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Kelly and Doug Nichols and their two daughters are, seemingly, your normal all-American family. Kelly grew up on a farm in rural Illinois; she has a strong faith and even stronger family values. She and Doug met when the pair were in their early twenties, dated for four years, and then got married. Doug worked in IT, while Kelly enjoyed a long and happy career as a dental hygienist, respected and loved by her patients and by the community.
As the family grew, they did all the things young, busy families do. They went on adventures and holidays, the girls played sports, and they attended church every Sunday. And, like almost all families, they documented the years through pictures and videos, especially of their two young daughters. Treasured family memories. Memories that would one day land them both in prison, arrested, tried and convicted of possessing and producing child pornography.
It all started when allegations were made against Kelly's husband, Doug. Allegations he denies. Allegations we cannot go into, as they are still making their way through the court system. These allegations had nothing to do with Kelly, but they would be the catalyst for what came next.
As part of the complaint, the person making the allegations told police that if they took Doug's phone and computer, they would find evidence to back up her claims. So they did. But they found nothing. What they did find, however, while searching through the computer and phone, was those very family memories: thousands of pictures and videos of the two kids. As police went through the files, they said they found what they deemed to be images and videos of a sexual nature.
They took what they had found to a grand jury, and very quickly this supposedly normal all-American family were having their lives dissected and pulled apart online, their faces plastered across the internet under headlines like "Decatur Couple Arrested on Child Porn and Sex Charges."
This is a case where we can truly say: it could happen to you.
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Kelly and Doug Nichols and their two daughters are, seemingly, your normal all-American family. Kelly grew up on a farm in rural Illinois; she has a strong faith and even stronger family values. She and Doug met when the pair were in their early twenties, dated for four years, and then got married. Doug worked in IT, while Kelly enjoyed a long and happy career as a dental hygienist, respected and loved by her patients and by the community.
As the family grew, they did all the things young, busy families do. They went on adventures and holidays, the girls played sports, and they attended church every Sunday. And, like almost all families, they documented the years through pictures and videos, especially of their two young daughters. Treasured family memories. Memories that would one day land them both in prison, arrested, tried and convicted of possessing and producing child pornography.
It all started when allegations were made against Kelly's husband, Doug. Allegations he denies. Allegations we cannot go into, as they are still making their way through the court system. These allegations had nothing to do with Kelly, but they would be the catalyst for what came next.
As part of the complaint, the person making the allegations told police that if they took Doug's phone and computer, they would find evidence to back up her claims. So they did. But they found nothing. What they did find, however, while searching through the computer and phone, was those very family memories: thousands of pictures and videos of the two kids. As police went through the files, they said they found what they deemed to be images and videos of a sexual nature.
They took what they had found to a grand jury, and very quickly this supposedly normal all-American family were having their lives dissected and pulled apart online, their faces plastered across the internet under headlines like "Decatur Couple Arrested on Child Porn and Sex Charges."
This is a case where we can truly say: it could happen to you.
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Kelly and Doug Nichols and their two daughters are, seemingly, your normal all-American family. Kelly grew up on a farm in rural Illinois; she has a strong faith and even stronger family values. She and Doug met when the pair were in their early twenties, dated for four years, and then got married. Doug worked in IT, while Kelly enjoyed a long and happy career as a dental hygienist, respected and loved by her patients and by the community.
As the family grew, they did all the things young, busy families do. They went on adventures and holidays, the girls played sports, and they attended church every Sunday. And, like almost all families, they documented the years through pictures and videos, especially of their two young daughters. Treasured family memories. Memories that would one day land them both in prison, arrested, tried and convicted of possessing and producing child pornography.
It all started when allegations were made against Kelly's husband, Doug. Allegations he denies. Allegations we cannot go into, as they are still making their way through the court system. These allegations had nothing to do with Kelly, but they would be the catalyst for what came next.
As part of the complaint, the person making the allegations told police that if they took Doug's phone and computer, they would find evidence to back up her claims. So they did. But they found nothing. What they did find, however, while searching through the computer and phone, was those very family memories: thousands of pictures and videos of the two kids. As police went through the files, they said they found what they deemed to be images and videos of a sexual nature.
