Afleveringen
-
For years, Senator Sheldon has been one of Congressâs most relentless climate voices, delivering more than 300 âTime to Wake Upâ speeches on the Senate floor about climate change and the fossil fuel industryâs political power.
Lately, that persistence has taken a more targeted form: pressing the Trump administration over its extraordinary new favors to the oil and gas industry; investigating its decision to exempt Gulf drilling from endangered species protections; and pushing a windfall profits tax on oil companies at a time when Republicans control Congress and the White House.
Whitehouse knows none of it is likely to move through Washington right now. So why does this gentleman from Rhode Island continue this brutal exercise of self-flagellation in the Senate? What is he trying to accomplish? And does he really think that if Democrats were in power, things would be any different?
Thatâs what we wanted to know, and what Emily asked him. So letâs hear from Senator Sheldon Whitehouse.
This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit heated.world/subscribe -
This is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit heated.world
Kate Marvel spent more than a decade at NASA studying the future of life on Earth. Then the Trump administration made that job feel impossible. Marvel, a prominent climate scientist, resigned from NASA last month amid the Trump administrationâs sweeping attacks on federal science. Since Trumpâs second term started, more than 10,000 federal employees with STEM Ph.D.s have left the governmentâmostly through layoffs, firings and buyoutsâand more than 7,800 research grants were terminated or frozen.
In her resignation letterâa masterclass in principled dissentâMarvel wrote that she never expected to voluntarily leave her dream job. However, she wrote, "Iâm leaving because I want to tell the truth."
In our conversation today, Marvel tells the truth about whatâs happening to federal science under the Trump administration. We talk about the work she was doing at NASA before Trump, and why the administration would want to make that work difficult to accomplish. We also talk about one side-effect of Trumpâs attack on science that no one is talking about: The loss of nerd culture, and why that culture is important to democracy.
Then, for paid subscribers, we keep going into one of the most controversial questions in climate science: geoengineering. We talk about what it means to study technologies that could intentionally alter the climate system, and why the collapse of trusted public science makes those future decisions even more dangerous. We also get into our feelings about the state of federal science, and the strategies weâre deploying to not just cope, but fight back.
-
Zijn er afleveringen die ontbreken?
-
Tracy and I go deep about Sheinâs purchase of Everlane, fashion industry greenwashing, and what true sustainable fashion looks like.
This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit heated.world/subscribe -
What is coming when it comes to hantaviruses and climate change? How are they connected? And how could the rapidly approaching Super El Ninoâa phenomenon worsened by climate changeâaffect the spread of hantavirus and other infectious diseases?
Thatâs what weâre going to explore today.
Special thanks to Drs. Kirk Osmond Douglas, James Shepherd, and Angel Desai for sharing their expertise that informed this story.
This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit heated.world/subscribe -
Our good friends at the Popular Information newsletter have calculated the real cost of the Iran War so far: $72 billion for the first 60 days, or about $1.2 billion in taxpayer dollars per day.
The numbers are revealing, in that they show the Trump administration is perfectly capable of finding money when the goal is destruction. But when it comes to protecting Americans from fossil-fueled extreme weather, suddenly weâre told the cupboard is bare.
The Trump administration recently released a proposed budget that would cut NOAA by 26 percent. This proposed $1.6 billion cutâequivalent to about 1.3 days of the war in Iranâwould eliminate NOAA climate, weather, and ocean research labs, zero out grants that help improve rainfall and flood prediction, and cut the Integrated Ocean Observing Systemâour national system for monitoring what is happening in the ocean, where hurricanes strengthen, and where coastal flooding begins. And this comes on top of DOGE-driven layoffs last year that eliminated roughly 880 NOAA jobs, including staff at the National Weather Service.
