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Allyson with a Y. Ocean with two Ls. And zero chill when it comes to changing the face of cancer care. Dr. Allyson Ocean has been quietlyâloudlyâat the center of every major cancer breakthrough, nonprofit board, and science-backed gut punch you didnât know you needed to hear. In this episode, she joins me in-studio for a conversation two decades in the making. We talk twin life, genetics, mitochondrial disease, and why she skipped the Doublemint Twins commercial but still ended up as one of the most recognizable forces in oncology. We cover her nonprofit hits, from Michaelâs Mission to Let's Win Pancreatic Cancer to launching the American Jewish Medical Associationâyes, thatâs a thing now. We get personal about compassion in medicine, burnout, bad food science, and microplastics in your blood. She also drops the kind of wisdom only someone with her rĂ©sumĂ© and sarcasm can. It's raw. It's real. It's the kind of conversation we shouldâve had 20 years agoâbut better late than never.
RELATED LINKS:
â Dr. Allyson Ocean on LinkedIn
â Let's Win Pancreatic Cancer
â NovoCure Leadership Page
â Michaelâs Mission
â American Jewish Medical Association
â The POLG Foundation
â Cancer Buddy App (Bone Marrow and Cancer Foundation)
â Dr. Ocean at OncLive
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Nobody wants to hear about COVID-19 anymore. Especially not cancer patients. But if youâve got a suppressed immune system thanks to chemo, radiation, stem cell transplantsâor any of the other alphabet soup in your chartâthen no, itâs not over. It never was. While everyone else is getting sweaty at music festivals, youâre still dodging a virus that could knock you flat.
In this episode, Matthew Zachary and Matt Toresco say the quiet part out loud: many immunocompromised people may not even know they have options beyond vaccines. Why? Because the system doesnât bother to tell them. So weâre doing it instead. We teamed up with Invivyd to help get the word out about tools other than vaccines that can help prevent COVID-19. We break down the why, the what, and the WTF of COVID-19 risk for cancer patients and why every oncologist should be talking about this.
No fear-mongering. No sugarcoating. Just two guys with mics whoâve been through it and want to make sure you donât get blindsided. Itâs fast, funny, and furiousâwith actual facts. Youâve got more power than you think. Time to use it.
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Expand Their Options
Invivyd
Matt Toresco on LinkedIn
Out of Patients podcast
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Lisa Shufro is the storytellerâs storyteller. A musician turned innovation strategist, TEDMed curator, and unapologetic truth-teller, Lisa doesnât just craft narrativesâshe engineers constellations out of chaos. We go way back to the early TEDMed days, where she taught doctors, scientists, and technocrats how not to bore an audience to death. In this episode, we talk about how storytelling in healthcare has been weaponized, misunderstood, misused, and still holds the power to change livesâif done right. Lisa challenges the idea that storytelling should be persuasive and instead argues it should be connective. We get into AI, the myth of objectivity, musical scars, Richard Simmons, the Vegas healthcare experiment, and the real reason your startup pitch is still trash. If youâve ever been told to âjust tell your story,â this episode is the permission slip to do it your way. With a bow, not a violin.
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Lisa Shufroâs Website
LinkedIn
Super Curious Archive
Eight Principles for Storytelling in Innovation
StoryCorps Interview
Coursera Instructor Profile
WhatMatters Project
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What happens when you blend the soul of Mr. Rogers, the boldness of RuPaul, and just a pinch of Carrie Bradshaw? You get Sally Wolf.
Sheâs a Harvard and Stanford powerhouse who ditched corporate media to help people actually flourish at work and in lifeâbecause cancer kicked her ass and she kicked it back, with a pole dance routine on Netflix for good measure.
In this episode, we unpack what it means to live (really live) with metastatic breast cancer. We talk about the toxic PR machine behind "pink ribbon" cancer, how the healthcare system gaslights survivors when treatment ends, and why spreadsheets and dance classes saved her sanity. Sally doesnât just survive. She rewrites the script, calls out the BS, and shows up in full color.
If you've ever asked âWhy me?ââor refused toâthis oneâs for you.