They took what they had found to a grand jury, and very quickly this supposedly normal all-American family were having their lives dissected and pulled apart online, their faces plastered across the internet under headlines like "Decatur Couple Arrested on Child Porn and Sex Charges."
This is a case where we can truly say: it could happen to you.
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Kelly and Doug Nichols and their two daughters are, seemingly, your normal all-American family. Kelly grew up on a farm in rural Illinois; she has a strong faith and even stronger family values. She and Doug met when the pair were in their early twenties, dated for four years, and then got married. Doug worked in IT, while Kelly enjoyed a long and happy career as a dental hygienist, respected and loved by her patients and by the community.
As the family grew, they did all the things young, busy families do. They went on adventures and holidays, the girls played sports, and they attended church every Sunday. And, like almost all families, they documented the years through pictures and videos, especially of their two young daughters. Treasured family memories. Memories that would one day land them both in prison, arrested, tried and convicted of possessing and producing child pornography.
It all started when allegations were made against Kelly's husband, Doug. Allegations he denies. Allegations we cannot go into, as they are still making their way through the court system. These allegations had nothing to do with Kelly, but they would be the catalyst for what came next.
As part of the complaint, the person making the allegations told police that if they took Doug's phone and computer, they would find evidence to back up her claims. So they did. But they found nothing. What they did find, however, while searching through the computer and phone, was those very family memories: thousands of pictures and videos of the two kids. As police went through the files, they said they found what they deemed to be images and videos of a sexual nature.
They took what they had found to a grand jury, and very quickly this supposedly normal all-American family were having their lives dissected and pulled apart online, their faces plastered across the internet under headlines like "Decatur Couple Arrested on Child Porn and Sex Charges."
This is a case where we can truly say: it could happen to you.
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Rob Rosen is a veteran investigative journalist with more than thirty years of experience. He was the Executive Producer, creator, and showrunner of the investigative, true-crime series Reasonable Doubt a show thats had featured a few of the men and women that we have spoke to on One Minute Reamining.
Rob has just released his new book Crimes of Omission
Exposing why the media refused to tell the whole truth about the anti-police movement.
Truth is supposed to be a journalist’s north star. But during the 2010s, the fourth estate lost its way, abandoning reporting for straight-up activism.
In Crimes of Omission, Rob will reveal the full story of the high-profile cases of law enforcement violence that rocked the world.
Through dozens of exclusive interviews, this book transports readers inside the nation’s most influential newsrooms at those crucial moments when the people we trust to inform us chose instead to mislead and inflame.
Crimes of omission aren’t about what is reported—they’re about what’s left out. Discover the disastrous decisions that ripped a nation apart and shattered the credibility of a once noble profession—and prepare to question everything you thought was true.
He joins me today for a chat about some of the cases we have both covered, those that left a lasting impression and of course his new book which you can get here
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Well, here we are at the end of our journey through the United States, but not before we do one last important thing, and that's finally meet a man whose story we started telling three years ago.
When I first decided to head to the US, I knew that I wanted to get inside a prison to be able to shake hands with someone whose story had affected me a lot. Now, of course, that list isn't short, but right near the top of that list was the story of Tariq Maqbool.
From the very first letter we connected, and from there our friendship has grown, and we have been on quite the journey with Tariq. So my last stop on my trip was to New York City, just across the water from New Jersey. Tariq was being held in East Jersey State Prison, a prison that has stood since the 1800s, and today was the day I was going inside its walls.
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Todays episode is again vastly different and more of a vlog of my travels to Chicargo and arriving in NYC. I hope you're enjoying these very dofferent episodes to what we normally do! we will return to a brand new case very soon.
In today's episode we fly from Louisiana to Chicago to visit the Voice of Reason. Things get off to a shaky start due to a severe storm and a missed connection, but we soon make it to town.
Michael picks me up from my hotel and we take a drive through Chicago, head to his office to record, then it's on to another podcast recording with a show he moonlights on, before the ultimate all American experience as we head to a baseball game.
After my short visit with Michael, it's back on a plane and off to the Big Apple, where I get myself prepared for my first ever visit to a prison to visit Tariq Maqbool.
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Today is the final episode of my time in Louisiana, brought here by the story of Dwight Bergeron, a man who had his life taken from him for a crime he has always maintained he is innocent of — but of course, as you know by now, he isn't the only one who says he's innocent. Louisiana was the first official stop on my tour after a quick visit to Las Vegas. It was my first time visiting a family whose story I had featured, a family that has had a truly traumatic life.
