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Todayâs guest is Will McDonald, co-founder and Chief Product Officer of Miris.
Miris is rethinking how high-fidelity 3D content gets delivered at scale. Their thesis: the future of 3D depends entirely on simplifying distribution.
In that vein⊠we talk about why pixel streaming falls short, how Miris uses volumetric data instead, and why that matters for everything from e-commerce and gaming to robotics and simulation.
Will and I worked together for many years at AWS, so we also dive into lessons learned from Amazonâs customer obsessed culture, what it gets right, and experience of going from big tech back into startups.
If you care about spatial computing and simulation, and where the 3D internet is heading, this oneâs worth the time.
With that I bring you, Will McDonald.
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If you want to understand what it takes to get robots out of the lab and into production, this oneâs for you.
Today, Iâm joined by the cofounders of Bifrost: Charles Wong (CEO) and Aravind Kandia (CTO).
Bifrost is one of the leaders in synthetic data generation and simulation for evaluation. Theyâve built some of the most impressive tools Iâve seen to date for helping robotics developers train, test, and deploy autonomy in the real world.
In this episode, we discuss:
* what most teams still get wrong with simulation
* why real-world data alone is not enough
* why evaluation is becoming the real bottleneck
* how the best teams are closing the infamous sim-to-real gap
* where simulation will be in 5-10 years
These guys are two of the sharpest founders building in robotics right now â and theyâve been at it long before the physical AI hype train. I think youâll find their insights super valuable and rich with signals from the frontlines.
With that, enjoy this episode with Charles and Aravind.
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This was the most unique and fun episode Iâve done in a while, and it starts in a very unexpected placeâŠ
With the art of clowning.
Strange I know, but stick with us, because we quickly connect that world to technology, robotics, and why it holds surprisingly powerful lessons for this moment in time; especially if we want to design intelligent, embodied systems that humans actually want to engage with.
Our guest today is Pasquale DâSilva, CEO of The Illusion of Life, a company building characters and personalities into robots to make them interesting, fun, warm, and worthy of trust.
This all starts with their partnership with Boston Dynamics, where theyâve taken the Spot robot dog and turned it into a character with a real personality, called Spark.
In this chat, we talk about the relationship between humans and machines, and explore all kinds of crevasses, including trust, presence, emotional intelligence, and why artistsânot just engineersâmay be the key to building joyful, human-centered robots.
If youâre curious about the future of humanâmachine interaction, youâre gonna love this one. It will stretch your imagination in all the best ways.
So with that, enjoy this episode with Pasquale DâSilva.
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What if machines could learn the world the way humans do?
Not by crunching data and predicting tokens, but by understanding the world and how it works?
Imagine a robot that doesnât just see a chair, but understands itâ its purpose, its relationship to the table, the way you might pull it closer before sitting down.
Thatâs the world Matt Miesnieks is building.
Matt is the CEO of Primate.AI, a new kind of physical AI company rethinking how machines perceive and interact with reality. His team is exploring what happens when perception stops being a math problem and starts becoming an act of intuition.
Before founding Primate, Matt helped shape the modern era of spatial computing. He co-founded 6D.AI, the company that pioneered the AR Cloudâa real-time 3D map of the world that made digital content persistent in physical space. 6D.AI was later acquired by Niantic, creators of PokĂ©mon Go, where its technology now powers their next generation of AR experiences.
Now, with Primate.AI, Mattâs taking his biggest swing yet: building machines that perceive reality the way we doânot through pixels, but through concepts, memory, and innate understanding.
If 6D.AI gave AR its eyes, Primate.AI is giving machines a mind.
In this conversation, we explore the future of embodied intelligence, what comes after language models, and why understanding the world like a human may be the only real path to AGI.
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Todayâs guests are building one of the most ambitious startups in the entire spatial computing industry.
The company is called RP1, and weâre sitting down with co-founders Sean Mann and Dean Abramson.