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Sally Wolf's Website
LinkedIn
Instagram
Cosmopolitan Essay: "What It's Like to Have the 'Good' Cancer"
Oprah Daily Article: "Five Things I Wish Everyone Understood About My Metastatic Breast Cancer Diagnosis"
Allure Photo Shoot
The Story of Our Trauma Podcast
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Audra Moran is the President and CEO of OCRAâOvarian Cancer Research Allianceâwhich means she spends her days doing things most of us wouldnât survive five minutes doing: merging nonprofits, leading national patient support programs, funding lifesaving research, surviving pharma grant hell, and trying to reach every woman in America who might be slipping through the cracks. We talk about her time working with the Helen Keller National Center (yes, she knows finger spelling), her accidental journey into cancer nonprofit leadership, the weirdness of dermoid cysts, the ridiculousness of writing grants, and the absolute hellscape of diagnosis delay. Oh, and the fallopian tubes. Youâll never look at them the same way again.
This episode is funny, raw, deeply personal, and loaded with Gen X movie references and random facts about Paul Rudd, Terminator 2, and flipbook apps at 3am. Audra drops wisdom, humility, and a few hot takes on AI, advocacy, and what it really means to lead when the boulder keeps rolling downhill.
RELATED LINKS
Audra Moran on LinkedIn
Ovarian Cancer Research Alliance (OCRA)
Audra's profile on OCRA
CURE Today interview: Leading the Fight
OCRA + AI & Data: Overlooked Podcast
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Christine Verini is a pharmacist by training, a nonprofit CEO by title, and an unapologetic empath by design. She now leads CancerCare, one of the oldest, least-known, and most impactful organizations in the country that actually helps real cancer patients deal with the practical garbage no one likes to talk aboutâlike paying rent, affording a ride to chemo, or feeding their kids.
We talk about her career pivot from industry to impact, what it's like trying to scale empathy without losing your soul, and the daily gut-punch of knowing there are millions of people who still have no idea that CancerCare exists. Christine gets real about leadership, advocacy, burnout, and why being âpan-cancerâ matters more than ever in a world obsessed with biomarkers, buckets, and branding.
She also dishes on what AI gets dead wrong, what patients actually want when they call for help, and why âghostingâ someone with cancer is still a thing. Buckle up. This one's packed with heart, brains, and a little righteous rage.
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CancerCareChristine Verini on LinkedInChristineâs CEO Announcement â PR NewswireCancer Health 25: Christine VeriniChristine on HealthyWomenBIO Convention Speaker ProfileFEEDBACK
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Jennifer Finkelstein is not here for your pity, your pinkwashed slogans, or your performative awareness campaigns. Sheâs a 20-year young adult breast cancer survivor who turned trauma into a blueprint for action and built 5 Under 40, a no-BS nonprofit supporting women diagnosed with breast cancer under 40.
In this episode, we go full Gen X therapy sessionâfrom SNL nostalgia and cold caps to the absurdity of finding out you have cancer while looking for the remote. Jen drops real talk about founding a nonprofit when nothing existed for her age group, why mental health support isnât optional, and how passing down designer scarves can mean arming someone for battle.
If youâre looking for honesty, grit, and a few inappropriate jokes about gastroenterology, this oneâs for you. You'll laugh, you might cry, and youâll definitely leave knowing why Jennifer Finkelstein is a survivor, a fighter, and a damn legend.
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5 Under 40 Foundation
Jennifer Finkelstein on LinkedIn
About 5 Under 40: Board of Directors
Danâs Papers: 5 Under 40 Supports Young Breast Cancer Survivors
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What happens when a black belt, sword-slinging fitness icon gets cancerâtwice? She picks up a camera and dares the universe to test her again.
Ilaria Montagnani is not your average anything. Sheâs been building strong bodies (and stronger minds) for over 30 years as the founder of Powerstrike. Sheâs part Jane Fonda, part Uma Thurman, and very much the action hero you wish was your personal trainer.
In this episode, we talk about what happens when everything you built your life onâmovement, strength, purposeâgets sideswiped by disease. Twice. Ilaria opens up about diagnosis shock, bad doctor vibes, wielding swords post-mastectomy, and why working out through treatment is the best revenge.
We get into scanxiety, menopause side effects, nutrition spirals, and the moment she realized the fitness industry needed more truthâand less bullshit.
This oneâs real, raw, and will either guilt you into planking or inspire you to finally cancel that gym membership youâve never used. Either way, youâre gonna feel something.
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Stronger for Life documentary
Powerstrike official site
Ilaria on Instagram
Ilaria on LinkedIn
Workout programs and DVDs
Forza Sword Workout on Amazon
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Helene M. Epstein is not here to make friends with the healthcare system. She's here to dismantle the bullshit, one catastrophic medical error at a time. An ad agency veteran turned patient safety firebrand, Heleneâs journey from business development to writer to âbadass queen of patient safety,â is one hell of a ride.