A mother and father sent to prison for a crime they didn't commit, four children who were used and manipulated by adults to put them there, and who have spent the past three decades trying to right that wrong. And although their mother is now home, and has been for some time after having been scared into taking a deal, Dwight, the main focus of our series, is still incarcerated, and at this point will be for potentially the remainder of his life unless the system that placed him there sees sense to take another look at this case.
So when this story was first brought to me, I was extremely sceptical. If you just take the headline of this case and what these parents were accused of, it makes your skin crawl. When I first started this series four years ago, I was often asked if there was anyone I wouldn't talk to, and my answer was always the same. Yes, anyone accused of a crime against a child, especially if that crime was sexual in nature, and this one was quite possibly as bad as it gets. However, there was one thing that changed my mind: a letter, a letter written by a young girl, now a woman, a woman pleading for help, pleading to be heard, pleading for her father's life.
When I first took on the story, I was told that although Becky was absolutely on board with the telling of the story and me exposing everything that had been done in order to get her parents convicted, she personally did not want to take part and be interviewed for the series. Becky has spent the better part of over 30 years telling and retelling this story, mainly to multiple sets of lawyers. She has lived with the guilt of her parents' conviction basically her entire life. The subject matter and story are not only traumatic to relive but also embarrassing, people, as we all know, can be cruel and highly judgmental. And now, a woman with children of her own, as much as she wants to get her father home and clear her parents' names, she also has her own mental health and her children's lives to consider, and she understandably didn't want to be placed into the spotlight of the story.
During the telling of Dwight's case, Becky and I spoke a couple of times via Facebook messaging. I had a few questions and points I wanted to clarify, and she was always more than happy to help, but that's as far as it went. However, when she found out that I was thinking about making one of my stops on my trip Louisiana, she told Janet, Dwight's partner, that she would like the opportunity to meet with me, and of course I was very happy for the opportunity. So after our visit to Angola that evening, we headed off for a Chinese meal and a chat with Becky.
The following day it was time to leave, but before I did, Janet, Dwight's partner and biggest advocate for the past 14 years, wanted to clear the air and release the names publicly of those still alive who she says know what happened in this case and know that Dwight is an innocent man.
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Welcome back to my first ever trip to the United States!
In today's episode I head out in the car with the partner of Dwight Bergeron to make the over 2 hour drive to the Angola State Prison. Along the way I read more files from the case against Dwight, mostly the files made by the child psychologist who spent countless hours with the children in the lead up to Dwight's trial. After the trial, well, it all just stopped, but why?
Once we make it to Angola, although we can't go inside, we do have a very sobering experience walking through the prison's museum which sits just outside the front gates. I step inside a replica cell, see relics from past prison escapes, check out a wide variety of incredibly terrifying prison made weapons and come face to face with Old Sparky. The electric chair that saw the death of 87 prisoners.
This was certainly a very sobering experience.
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In today's episode we pick up the story of my trip to the United States, just prior to me heading off. The plan for the trip is to hopefully get myself into at least one prison facility, and it looks like the only one I even have a shot at getting into is the East Jersey State Prison, which is currently housing Tariq Maqbool, so I jump on the phone with his cousin who is set to help me get through the gates.
Once we have that sorted it's time to officially kick off the trip as I head to Sydney for the first ever Australian Audio Awards, where, well, I have a slight equipment issue before making my way to the bright lights of Vegas to attend the annual CrimeCon convention and for another award nomination. I find myself on a table of heavy hitters and get lost... a lot!
After my stop in Vegas it's then time to make my way to the state of Louisiana to find out more about the case of Dwight Bergeron.
So don't forget to pack your toothbrush! It's time for our first trip Stateside.
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So I am currently doing my mini tour of the USA where I am stopping in Las Vegas, Louisana, Chicargo and New York.
Today we have made it to Chicargo where I am spending the day with the man they call the Voice of Reason, Michael Leonard. Michael has been with me on this ride since our very first case and has become your favourite as he disects the cases we find and gives us his expert opinion as a lawyer of over 35 years.
Today we are not talking about an OMR case instead we are taking your questions. Before I left for the USA I posted in the OMR facebook group asking for your questions and so here they are!