On its face, RP1 is the worldâs first true metaverse browser, trying to do for spatial computing what browsers like Mosaic and Internet Explorer did for the web.
But thatâs just the tip of the iceberg.
Beneath the surface, RP1 is so much more... Theyâre building all the infrastructure and protocols required for a truly spatial internetâone where immersive, persistent digital worlds stream on demand, where physical and virtual environments seamlessly merge, and where millions of users can interact in one, shared world, not a bunch of siloâd virtual experiences.
In this episode, we dive into what RP1 actually is, how it scales to millions of users, and why they believe app stores must die.
We also unpack their vision for the core backbone of this future, a Spatial Fabricâa kind of real-time, distributed protocol for the metaverse that manages everything from identity and maps to avatars and live services.
This oneâs technical, philosophical, and wildly ambitious. Letâs get into it.
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This interview is with Alvin Graylin â one of the boldest voices out there today on AI, reimagining civilization in the age of intelligence.
Alvin is the best-selling author of the book, Our Next Reality, which is a super thought provoking exploration of how immersive tech and artificial intelligence are going to reshape every layer of society.
Prior, Alvin spent over a decade on the front lines of the XR industryâbuilding and leading HTCâs VR business in China, and serving as Chairman of the Virtual World Society.
Today, Alvin's on a new mission: to help humanity navigate the AI transitionâresearching, writing, and evangelizing ways to ensure AI serves a greater good and unlocks an age of abundance.
And While Alvin is an optimist, heâs also a realistâand heâs clear that this transition wonât be smooth unless we get a few critical things right.
We talk aboutâŠ
* The real risks of AGIânot just killer robots, but unaligned incentives, unchecked power, and job displacement.
* His call for an âAI Bill of Rights,â and why the U.S. and China must shift from competition to cooperationâperhaps through what he calls a CERN for AI. (worth checking out the link to AI Bill of Rights here)
* And finally, we explore XRânot as a form of escape, but as a tool for empathy, education, and rewiring human behavior at scale.
This conversation is expansive, urgent, and radical. Letâs get into it. Enjoy.
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Todayâs guest is a legend within spatial computing. We're speaking with Philip Rosedale, one of our spaces most renowned pioneers and the visionary founder of Second Life.
Long before the 'metaverse' and 'web3' became buzz words, Second Life was the first, commercially successful, virtual world, with a self-sustaining, digital society where millions could create, trade, and become whoever they wanted to be.
Philip does a lot of podcasts, so I tried to make this one unique.
Call me biased, but mission accomplished. This is easily my favorite conversation of the year.
We explore the enduring magic of Second Life, what it taught him about economics, identity, and why adultsânot just kidsâstill crave virtual connection.
We dive into the deep stuffâhow avatars act as mirrors of the self, why virtual identity can actually reshape real-world behavior, and how platforms like Second Life may hold the key to understanding consciousness itself. We talk about the illusion of self, the Proteus Effect, and what it means to co-create identity in a shared digital world.
And we ask: what happens when AI agents start growing up in these spaces? Could virtual worlds become safe playgrounds for emerging machine mindsâand what might they teach us in return?
We then get philosophical, in all the best ways. We explore:
* Avatars as mirrors of the self
* How virtual identity can reshape real-world behavior
* What happens when AI agents start growing up in these spaces? Could virtual worlds become safe playgrounds for emerging machine mindsâand what might they teach us in return?
So, definitely strap in for this one and enjoy, its wonderfully wide-ranging, it's mind bending, and it's most importantly, full of soul...
With that, I bring you Philip Rosedale.
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Itâs time for some straight talk.
No hype, no press release optimism, no corporate spin. Just two guys with some scar tissueâand a lot of historyâtalking about whatâs really happening in the world of spatial computing/XR.
In this episode, I sit down with Kharis OâConnellâformer design leader at AR headset startup: Meta (the original Meta), Google, and Amazon.