We talk about how her son was misdiagnosed over 15 times (yes, really), why some doctors should come with warning labels, and how American healthcare gaslights patients like it's a competitive sport. She also explains why sheâs giving away her new book for free, one chapter at a time, and how AI might actually be usefulâif it stops hallucinating citations.
This is not a light listen. Itâs the real deal. Youâll walk away angry, inspired, and a lot more dangerous as a patient.
RELATED LINKS
Helene's Substack: https://helenemepstein.substack.com
Patient Safety Resources: https://www.pfps.us
Helene's Website: https://www.hmepstein.com/meet-helene
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/hmepstein
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Jonathan and Jennifer Wall didnât choose this path, but theyâre walking it with purpose. After losing their son, Zach, they turned their grief into action, founding Zachâs Bridge, a lifeline for families navigating pediatric cancer. This episode isnât about platitudes or silver liningsâitâs about the raw, unfiltered reality of love and loss, the relentless unfairness of childhood cancer, and how the Walls are refusing to let their sonâs memory fade into the void.
Jon and Jenn open up about what Zach taught them, how theyâve reshaped their lives in his honor, and why âBe Like Zachâ isnât just a phraseâitâs a call to action. We talk about the power of community, the frustrating gaps in pediatric cancer care, and how theyâre making sure no other family has to walk this road alone. If youâve ever wondered what real resilience looks like, this is it.
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Zachâs BridgeZachâs Rules for LifeBe Like Zach - SubstackJonathan Wall on LinkedInJonâs Post: What Cancer Taught Me About WorkRettâs Roost Blog - Jonathanâs WritingZachâs Story - OSIFEEDBACK:
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Sarah Armstrongâforever Sarah Oakden to me, no matter what the legal documents sayâisn't just my best friend.
She's my first college friend, my musical theater soulmate, and the first person who truly saw me as an artist. She was there when I walked onto Binghamtonâs campus, and she was there when I walked into cancer hell. And, because weâre nothing if not in sync, a few decades later, she got her own cancer badge of honor, and I was right there with her every step of the way.
This episode is a love letter to friendship, music, and those moments that change your life forever. We nerd out over Sondheim, Binghamton's infamous "Theater 101 with Dr. Susan Peters." and the weird and wonderful rabbit holes that turn into entire alternate realities across decades of aging gracefully and falling with style.
We talk about how cancer is the worst club with the best people and how surviving it together just adds another verse to the song weâve been singing for 30 years. Itâs funny. Itâs real. Itâs a master class in love, laughter, and musicals that should have been bigger; with a big tip of the hat to Nancy Ford and Gretchen Cryer for their acclaimed musical "I'm Getting My Act Together and Taking It on the Road"
Oh, and RIP to the legendary Dennyâs on Vestal Parkway. You will be missed.
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Food for Thought: Cancer, Calories, and Kicking Ass
Vanessa Rissetto is back, and sheâs bringing the same energy, wit, and unapologetic realness that made her a fan favorite. Last time, we talked nutrition and the rise of Culina Health. This time, life threw her a plot twistâbreast cancer. Because, you know, irony.
Vanessa was busy building a nutrition empire when she got diagnosed. So, naturally, she texted, âWTF do I do now?â to her closest cancer Sherpasâyours truly included. Spoiler alert: She powered through, beat cancer, and kept scaling Culina Health to new heights.
We get into it allâbeing a cancer patient when you're supposed to be the health expert, the emotional whiplash of survivorship, the absolute clown show that is American food regulation, and why European Oreos are apparently less cancerous than ours. Also, parenting, loneliness, and why the healthcare system still makes zero sense.
Get ready for a wild ride of truth bombs, wisdom, and laughter with one of the sharpest voices in nutrition and entrepreneurship.