The stupidity of this is almost difficult to overstate. Because Trump is not proposing to gut NOAA during some calm, stable weather period. Heâs doing it at the very moment forecasters are warning that a potentially dangerous El Niño may be on the way.In today's episode, we talk to Craig McLean, the former acting chief scientist of NOAA, who spent more than 40 years at the agency. McLean recently wrote that the NOAA budget request âis not streamlining. Itâs sabotage.â McLean knows what it looks like when politics corrupts weather science. You might recall, McLean was the NOAA official at the center of âSharpiegate,â the infamous Trump-era scandal in which the president falsely claimed Hurricane Dorian was threatening Alabama, then displayed a forecast map that appeared to have been altered with a Sharpie to make him look right. McLean pushed back after NOAA leadership rebuked its own forecasters for correcting the president, calling for an investigation into whether the agencyâs scientific integrity policy had been violated. McLean was then relieved of his position.
In our interview, McLean speaks about what these cuts would actually do, why NOAA research matters far beyond âthe weather,â what Sharpiegate revealed about scientific integrity under Trump, and why attacking climate science is so dangerous at the exact moment Americans need it most.
This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit heated.world/subscribe -
This is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit heated.world
In our full, subscribers-only interview with Mike Meno, the communications director for the Center for Climate Integrity, we discuss the ins and outs of Big Oil's push for legal immunity, both in and outside the court.
-
Iâve been trying to âdetox my lifeâ from plastic for a few weeks now. In today's episode, we talk about all the ups and downs. Iâll update you all again when I get the results of my pee test back. Make sure youâre subscribed to get it.
In related recent newsâŠ
* Now may actually be a good time to start shifting away from plastic. The American Prospect reports:
Petrochemical prices are spiking to four-year highs as the key ingredients, known as feedstocks, cannot get out of the Persian Gulf. Roughly $20 billion to $25 billion worth of petrochemical products moves through the strait annually, and about 40 percent of exports of polyethylene, used mostly in packaging and containers, came from the Middle East last year. Polyethylene prices are up 37 percent since February, and polypropylene prices are up 38 percent.
* Oregon passed a law to shift more of the costs of plastic onto producers. But producers are fighting back. Central Oregon Daily reports:
The future of Oregonâs Recycling Modernization Act is up in the air after a federal judge said portions of the law may be illegal, and canât be enforced without full argument. On Feb. 6, Judge Michael Simon issued his initial order in the lawsuit that aimed to overturn the law meant to reform Oregonâs recycling system.
* Millions of pre-term births and thousands of infant deaths linked to phthalates: From NYU Langone:
Exposure to a chemical commonly used to make plastic more flexible may have contributed to about 1.97 million preterm births in 2018 alone, or more than 8 percent of the worldâs total, a new analysis of population surveys shows. The chemical was also linked to the deaths of 74,000 newborns, the researchers further estimateâŠ. According to the new work, [phthalate] exposure may have contributed to 1.2 million years lived with disability, a measure of all the years that people have lived or will live with illnesses, injuries, and other health issues caused by being born prematurely.
* New study shows changing your personal care products actually does make a difference. From U.S. Right to Know:
The findings, published in the May issue of Environment International, indicate that switching from conventional personal care products to nontoxic alternatives can rapidly and significantly reduce exposure to harmful chemicals. Even a few changes in only a few days can lower body levels of substances linked to hormone disruption, cancer, developmental problems, and reproductive toxicity, the study shows.
This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit heated.world/subscribe -
Last week, Big Oilâs top-funded Senator Ted Cruz (R-TX) and Representative Harriet Hageman (R-WY) introduced a bill called the Stop Climate Shakedowns Act of 2026. They framed it as a way to âprotect American energy from leftist legal crusades punishing lawful activity.â
What it actually does is give the fossil fuel industry a permanent shield against lawsuits and state laws that seek to hold the industry financially accountable for climate change, and for misleading the public about the catastrophic health, economic and environmental consequences of using their products.
In this episode, I break down what this bill actually does, how it would shut down climate lawsuits across the country, and why the fossil fuel industry is pushing for blanket legal immunity right now. I also walk through the legal arguments their lawyers are using to try to kill these casesâand why those arguments only work if people donât actually read the lawsuits.
Read more and support my work at http://heated.world, or search HEATED in Substack.
This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit heated.world/subscribe -
What are plastics actually doing to our bodiesâand why is so much of the conversation focused on individual choices? In this episode of HEATED, Emily Atkin interviews Dr. Shanna Swan, a reproductive epidemiologist whose research on chemicals in plasticsâlike phthalatesâhas linked them to fertility problems and changes in reproductive development. The conversation is anchored in the new Netflix documentary The Plastic Detox, which follows couples attempting to reduce their plastic exposure in order to conceive. But we go beyond the individual-level âdetoxâ framing to talk about the larger systems that made this problem so widespread.