Kharis has been in the XR arena since before the game began. From early experiments with Nokia's Point & Find in 2007 to helping define zero-learning-curve design principles at (OG) Meta, heâs seen the promise, the collapse, and the recycled hype cycles firsthand.
But this isnât just a walk down memory lane.
Itâs a reckoning.
Kharis recently left the XR industry. Heâs no longer building AR glasses or pitching immersive futures to execs in Silicon Valley boardrooms. And thatâs what makes this conversation special. Heâs honest. Candid. Unfiltered. Itâs the kind of clarity you only get once youâre no longer trying to raise funding or ship a prototype.
Reasons to listen:
* If youâre in the spatial computing space and having doubts
* If youâve ever wondered why AR hasnât had its iPhone moment
* If youâre building in this space and unsure whether to keep going
We cover:
* The philosophical vision behind the original Meta and why it failed
* Why âzero learning curveâ design is mostly a myth
* What really happened at Googleâs stealth AR program (and why it shut down)
* The failure of imagination across todayâs use cases (yes, cooking demos again)
* Whether Apple Vision Pro was our âiPhone momentâ (spoiler: it wasnât)
* How the obsession with technology becomes an echo chamberâand how Kharis broke out
* The one big question every builder should ask themselves: Who is this forâand at what cost?
This episode wonât give you all the neat answers. But it will definitely give you better questions.
And if youâre like meâstill carrying a flicker of belief that this tech can nourish the soul, not just the shareholderâthen maybe thatâs enough to keep going.
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Medium Energy is now Dream Machines, narrowing the focus on the most powerful force in technology today: the convergence of spatial computing and AI.
These tools are two sides of the same coin. Problem is... most people don't realize how and why. Nor do they realize what it means for their business, their careers, their children, their relationships, the list goes on.
This newsletter/pod will change that.
You see... Spatial computing has been misunderstood.
It's far more than just AR/VR headsets and the 'metaverse'.
Spatial computing is about any machine/device that can see, interact, and localize itself in the real world: this includes AR glasses, robots, drones, and self driving cars.
It also includes data, of an incredibly important kind... spatial data, i.e. data with an X-Y-Z coordinate, or what I like to call... 'world data' representing people, places, and things.
For decades, much of this data has lied dormant. Despite being immensely valuable, it's been woefully hard to access and to use. This ranges from 3D data (CAD, point clouds), to sensor data (IoT), to visual data of all types (photos, videos, scans)
But now, the terrain is shifting, and this data has an all new raison d'ĂȘtre...
AI is now supercharging spatial computing, and spatial is returning the favor â giving AI a body (robots), a perspective (3D computer vision), and a way to hear, navigate, and interact with the world (AR glasses).
Of most importance, it will give AI real world agency, and ultimately, the feedback loop needed to unlock the holy grail: AGI (artificial general intelligence).
At which point, the machines will dream, while helping humanity realize many of its dreams along the way.
As such, Dream Machines isnât just a nod to the power of spatial + AI. Itâs your window into all the ways the boundary between imagination and reality is about to collapse.
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Todayâs episode is an inspiring ride through the future of medicine, healing, and human potential.
My guest is Dr. Walter Greenleaf, a legend in the world of virtual reality and healthcare. For nearly 40 years, Walterâs been building and studying how immersive tech can treat PTSD, chronic pain, anxiety, addiction, and even rewire how we think and feel.
Walter's primary role today is within Stanford Universty, where a Direector within Stanford Medical Mixed Reality center, and the resident AR/VR expert within ther Virtual Human Interaction Lab. His work sits at the cutting edge of neuroscience, immersive design, and digital wellnessâand heâs advised countless startups and health systems on how to bring these technologies into the real world at scale.
In this conversation, we go deep on...
- the rise of emotionally intelligent technology
- the science of neuroplasticity, how VR can train us to be more mindful parents or more compassionate teammates
- how it might soon work alongside psychedelics, AI, and even becomes a tool to explore our future selves.