Hope you enjoy!
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We recently wrapped up the stories of Tasha Shelby and Marsha Mills, two women who are facing the rest of their lives behind bars because of what we now know as 'Junk science'. These cases are so similar its scary! No other evidence suggests they had anything to do with the deaths of the children in these cases, nothing excpet the word of so called experts and in the case of Tasha Shelby even the expert says he got it wrong.
As we do after each case we sit down with Michael Leonard 'The Voice of Reason' to find out what he thinks of what he has heard, will he belive in their innocence or has he heard something I missed? Lets find out in our first ever in person case discution.
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I first sat down with Dusty when he was still inside a Virginia prison, more than three decades into an 82 year sentence for the 1995 murder of Jennifer Evans in Virginia Beach. It's a crime he has always said he did not commit, and one his Navy SEAL swim buddy, Billy Joe Brown, later confessed to carrying out alone.
Since that first interview, we've followed every twist. The historic 3 to 2 parole board vote in January. The morning of 5 March 2026, when Dusty finally walked out of Greensville Correctional Center after 30 years and seven months inside. And then, just seven weeks later, the news none of us were expecting: on 21 April, Virginia State Police arrested Dusty and booked him back into Middle River Regional Jail on an alleged parole violation, with his attorney saying the issue came down to two relationships he had not formally disclosed to his parole officer.
In this episode, I speak with Dusty from behind bars about what actually happened, how it felt to lose his freedom again so soon after gaining it, and what his legal team was doing to get him out. Then, after the Virginia Parole Board issued a notice on 14 May ordering his release, I catch up with him once more on the outside to find out where things stand now, what the past few weeks have done to him, and what comes next in a fight that, even after 31 years, is still not finished.
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In the 1990s and early 2000s, Shaken Baby Syndrome was considered medical fact. When doctors found subdural bleeding, retinal hemorrhages, and brain swelling - the so-called "triad" - the diagnosis was automatic: violent abuse.
This medical certainty sent hundreds of people to prison, including Tasha Shelby and Marsha Mills - two women whose cases we've been following throughout this series. Both convicted based solely on expert testimony that claimed their guilt was scientifically undeniable.
But was it?
Professor Keith Findley joins us to examine the evolution of SBS science. As co-founder of the Wisconsin Innocence Project and co-author of the definitive Cambridge University Press book "Shaken Baby Syndrome: Investigating the Abusive Head Trauma Controversy," Professor Findley has spent decades studying how medical assumptions became legal fact - and how that "fact" has been systematically challenged by modern research.
We explore how birth trauma, medical conditions, and even short falls can mimic the signs once thought exclusive to violent shaking. We examine why 34 people have been exonerated from SBS convictions as courts slowly recognize the diagnosis is unreliable. And we discuss why cases like Tasha's and Marsha's represent a much broader crisis in forensic medicine.
From the biomechanics of infant injury to the legal standards that allowed flawed science into courtrooms, Professor Findley explains how medical overconfidence created a generation of wrongful convictions - and what it will take to prevent future injustices when science masquerades as certainty.
The triad that once seemed unshakeable has been shaken to its core. But for those already convicted, scientific progress may have come too late.
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In the 1990s and early 2000s, Shaken Baby Syndrome was considered medical fact. When doctors found subdural bleeding, retinal hemorrhages, and brain swelling - the so-called "triad" - the diagnosis was automatic: violent abuse.
This medical certainty sent hundreds of people to prison, including Tasha Shelby and Marsha Mills - two women whose cases we've been following throughout this series. Both convicted based solely on expert testimony that claimed their guilt was scientifically undeniable.
But was it?
Professor Keith Findley joins us to examine the evolution of SBS science. As co-founder of the Wisconsin Innocence Project and co-author of the definitive Cambridge University Press book "Shaken Baby Syndrome: Investigating the Abusive Head Trauma Controversy," Professor Findley has spent decades studying how medical assumptions became legal fact - and how that "fact" has been systematically challenged by modern research.
We explore how birth trauma, medical conditions, and even short falls can mimic the signs once thought exclusive to violent shaking. We examine why 34 people have been exonerated from SBS convictions as courts slowly recognize the diagnosis is unreliable. And we discuss why cases like Tasha's and Marsha's represent a much broader crisis in forensic medicine.