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Vanessa on LinkedInCulina HealthVanessaâs WebsiteVanessaâs Story on HLTHVanessa on Breast Cancer - TODAYWhat Vanessa Learned About Food After CancerDaily Mail: Vanessa on an Unexpected SymptomSurvivorNet: Vanessa on Nutrition and CancerFEEDBACK
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Lillian Kreppel doesnât hold back. A seven-year anal cancer survivor and co-founder of the HPV Cancers Alliance, she has made it her mission to challenge stigma, fight misinformation, and push for better awareness of HPV-related cancers. In this episode, she sits down with Matthew Zachary to talk about her journey from high-powered sales to full-time advocacy, the absurd misconceptions surrounding HPV, and why more doctors should be doing rectal examsâbut arenât. With her signature humor and relentless drive, Lillian shares how she turned her diagnosis into a movement, what it takes to make people uncomfortable for the right reasons, and why she refuses to stop talking about the HPV vaccine. Itâs an eye-opening, unfiltered, and surprisingly hilarious conversation about a serious issue too many people ignore.
RELATED LINKS
HPV Cancers Alliance: https://hpvca.org/Lillian's Story (MSKCC): https://www.mskcc.org/experience/hear-from-patients/lillianInterview on HPVWorld: https://www.hpvworld.com/articles/anal-cancer-and-hpv-a-history-of-awareness-and-stigma-interview-with-lillian-kreppel/Speaking With Lillian Kreppel (Ask About HPV): https://www.askabouthpv.org/stories/speaking-with-lillian-kreppel-co-founder-of-the-hpv-cancers-allianceEuropean Cancer Organization Feature: https://www.europeancancer.org/content/lillian-kreppel.htmlAnal Cancer Survivor Feature (Patient Resource):https://www.patientresource.com/Anal_Cancer_Survivor_Lillian_KreppelFEEDBACK
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Grace Charrierâa powerhouse advocate, author, and cancer survivorâwhose journey from a Stage 3 triple-negative breast cancer diagnosis to global advocacy is nothing short of extraordinary. Originally from Nigeria, Grace's life was upended when she was diagnosed following an unexpected health scare. Instead of retreating, she turned her experience into action, launching Cancer Convos with Grace B, writing the memoir IMPOSSICANT!, and becoming a voice for patients navigating the complexities of cancer care worldwide.
Matthew and Grace dive into the realities of living with cancer, from the absurdities of the U.S. healthcare system to the deeply ingrained stigmas surrounding the disease in Africa. They explore the critical role of doctor empathy, the perils of consulting âDr. Google,â and the relentless frustration of dealing with insurance providers. The conversation is raw, unfiltered, and filled with humor, as they trade stories about survivorship, advocacy, and the power of storytelling in making sense of the chaos.
This episode delivers a mix of inspiration, honesty, and irreverenceâshowcasing Graceâs unwavering determination to change the cancer narrative, one conversation at a time.
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Grace Charrier on LinkedInCancer Convos with Grace B on YouTubeGraceâs Memoir: IMPOSSICANT! on AmazonBlue Note TherapeuticsRare Patient VoiceImerman AngelsAmerican Cancer Society Cancer Action NetworkRed Door CommunityHealth UnionAdvocates for Collaborative EducationFEEDBACK:
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Buckle up, because Amy Gittelman is back, and this episode is one for the ages. A fellow SUNY Binghamton (yes, we still call it that) alum, Amy joins me for a hilarious and brutally honest deep dive into the absurdities of healthcare, insurance fuckery, and the general nonsense that plagues the system. From dodging medical debt landmines to battling insurance companies that seem hellbent on denying care, we go all in.
But waitâthere's more! We reminisce about our Binghamton days, debate the superiority of Wegmans over every downstate grocery store, and expose the dark art of healthcare billing fraud (spoiler: it's as bad as you think). Amy, a seasoned healthcare badass, drops wisdom bombs on why the industry is broken, what we can do about it, and why sheâs basically a mix of Miranda Priestly, Leslie Knope, and Dolly freakinâ Parton.
If you've ever yelled at your insurance company, fought a medical bill, or just wanted to flip a table over the state of American healthcare, this episode is for you.
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Amy Gittelman on LinkedInAmyâs Odyssey Feature on PM360Amyâs Profile on OncoDailyVeradigm Healthcare SolutionsFEEDBACK:
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Welcome to another episode of Out of Patients, where we get real about the absolute circus that is the American healthcare system. If you've ever been trapped in a medical billing nightmare, gaslit by insurance reps, or just generally felt like healthcare is an elaborate game designed to screw youâthis oneâs for you.
Joining me is the indomitable Deb Gordon, a relentless champion for healthcare consumers, co-founder of Umbra Health Advocacy, and co-director of the Alliance of Professional Health Advocates. She literally wrote the book (The Healthcare Consumerâs Manifesto) on navigating this broken systemâand sheâs here to help you get unf*cked.