This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit heated.world/subscribe -
Texas-based journalist Saul Elbein believes solid waste is the most importantâand most overlookedâenvironmental story of our lifetimes.
Yes, he argues, climate change, air pollution, and liquid waste from fracking are crucially important issues. But across Texas and Oklahoma, he says fracking companies have been spreading their potentially radioactive, PFAS-filled solid waste on farmland and near communities, largely without scrutiny, for decades.
Saul told me he sees this as a modern-day Silent Spring: a slow-moving, mostly invisible contamination story hiding in plain sight, one that will only become undeniable once until the damage is already done.
In his latest reporting for The Barbed Wire, that story comes into focus through a whistleblower named Lee Oldham. For years, Lee spread drilling waste across fields in the Dallas-Fort Worth areaâwaste he didnât know was radioactive. Over time, he began to suspect something was wrong. Eventually, Lee says, his teeth began to loosen, and his jaw began to break down.
Itâs a shocking claim that Saul cannot definitively prove was a result of Leeâs exposure to fracking waste. But what he can prove is that, on the very site where Lee once spread that fracking waste, developers built an elementary school where children attend class today. He says the soil has never been comprehensively tested.
In our conversation, Saul walks me through how this happensâhow millions of tons of drilling waste can be legally classified as ânon-hazardous,â spread across land in rapidly developing areas, buried without record, and effectively lost to history. We also talk about what we know, what we donât, and what it would take to hold anyone accountable if those sites turn out to be unsafe.
Finally, we talk about why this might be one of the few climate-adjacent issues that could unite people across political lines.You can listen to our interview at the top of this newsletter or on any podcast app, watch it on Youtube, or read an edited version on Substack.
This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit heated.world/subscribe -
Before the U.S. and Israel launched their war in Iran, the national average for a gallon of gas was $2.94. One month later, gas is now averaging $3.98 a gallonâthe largest one-month jump in U.S. gas prices in the last 30 years.
Setting aside the horrors of the war itselfâmore than 1,000 Iranians have been killed, along with more than a dozen U.S. servicemembersâthe spike in gas prices is doing something climate advocates have been trying to do for decades: making people seriously consider electric vehicles.
Search traffic for electric vehicles was up 20 percent the week following the initial attack on Iran, according to Bloomberg News, with search interest doubling for Tesla Model-Y and Chevrolet Equinox cars. By mid-March, nearly one in four car shoppers were researching electric vehicles, according to Edmunds, a car shopping research platform. Thatâs the highest level of EV interest recorded so far this year.It's not hard to see why. At $4/gallon, the math on switching to an EV starts to look pretty compelling: The average American would spend nearly $2,000 a year on gas, compared to as little as $540 to charge an EV. And itâs never been cheaper to own an EV, especially as the used car market is now flooded with pre-owned zero-emissions vehicles. But interest and action are two very different things. Despite the surge in searches, new EV sales are actually down nearly 27 percent compared to this time last yearâa hangover from the Trump administration's decision to repeal federal EV tax credits last fall. One analyst told the Boston Globe that gas would need to climb above $5 a gallon, and stay there, before most drivers seriously pull the trigger. And there's another reason people aren't making the switch, one that's harder to fix with policy: persistent misinformation.
That's the issue we're tackling on this week's podcast. First, we debunk a couple of the most popular and persistent myths about electric vehiclesâincluding one that half of all Americans currently believe. (ICYMI: feel free to revisit our two-part guide to EV misinformation, published back in 2024, for even more debunking).Then, we sit down with Dr. Christian Bretter, an environmental psychologist from the University of Queensland in Australia, who doesn't just study what people believe about EVsâhe studies why they believe it, and what can actually be done to change their minds. The answer, it turns out, has less to do with facts and more to do with how you deliver them. Emily learned something about her own communication style that she did not love hearing. Listen, watch, or read the transcript below to find out what it was.