From the biomechanics of infant injury to the legal standards that allowed flawed science into courtrooms, Professor Findley explains how medical overconfidence created a generation of wrongful convictions - and what it will take to prevent future injustices when science masquerades as certainty.
The triad that once seemed unshakeable has been shaken to its core. But for those already convicted, scientific progress may have come too late.
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When I found out One Minute Remaining had been nominated for Outstanding Episodic Series at the 2026 CrimeCon Clue Awards in Las Vegas — the only international nominee across the entire awards — I had about five minutes to feel good about it before the chaos began.
Getting to Vegas from Australia isn’t just a matter of booking a flight. There’s a media visa to apply for, a trip to the US Embassy in Sydney, prison visit requests to file with corrections departments in two states, unanswered emails, rejections.
This is the episode where I take you behind the scenes of what it actually takes to do this job. The bureaucracy, the knock backs, the paperwork, the moments where you wonder why you ever left radio and the moments that remind you exactly why you did.
Photo by Tim Mossholder
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After losing her husband Mike, fifty-five-year-old Marsha Mills found purpose in caring for her two beloved granddaughters and occasionally watching Evan and Noah Shoup, toddlers from her daughter's best friend's family.
On May 10th, 2006, that love would destroy her life. After feeding lunch to the four children, Marsha took them outside to play. With her infant granddaughter in her arms, she turned to close the back door when two-year-old Noah fell from the porch to the concrete patio below.
The child was unconscious. Marsha moved him inside, called his father, and waited for emergency workers while caring for three other frightened children. When Noah died the next day, Marsha was charged with murder.
The case against her was built on medical opinion, not evidence.
Detective Larry Hootman, who first investigated the scene, testified it was a "freak accident." He was removed from the case. Detective Michael Goodwin used ultraviolet imaging throughout Marsha's house but found no substances or evidence of violence.
No physical evidence. No weapon. No motive.
But Dr. Daryl Steiner of Akron Children's Hospital had an opinion.
Based on Noah's injuries, Steiner testified the child had been abused. The prosecution's medical examiner agreed, using a doll to demonstrate how Marsha allegedly slammed the toddler repeatedly against surfaces.
The defense fought back with science.
Biomechanical engineer Dr. Chris VanEe built a replica of Marsha's back porch and used crash test dummies to prove a fall down the steps could cause fatal injuries. Forensic pathologist Dr. John Plunkett testified that Noah's death was "probably accidental" and consistent with Marsha's account.
Two experts saying accident. Two saying murder.
The jury chose to believe the prosecutors.
After five hours of deliberation, they found Marsha Mills guilty of murder. She was sentenced to life in prison with parole eligibility after fifteen years.
She remains behind bars today, a grandmother whose only crime was caring for children who weren't her own.
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On New Year's Eve 2011, a landscaper named Ronald Hauser was found shot dead in the basement of his home in Livingston County, Michigan. A month later, police came knocking on the door of one of Ron's friends, a man named Anthony Duke. Tony was arrested, charged, and in 2015 convicted of murder. He has maintained his innocence ever since.
Tony Duke is now serving life without the possibility of parole. Under Michigan law, that sentence means exactly what it says -- there is no parole date, no automatic review, no mechanism for release. The only path out runs through the Governor's office, and it is a path that very few people ever reach the end of.
In this episode we catch up with Tony, who recently appeared before the Michigan Parole Board for what is known as a commutation initial -- a formal hearing that is, for people in Tony's situation, one of the rarest and most significant steps in a process that offers very little. We talk through what that meeting means, what came back from the Board, and what the road ahead looks like from inside a Michigan prison cell.
We also examine the broader landscape of clemency in Michigan -- who gets it, who doesn't, and why the final stretch of a governor's time in office has historically been the window that matters most for people who have run out of any other options.
Tony Duke's case has never stopped raising questions.
How to contact Governor Whitmer about Tony Duke's case
There are three ways to reach the Governor's office directly.
Online contact form (easiest option) The Governor's office has a contact form at michigan.gov/whitmer/contact -- you can use this to write directly to the office and share their thoughts on Tony's case.