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I recently sat down with Ashley Crowder, CEO of VNTANA, on her podcast Connected in 3D. We discussed all things at the intersection of spatial computing, digital twins, and AI, and where this convergence is heading within the enterprise space.
We coveredâŠ
* Why spatial computing is more than just headsetsâitâs any system that sees and simulates the world
* The real reason most companies are stuck in pilot purgatory
* What a âspatial data planeâ is and why companies need one
* How AI + 3D data unlocks powerful new use casesâfrom training robots to designing factories
* And why I believe generative UI will be the breakthrough that makes this all mainstream
If youâre interested in using digital twins, immersive tech, or AI to make better decisionsânot just more noiseâthis oneâs worth a listen.
And if you enjoy, please do give us some stars on your favorite podcast player, and please consider sharing with a friend or two! Really helps us spread the good word :)
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How much of your life is spent staring at a screen?
Probably more than you care to admit.
Now imagine, all that distraction and friction disappearing. No more scrolling, typing, tapping. No more barriers between you and the information you need. No more heads down moments, getting lost in an array button, menus, and icons, breaking the flow of conversation and connection.
Instead, AI gets unleashed from tiny text boxes. It greets you as a companion in the real world, enhances your day without distracting from it, and moves us from a world of fixed, flat UIâs to generative, spatial UIâs, adapting based upon what weâre doing, who weâre with, and where we are; perhaps even how weâre feelingâŠ
Thatâs the world a new startup called LIBBA is building; a world in which AR glasses and AI fuse to transform human-computer interaction, and our relationship with technology.
In this episode, weâll jump 5-10 years into the future to explore the human experience once LIBBA accomplishes this mission.
How do we get there? Where are we now in the technology adoption cycle? And in classic Medium Energy fashion, we explore the philosophical questions behind this degree of merging the digital with the physical, and ask: how do we ensure that this future makes us more humanânot less?
To help answers these questions, I bring you Nir Daube, CEO of LIBBA.
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Weâre closing out the year with a special oneâŠ
As most of you know, part of the Medium Energy mission is to explore what it means to be human in the age of exponential technology.
If that question interests you, this conversation absolutely delivers.
Weâre peeling back the layers of the human psyche and exploring the future of emotional and psychological well-being. At the heart of the conversation is the power of curiosity.
Weâve all felt curiosity. But letâs be honestâhow many of us truly know how to harness it as a tool to improve our lives?
To help us do exactly that, we're speaking with Todd Kashdan, a renowned psychologist and one of the worldâs top authorities on not just curiosity, but also on the psychology of well-being, psychological strength, mental agility, and social relationships.
Todd is also one of my favorite authors, with numerous books that have reached millions of people. What sets his work apart is that he doesnât just study human behavior; he dissects it, challenges it, and rebuilds it from the ground up. In doing so, heâs developed some rather contrarian takes, all of which I think are spot on. And Iâm not the only one⊠his research is starting to blow up. He's been featured in major outlets like Harvard Business Review, The New York Times, Fast Company, Forbes, and the Hidden Brain podcast. And if thatâs not impressive enough, Todd ranks in the top 1% of cited scientists worldwide, with over 225 published articles and more than 48,000 citations.
So buckle upâthis is a special episode with a special thinker. And spoiler alertâIâm already looking forward to doing a Part II, as we uncovered so many more ideas to unpack
With thatâŠ. enjoy this first conversation with Todd Kashdan.
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Welcome to our quarterly market update for Q3 2024, with Hatem Dhiab, Managing Partner at renowned investing firm, Gerber Kawasaki.
In this series, we share our observations & leanings from the most recent quarterly earnings calls. The goal of this series is to help you stay calibrated to the latest market & investing trends.
This conversation kicks off with an exploration of modern investing strategies and psychology (hint: I think traditional market theory is erroding, and the traditional strategies are breaking down)
We then focus on where value might accrue next in the AI stack, and cap off with a debate around Bitcoinâs resurgence and role in the financial system.
As always, this is not investing advice. DYOR! (Do Your Own Research).