The HEATED podcast is a new endeavor, and it only exists because of our community. If you have the means, becoming a paid subscriber ensures we can continue this work.
This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit heated.world/subscribe -
On this weekâs podcast, Tracy and I watch and analyze fossil fuel adsâand we do it with Nayantara Dutta, head of research at Clean Creatives and the lead author of their new report analyzing nearly 2,000 fossil fuel ads from 2020 to 2024. (ICYMI: We covered that report for Tuesdayâs newsletter. Check it out!) You can watch/listen at the top of this newsletter, on Youtube, or on any of your podcast players. But if youâre short on time, here are some of the most common ways fossil fuel ads try to manipulate and mislead us:
* By using the phrase âlower carbon.â It sounds so nice doesnât it! But âlowerâ carbon is not âlowâ carbon. Itâs also not ânoâ carbon. And itâs definitely not ânet zero.â It just means âlower than before.â How much lower than before? And are they really doing it? Who cares! Stop asking so many questions!
* By using the phrase âcarbon intensity.â Oil companies often talk about lowering their âcarbon intensity.â But that doesnât mean theyâre lowering their overall carbon emissions. An oil company can lower the carbon intensity of a barrel of oil, while still increasing its overall carbon footprint because itâs drilling more oil than ever before. And for the most part, thatâs precisely whatâs happening. This is a fancy marketing term designed to mislead.
* By playing up the benefits for local communities. Ads often feature "regular" peopleâworkers, families, neighborsâto make oil companies seem like pillars of their communities. What these ads quietly leave out: the fishing communities, cancer alley residents, and others harmed by the very offshore drilling and refinery operations being celebrated. This form of lying is called âpaltering,â the practice of âusing statements that are technically true, but also leave out critical information in order to mislead people.â
* By using guilt. One ad we watched reminded us that offshore oil workers are out there on the platform every single day, including holidays, keeping your lights on while you sit at home. The implicit message: how dare you criticize us? It's emotional manipulation dressed up as a human interest story, designed to make us feel personally indebted to the oil industry rather than asking hard questions about it.
* By tying oil to ânewâ technology like AI. This is the newest trick in the playbook, and itâs an attempt to position old, dirty fossil fuel infrastructure as new, clean, cutting-edge innovation. But the pitch doesn't hold up. We donât need fossil fuels to power AI. And renewables are already cheaper, more efficient, and more reliable than the fossil-fuel-derived alternatives the industry keeps proposing.
And more! Weâll also be releasing some fun bonus content tomorrow. Make sure youâre a paid subscriber to get it!
This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit heated.world/subscribe -
This is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit heated.world
After our interview with Tom Steyer, Tracy and I decided to take a few minutes to record our immediate reactions. Hereâs that tape!
-
Can a billionaire be trusted to dismantle the system that made them wealthy? California gubernatorial candidate Tom Steyer understand why you might say noâbut he argues he's the guy to break the mold.In our interview, we discuss whether billionaires should exist at all, Steyerâs past investments in fossil fuels, the carbon footprint of billionaire investment portfolios, his proposal to break up Californiaâs electric utility monopolies and lower electricity prices, the dark money campaigns already targeting him, and how heâd use the California governorship to push climate action nationwide. We also talk about our shared trip to the Athabasca tar sands in 2014.
HEATED's previous coverage of billionaires:
* Bill Gates is no friend to the climate. November 2019
* Why Iâm skeptical of Jeff Bezosâs $10 billion climate pledge. February 2020
* Bezos breaks his climate pledge. September 2020
* The stealth climate villains of 2020 (all billionaires). December 2020
* Climate billionaires are our modern-day Columbuses. October 2021, repub October 2023
* The climate case against Elon Musk. November 2022
* Elon Muskâs climate censorship. April 2023
* Surprise! Billionaires arenât solving climate change. November 2023
* Nobel Prize-winning economist calls for climate tax on billionaires. April 2024
* Behind the billionaire climate tax. April 2024
* Elon Muskâs PAC is powered by coal. November 2024
* You already know Elon Musk. You need to know Harold Hamm. February 2025
* The Senate is about to destroy clean energy to give tax cuts to billionaires. June 2025
This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit heated.world/subscribe -
For nearly eight years, Chase Cain covered the most existential threat to humanity for one of the countryâs biggest broadcast networks. But last week, the veteran journalist resigned, citing burnout from near-constant internal fighting to get important climate stories on air. In an exclusive interview, Cain talks about the subtle ways climate coverage is suppressed at NBCânot through explicit directives, but through a thousand small cuts over time. HEATED podcast producer Tracy Wholf, a veteran of both CBS and ABC, shares similar experiences. You can follow Chaseâs independent reporting journey by subscribing to his YouTube channel. You can also find him on TikTok and Instagram.
