Flow (29:32) Heart Essentials: Connection, Love & Belonging (35:18) Spirit Essentials: Celebration & Contribution Links Watch the full video here Read the full blog here How We Thrive LinkedIn -
Learning doesn't happen "in rows," and Kevin Stoller has seen firsthand how the right environment can change everything. In this episode of the Getting Smart Podcast, Mason Pashia talks with Stoller—author of Creating Better Learning Environments and host of the Better Learning podcast—about designing learner-centered spaces that support movement, choice, collaboration, and community connection. They explore why the term "classroom" can limit our thinking, how districts can better align facilities with instructional vision through a "learning space integrator," and what microschools, team-teaching models, and even museums and hospitality design can teach us about the future of learning spaces in an AI-enabled world.
Outline (00:12) Introduction to Learning Spaces (05:09) The Power of Intentional Design (11:26) The Learning Space Integrator Role (18:59) Transforming Existing Spaces (26:30) Inspiration from Beyond the Classroom (30:12) AI, Flexibility, and the Future Links Watch the full video here Read the full blog here LinkedIn Kay Twelve -
In this episode of the Getting Smart Podcast, host Victoria Andrews sits down with student leaders from Northeast Academy for Aerospace and Advanced Technology (NEAT) to explore what happens when a Portrait of a Graduate becomes more than a poster on the wall. Kaylyn Rosado, Connor Mawhiney, and Anna Montero share how student voice shaped their school's learning model—from a student ambassador program and community interviews to classroom practices that build collaboration, empathy, and confidence. The conversation also highlights NEAT's flexible STEM-focused pathways (including aviation, biotech, robotics, coding, and advanced manufacturing), dual enrollment opportunities, and a clear message for school designers everywhere: involve students early, often, and authentically—because agency changes everything.
Outline (00:00) Introduction & Student Introductions (04:06) Student Ambassadors & Community Engagement (09:54) Pathways & Career Exploration (16:55) Personal Growth & Student Development (20:44) Advice for School Leaders Links Read the full blog here Watch the full video here Northeast Academy for Aerospace and Advanced Technologies -
In this episode of Catching Up, Nate McClennen and Mason Pashia explore what's changing in education—and what should change next—through the lenses of infrastructure, accountability, and emerging technology. They discuss a "smart city" view of transportation and connectivity, unpack new research on how parents respond to grades vs. standardized test data, and examine a Florida study on how school choice competition impacts performance. The conversation then shifts to the Future of Tech and Work, including AI agents and the incentive structures shaping major AI companies—ending with a clear call to invest in "relational infrastructure" so that human connection, trust, and agency grow alongside AI.
Outline (00:00) Welcome & Overview (03:23) Infrastructure & Mexico City (08:36) AI Agents & Moltbook (13:37) Parents, Grades & Testing (18:28) School Choice Study (38:26) Bottom-Up Innovation Framework (47:08) What's That Song? Links Watch the full video here Interpreting Performance: Evidence on Signal Weighting in Human Capital Investment In These Districts, Students Get an English Credit for On-the-Job Internships What actually determines AI's impact on humanity? Incentives, value networks, and the forces shaping AI's future. The CHOICE We Make: The Critically Human Skills That Define Our Future Welcome to the Era of Relational Intelligence Can't Get There from Here: A Framework for the Start, Spread, and Scale of Bottom-Up Innovation in Education Low-Earning Degrees Will Soon Lose Access to Federal Loans—Is Yours on the List
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In this episode of the Getting Smart Podcast, host Rebecca Midles talks with Kelly Coffin, superintendent in Farmington Hills, Michigan, about what it really means to "go slow to go fast" in district transformation. Coffin shares how leaders can build trust and capacity through co-design with educators closest to students, stay connected through daily visibility and listening routines, and "test the system" for readiness without defaulting to top-down control. The conversation centers on authentic leadership—grounded in clarity of vision, coherence, and the courage to be vulnerable in public—so teams don't just implement change, they own it.
Outline (00:00) Introduction (04:08) Leadership Evolution (08:35) Daily Leadership in Action (15:15) Building Trust and Capacity (17:18) Advice for New Leaders (28:26) The Bravest Leadership Links Watch the full video here Read the full blog here LinkedIn Farmington Public Schools - Laat meer zien