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Alright folks, we're taking a different tack with this episode.
Weâre diving into some more⊠soulful topics, while also getting rather personal and vulnerable.
Part of our core thesis at Medium Energy is that exponential technologies like Spatial Computing and AI⊠these are democratizing tools. Theyâre going to help more people climb the proverbial ladder that is Maslowâs âHierarchy of Needsâ, all the way to that top rung, i.e. the mystical notion of self-actualization, or the idea of becoming who we're meant to be, finding our purpose, and fulfilling potential...
Now I know sometimes the pursuit of these things can get a bit woo woo. But in this episode, we keep it practical and tactical.
To do so, we're talking to Tommy Sobel, an impressive entrepreneur with a business and a coaching practice focused on digital wellness, digital habits, and most recently personal & career development.
Tommyâs created a great formula for uncovering what many people call their 'zone of geniusâ, and upon hearing about it, we went a bit off script. I couldnât help but ask Tommy do a live coaching session with me right there on the spot, just like he does for his clients. So you're welcome, you're effectively getting a free session here of immense value yourself ;-)
So perk up and get ready to take some notes. This one is full of all kinds of golden nuggets that I'm going to certainly put into practice, and that I think you will find useful as well.
So without further adieu, I bring you Tommy Sobel.
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Todayâs episode is as sci-fi as it gets.
We're exploring the complete merging of man and machine via spatial computing and BCIs (brain computer interfaces); a combo that will give us the ability to control machines with our minds.
And yes, this stuff is way more real and way more imminent than you think.
To explore the topic, we're diving into a company at the cutting edge of this frontier.
The company is called uCat (strange I know, but youâll see why), and this conversation is with their Founder/CEO, Sam Hosovsky.
Sam has an incredible vision, and believe it or not, its very human centric and altruistic. Upon listening, I think youâll see that this future doesnât have to be as dystopian/Black Mirrorâish as some thinkâŠ
To explore how and why, we start by exploring all the new innovations that need to exist, including:
* New types of AI to interpret neural signals
* New types of software to translate those neural signals
* New forms of avatar technology to map neural signals to a virtual body, such that we can have complete agency in virtual space.
We also discuss who this will be for, how they will benefit, and of course (in classic Medium Energy fashion) we get philosophical, exploring what this means for the human experience and what daily life might look like when it is real.
So buckle up. This one is mind expanding in the most literal way.
Without further adieu, I bring you Sam, aka âSaborgâ, Hosovsky.
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If you're interested in how to build a more immersive and experiential internet (aka the spatial web), than this is your episode
We're interviewing an old friend and old colleague, Felix Herbst
Felix the CEO and co-founder of Needle, which has the most impressive suite of tools I've seen to date for building web-native, spatial applications.
For years now, the web has been highly sought after by the 3D and XR developers. But its been difficult to build web apps that are as compelling as their client side counterparts, which are built with powerful game engines like Unity and Unreal. These game engines have historically produced much better levels of animation, rendering, simulation, and interaction.
But with Needle, that's starting to change...
Felix and I know each other from the OG Meta days (the AR startup, not Facebook 2.0). When he left, I told myself, thatâs a guy I need to stay in touch with. Heâs going to go on and do something special.
I failed to stay in touch, but lo and behold, I recently bumped into Felix at aconference. And to no surprise, heâs on to something big⊠attacking one of the most important problem spaces within our domain; making it easy to build compelling 3D & spatial websites.
The long term vision? The Squarespace or Wix for 3D.
In my opinion, until something like this exists, this notion of the metaverse will remain hypothetical.
With all that said⊠whether youâre a business leader looking to build a more engaging website, or a 3D developer looking for better ways to build for the web, I think you're gonna really enjoy this one
So strap in, get ready to take some notes, and enjoy this episode with Felix Herbst.
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This is Part II of our mini-series with prominent bitcoin investor, thinker, and creator, Marty Bent in which we chart the necessary path towards âBitcoin Enlightenmentâ, aka the phases of knowledge required to fully appreciate Bitcoin's purpose and potential.