This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit heated.world/subscribe -
In this new series, weâre going to investigate and explain the powerful, systemic forces driving inaction on climate change. Weâre going to debunk polluter-funded propaganda; call out media complicity; and press people seeking power on what theyâll actually do about the crisis. And thatâs just what we have planned for our first few episodes!
Meet our powerhouse new producer in episode one.
This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit heated.world/subscribe -
Sometimes, being a climate reporter feels like being in a twisted version of Groundhog Day. Every time you think the world has finally moved beyond debating whether climate change is real or fake, you wake up to find that the day has resetâand a white guy with oil money seeking power pushed the button.
Last night, JD Vance pushed the button while thousands of Americans were suffering from one of the deadliest hurricanes in U.S. history. At the vice presidential debate on Tuesday, Donald Trumpâs running mate cast doubt on the âideaâ that heat-trapping pollution heats the atmosphere, calling it âweird scienceâ that he would only accept âfor the sake of argument.â
âOne of the things that Iâve noticed some of our Democratic friends talking a lot about is a concern about carbon emissionsâthis idea that carbon emissions drive all the climate change,â he said. âLetâs just say thatâs true, just for the sake of argument, so weâre not arguing about weird science. Letâs just say thatâs true.â
Vance went on to criticize the Democratic Partyâs climate policies, claiming they wouldnât solve the hypothetical problem of climate change that Vance continually refused to acknowledge, even when pressed again by the moderator. The only environmental problems Vance would acknowledge? "Donald Trump and I support clean air, clean water," he said. Fantastic.
Meanwhile, in actual reality, climate scientists were sounding the alarm about the impact of fossil fuel development on extreme weather events like Hurricane Helene. They said current warm ocean temperatures, which rapidly turned Helene into a massive Category 4 hurricane, were made 300 times more likely by climate change. They also estimated that climate change caused 50 percent more rainfall in Georgia and the Carolinasâa shocking number given the unprecedented 40 trillion gallons of rain.
Only a few days ago, Trump told supporters at a rally that climate change is âone of the greatest scams of all time.â Vance did not take this direct route of denial, likely because it would have seemed insensitive in the face of such destruction from Helene. Heâs trying to seem like the adult in the room.
But Vanceâs comments were the same old Trumpian climate denial, albeit a far more cowardly form. On a national stage, amid unprecedented extreme destruction, Vance was too afraid to tell Americans what he actually believes: That we should stay stuck in this Groundhog Day forever, and allow the window for action to run out of time.
Many news outlets claim to be âindependent.â HEATED actually is. We take no ad money, billionaire money, or foundation moneyâonly reader subscriptions. Help climate journalism say principled and join today!
What else happened in last nightâs debate?
* The moderators thankfully executed a climate fact-check. âThe overwhelming consensus among scientists is that the Earthâs climate is warming at an unprecedented rate,â said CBSâs Norah OâDonnell after Vanceâs comments. But itâs easy to be prepared with a climate basic fact-check when youâve been stuck reliving the same, settled debate for decades.
* Walz acknowledged that climate change is real. Donât you love the bare minimum? The Minnesota governor said that many people know climate change is dangerous, regardless of party affiliation. âThese are not folks that are Green New Deal folks,â he said. âThey are farmers that have seen 500-year droughts, 500-year floods back-to-back.â Walz went on to say that âReducing our impact is absolutely critical,â and touted the job-creating aspects of the Inflation Reduction Act.