We talk about why the healthcare system is a hot mess, how patient advocacy is (unfortunately) a booming business, and why you shouldnât have to fight tooth and nail just to get the care youâre entitled to. And yes, there are people you can hire to help you navigate the bureaucratic hellscape of prior authorizations, medical bills, and misdiagnoses. Itâs an infuriating conversationâbut also wildly empowering.
If youâve ever thought, Where the hell was this when I needed it?âwell, now you know.
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đ The Healthcare Consumerâs Manifestođ Umbra Health Advocacyđ Alliance of Professional Health Advocatesâïž Deb Gordon on Forbesđ Deb Gordon on LinkedInFEEDBACK
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You know how some people enter your life with a knock, a bang, or maybe even a LinkedIn request? Not Rebecca Batterman, returning champion to Out of Patients, making her dramatic second appearance,
Back in 2019, she karmically appeared like a plot twist in a film noirâunexpected, inevitable, and full of surprises.
An AI strategist, an optimist (yes, those exist), and a young adult cancer survivor, Rebecca is here to school us on everything from the future of AI in healthcare to why nostalgia is a coping mechanism we all need.
In this no-BS conversation, we talk about the state of innovation (is it still a buzzword?), the wild advancements in early cancer detection, and whether AI-generated empathy is just another overpromised tech fantasy.
We also take a detour into the absurdity of pinkwashed cancer fundraising, the evolution of cancer portrayals in pop culture, and the ultimate question: Can you separate the art from the artist?
Come for the cancer survivorship insights, stay for the South Park references and existential musings on whether you'd rather live in the past (with no antibiotics) or the future (with AI clones of yourself).
RELATED LINKS
Rebecca Batterman on LinkedIn
Understanding AI on Maven
Rebeccaâs Articles on Adweek
Breast Positivity as Self-Care
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Tricia Brouk isnât just a storytellerâsheâs a story architect, crafting narratives that connect humanity. A former ballet dancer turned award-winning director, choreographer, and transformational speaker coach, Tricia brings her unique journey to the mic in this captivating conversation. From dancing in iconic opera houses to choreographing Hollywood blockbusters, she has mastered the art of turning moments into movements.
In this episode, Tricia and I dive deep into the magic of storytelling as a service, the difference between telling a story and truly captivating an audience, and how vulnerability can transform lives. Whether youâre looking to step into the spotlight or just understand how to leave a meaningful legacy, Triciaâs insights will challenge and inspire. Plus, donât miss her tales of collaborating with icons like James Gandolfini and Susan Sarandon, and her hilarious take on 80s nostalgia.
Hit play and discover why Tricia Brouk is the influential voice you didnât know you needed.
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Tricia Broukâs WebsiteTriciaâs Book: The Influential VoiceLinkedIn ProfileThe Big Talk PodcastFEEDBACK:
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Get ready for a wild ride with Matt Lewis, the Tony Stark-meets-Jerry Seinfeld of the mental health AI world. As a multi-degreed polymath, Matt has been ahead of the curve on AI since MySpace was a thing. In this episode, we dive into everything from neuroethics and AI-powered mental health solutions to existential fears of Skynet ruining your day. Matt shares the real scoop on how AI can revolutionize diagnosis, therapy, and even the very definition of sanityâwhile hilariously lamenting the difficulty of spelling ârhythm.â If youâve ever wondered whether AI is here to save the world or just mess with your playlist, this episode is for you. Join us as we balance hope, skepticism, and an unhealthy number of 80s references in this thought-provoking, laugh-out-loud conversation.
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Matt Lewis on LinkedInLLMental Official WebsiteMattâs Feature on MM+M OnlineFEEDBACK
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What happens when you give a 14-year-old the mic and let her fly solo without her twin brother? Magic, thatâs what. This episode of Out of Patients features my daughter, Hannah, on her seventh (yes, seventh) appearance on the show, but this time sheâs stealing the spotlight solo. From reminiscing about slushy Christmas Eves and rare baby illnesses to deep dives into the hexagonal perfection of honeycombs, this mini-episode is packed with wit, banter, and a healthy dose of dad jokes. We touch on everything from gaming nostalgia to family quirks, proving once again that sometimes the best conversations happen when you just press record. Whether youâre a longtime listener of the Zachary family chronicles or new to the Out of Patients universe, this oneâs got laughs, lessons, and a little love for everyone.
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