The goal of this series is to address Bitcoin's marketing problem as one of the most misunderstood yet important technologies in common parlance today
If you've not listened to Part I, I'm going to refrain from shouting at you emphatically, and just say with complete patience and kindness... Press pause and go give Part I a listen. It was truly an awesome convo. We discuss the first 5 phases out of 7 and cover off on the 'what & why' of bitcoin
Here in Part II, we focus more on the 'how' and hit some of the more technical aspects that Bitcoin special & unique.
We also discuss:
- Marty's views on the Future of Media & Podcasting
- How he's going to run his media company on a Bitcoin standard
- His experience and foresight in running the largest bitcoin only investment firm, and the type of bets they are making.
So strap in, put on your slightly more technical hat, and enjoy this episode with Marty Bent
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Despite being around for a while now, bitcoin remains woefully misunderstood.
Itâs alarming to me how many people still roll their eyes at the topic. Yet, more often than not, these same people havenât made any effort to understand why Bitcoin exists, what problems it solves, and why its useful.
This is especially alarming considering the current fiscal and economic environment we're in (as I discussed in this essay here: Why Bitcoin (Really) Matters)
So, to tackle said marketing problem, there's few people in the world more qualified than our guest, Marty Bent. He's one the most renowned thinkers, investors, and creators in the Bitcoin space, and he has quite the pedigree...
Throughout this conversation, we package up all this knowledge into what we believe are the necessary steps, or âphases of knowledgeâ, required to fully appreciate Bitcoin's purpose and potential.
Perhaps Iâll call these phases the path, or at least a path, to âBitcoin Enlightenmentâ.
We broke this convo into a two-parter. Here in Part I, we cover steps 1-5 (out of 7) towards enlightenment. This includes:
1/ Understanding the Problem (aka the water we swim in, which I cover in depth in this essay here)
2/ Recognizing that we're being deceived
3/ Grasping what sound money is and isnât
4/ Seeing the financial incentive & game theory at play, and
5/ Understanding the role of energy in both bitcoin and the wider energy grid
So if you're new bitcoin, prepare to expand your mind and start thinking a bit different. And if you're a bitcoin veteran, sit back and enjoy the unique musings of no other than Marty Bent.
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This episode was a huge milestone for the podcast and a major personal goal, which was to interview Matthew Ball, author of the renowned best-selling book, âThe Metaverseâ.
If you want a quick and robust download on the latest/greatest in immersive tech + spatial computing, this is as good as it gets...
Matthew is one of (if not the) worldâs most esteemed experts on the metaverse and spatial computing (AR, VR, immersive 3D).
In todayâs show, we discuss the revised and updated version of Matthewâs book, coming out in mid-July. The new title is âThe Metaverse: Building the Spatial Internetâ.
This isnât your typical ârevised editionâ. About 70% of the content is entirely new.
I mean⊠what testament to how fast this space is moving! For this level of update to be so necessary, and so worthwhile, all within just two years, is kind of crazy.
But it makes sense. So much has happened since, from the acceleration of AI, NVIDIAâs meteoric rise, the Apple Vision Pro, the competitive tension with Meta, the crypto bubble bursting and bouncing, the list goes on.
And in this conversation, we cover all of it, including:
* Matthew's more philosophical views on the space.
* The updates to the new book and how this market is evolving
* The âadjacent possibleâ at the intersections of AI and Blockchain
* Digital twins + simulation + AI
* The future of identity
* The most important question society should be asking itself at this moment in time
We also ask Matthew, if he was starting a company today, where/how would he be focusing?
And at the end, we play a fun game to put Matthew's skills as a strategist to the testâŠ
So if the broader evolution of the internet interests you, and if your curious how to take advantage, then strap in and perk up; this is a special one with one of the most renowned, most thoughtful, and most nuanced thinkers in the entire industry.
With that I bring you, Matthew Ball.
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