* Walz also touted the Biden administrationâs expansion of fossil fuels. The Minnesota governor also doubled down on Harrisâ appeal to moderate voters by promoting the Biden administrationâs expansion of fossil fuels, while failing to acknowledge the role fossil fuels play in causing the climate crisisâmuch less the fact that experts say we need to phase them out. Under Biden, Walz noted, the U.S. is now producing more oil and gas than any country in the world; and Biden approved a record number of oil and gas leases compared to Trump. And Walz added, the U.S. is also producing more clean energy under the Biden administration, which is also true.
* Vance said that the U.S. has the cleanest economy in the world. (It doesnât.) The U.S. emits more carbon dioxide per capita than any other country in the world, including China, and is the second-largest emitter overall (but the largest historic emitter). We also donât have the cleanest economy, which is measured by comparing carbon emissions to GDP. According to that measurement, the U.S. emitted 0.26 kilograms per dollar of GDP in 2022, putting the country squarely in the middle of the road.
* Vance also said that Trump cares about the cleanest air and water. (He doesnât). Vance said that both he and Trump want âthe environment to be cleaner and safer.â During his term in office, Trump rolled back more than 100 environmental protections, including rules governing clean air and water.
* Walz called out Trumpâs proposed $1 billion deal with oil executives. Right at the end of his time, the governor pointed out that Trump met with oil executives and offered to repeal all of the Bidenâs Administrationâs climate policies if they donated $1 billion to his campaign. âWe could be smarter than that,â said Walz. It was perhaps the understatement of the night.
Further reading:
* Trump will attend two fundraisers in oil-rich Texas today. The Guardian, October 1, 2024.
First, he will hold an invite-only lunch in the Permian Basin, the worldâs most productive oilfield. Later, heâll reportedly hold a Houston cocktail party co-hosted by Jeff Hildebrand, who runs Hilcorp Oil and has been a major donor to Trump since 2017.
Last week, Trumpâs vice-presidential pick, JD Vance, also attended two fundraisers thrown by oil industry executives in Dallas and Fort Worth, before being forced to cancel two Georgia fundraisers due to the hurricane.
* JD Vance is one of the top recipients of oil and gas money. Now heâs shilling for their interests. Ohio Capital Journal, September 5, 2023.
J.D. Vance, the wealthy venture capitalist who moved back to Ohio to become a U.S. Senator as a reborn MAGA zealot, owes his deep-pocketed benefactors big time. Chief among them are the titans peddling fossil fuel. Vance was among the top 20 of all recipients of oil and gas donations in the 2022 campaign.
* Ohio reaps benefits from climate law JD Vance repeatedly attacks. New York Times, October 1, 2024.
Despite Vanceâs critiques, residents in his state â including in the senatorâs hometown, Middletown, Ohio â have been big beneficiaries of Bidenâs Inflation Reduction Act. Many local leaders and residents say they do not want to see the new investments, which are already starting to revitalize the local economy, disappear.
Since the billâs passage in mid-2022, companies have announced more than $7 billion in clean energy investments in Ohio, according to an analysis from E2, an environmental nonprofit organization. Only six other states have surpassed that amount, according to the analysis.
Catch of the Day: Did you guys miss Fish? Heâs been out getting pizza. But heâs back now.
Want to see your furry (or non-furry!) friend in HEATED? Send a picture and some words to [email protected].
This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit heated.world/subscribe -
Over the last year, Republicans have begun championing a new and novel environmental cause. Itâs not the air; itâs not the water; itâs not the climate crisis. Itâs refrigerators. Apparently theyâre getting way too efficient.
This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit heated.world/subscribe -
The blueprint for Trumpâs second term envisions deregulating ubiquitous and carcinogenic âforeverâ chemicals.
This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit heated.world/subscribe -
This is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit heated.world
In our full interview with Stacey Abrams, we dive deeper into her personal and professional experience with climate change; details of the electrification incentives in the IRA; the potential challenges with ensuring equity in electrification; and her views on the role of fossil fuels in a net zero future. We also discuss how Abramsâs love of sci-fi influences her imagination of the future.
That full interviewâboth transcript and audioâis available to paid subscribers only. If youâre a free subscriber, the first part of our interview is available for you via audio at the top, and transcript at the bottom.
- Laat meer zien