By phone Constituent Services: (517) 335-7858 Main office: (517) 373-3400
By post Governor Gretchen Whitmer P.O. Box 30013 Lansing, Michigan 48909
Tips for anyone writing in:
A letter or message to the Governor's office in support of a clemency case is most effective when it is brief, respectful, and specific. You don't need legal expertise, you just need to be genuine.
A few things worth including:
Tony's full name: Anthony DukeThat he is currently incarcerated in Michigan serving a life without parole sentenceThat he has appeared before the Michigan Parole Board for a commutation initialWhy you believe his case deserves the Governor's attention -- whether that is concern about the original conviction, evidence of Tony's character, or simply a belief that the case warrants a closer lookKeep it to one page if writing by post. If using the online form, a few clear, considered paragraphs is plenty. The Governor's office does read correspondence on clemency cases -- volume of letters on a specific case does register.
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After losing her husband Mike, fifty-five-year-old Marsha Mills found purpose in caring for her two beloved granddaughters and occasionally watching Evan and Noah Shoup, toddlers from her daughter's best friend's family.
On May 10th, 2006, that love would destroy her life. After feeding lunch to the four children, Marsha took them outside to play. With her infant granddaughter in her arms, she turned to close the back door when two-year-old Noah fell from the porch to the concrete patio below.
The child was unconscious. Marsha moved him inside, called his father, and waited for emergency workers while caring for three other frightened children. When Noah died the next day, Marsha was charged with murder.
The case against her was built on medical opinion, not evidence.
Detective Larry Hootman, who first investigated the scene, testified it was a "freak accident." He was removed from the case. Detective Michael Goodwin used ultraviolet imaging throughout Marsha's house but found no substances or evidence of violence.
No physical evidence. No weapon. No motive.
But Dr. Daryl Steiner of Akron Children's Hospital had an opinion.
Based on Noah's injuries, Steiner testified the child had been abused. The prosecution's medical examiner agreed, using a doll to demonstrate how Marsha allegedly slammed the toddler repeatedly against surfaces.
The defense fought back with science.
Biomechanical engineer Dr. Chris VanEe built a replica of Marsha's back porch and used crash test dummies to prove a fall down the steps could cause fatal injuries. Forensic pathologist Dr. John Plunkett testified that Noah's death was "probably accidental" and consistent with Marsha's account.
Two experts saying accident. Two saying murder.
The jury chose to believe the prosecutors.
After five hours of deliberation, they found Marsha Mills guilty of murder. She was sentenced to life in prison with parole eligibility after fifteen years.
She remains behind bars today, a grandmother whose only crime was caring for children who weren't her own.
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After losing her husband Mike, fifty-five-year-old Marsha Mills found purpose in caring for her two beloved granddaughters and occasionally watching Evan and Noah Shoup, toddlers from her daughter's best friend's family.
On May 10th, 2006, that love would destroy her life. After feeding lunch to the four children, Marsha took them outside to play. With her infant granddaughter in her arms, she turned to close the back door when two-year-old Noah fell from the porch to the concrete patio below.
The child was unconscious. Marsha moved him inside, called his father, and waited for emergency workers while caring for three other frightened children. When Noah died the next day, Marsha was charged with murder.
The case against her was built on medical opinion, not evidence.
Detective Larry Hootman, who first investigated the scene, testified it was a "freak accident." He was removed from the case. Detective Michael Goodwin used ultraviolet imaging throughout Marsha's house but found no substances or evidence of violence.
No physical evidence. No weapon. No motive.
But Dr. Daryl Steiner of Akron Children's Hospital had an opinion.
Based on Noah's injuries, Steiner testified the child had been abused. The prosecution's medical examiner agreed, using a doll to demonstrate how Marsha allegedly slammed the toddler repeatedly against surfaces.
The defense fought back with science.
Biomechanical engineer Dr. Chris VanEe built a replica of Marsha's back porch and used crash test dummies to prove a fall down the steps could cause fatal injuries. Forensic pathologist Dr. John Plunkett testified that Noah's death was "probably accidental" and consistent with Marsha's account.
Two experts saying accident. Two saying murder.
The jury chose to believe the prosecutors.
After five hours of deliberation, they found Marsha Mills guilty of murder. She was sentenced to life in prison with parole eligibility after fifteen years.
She remains behind bars today, a grandmother whose only crime was caring for children who weren't her own.
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