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Here we go again! The word on everyone’s lips right now around jobs and money is recession. Whether this is your first recession or you’ve been through this rodeo many times, now is a good time to start thinking about readying your money and reading all the “recession-proof your career” articles.
We chat about:
- not making all decisions from a place of fear
- why this could be a great time to make bold career/life decisions
- passive vs. proactive approaches to financial preparation
- leaning into community and avoiding isolation
- and more!
Reminder: We are not financial advisors so take our commentary with a grain of salt and consult an advisor before making any money moves!
Mentioned in the episode:
Is the U.S. Heading Into a Recession Amid Trump’s Tariffs?: https://time.com/7274531/trump-tariffs-is-the-us-heading-into-a-recession-stock-market-fears/
“How to Recession Proof Your Finances” by One Big Happy Life YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tf2-gkXtsFs
Monica Razak YouTube: https://youtube.com/@monicarazak
Kat Stickler on Low Maintenance Friends (TikTok): https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTj1Rjo2X/
MOFT: https://www.moft.us/
Prevention: https://www.prevention.com/
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Whether you call it a micro-retirement or a sabbatical or funemployment, the idea of taking a period of not working (or scaling back work) in the middle of your career isn’t something new. We’re all likely to be working longer, and living longer, so waiting until 65 to formally retire and enjoy your life doesn’t feel like a guarantee the way it did for our parents’ or grandparents’ generation. Renée has taken one and highly recommends a break for anyone who can fit it into their budget and lifestyle.
This week, we discuss:
- planning your micro-retirement or career break
- if forced unemployment (like a layoff or firing) counts?
- using the break to relieve burnout, pursue passion projects, or pivot careers
- building a balanced life/career where you don’t need breaks
- and so much more!
Mentioned in the episode:
Burned-out Workers are Considering 'Micro-retirement.' Here's What It Is and How to Do It Successfully: https://www.businessinsider.com/what-is-micro-retirement-burn-out-work-sabbatical-2024-12
You’re Going to Work a Long Time. Here’s How to Build in Breaks: https://www.nytimes.com/2021/12/11/your-money/work-time-out-career-longevity.html
@brianluebben TikTok on Micro-Retirement: https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZT2TVQfD3/
‘Micro-Retirement’: The New Career Trend Rising Among Gen Z: https://www.forbes.com/sites/bryanrobinson/2025/01/29/micro-retirement-the-new-career-trend-rising-among-gen-z/
Data Shows Retirement’s Negative Effect on Mortality Rates: https://business.purdue.edu/news/features/2022/retirement.php
The WonderMart: https://www.thewondermart.shop/
OPI Put It In Neutral: https://www.opi.com/products/nail-lacquer-put-it-in-neutral
Pamela Anderson Substack: https://pamelaanderson.substack.com/
“How to Move With Fear in Life & Business” by Glo Atanmo: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XyMU3JHDzOc
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Like many people, we are huge fans of the hit Apple TV+ show Severance. It’s very bingeable and made us think about our own POVs on compartmentalizing our work and career from the rest of our lives. Is focusing entirely on productivity at the office and then never bringing work home a sign of good work-life balance, or are there downsides to mentally writing off huge chunks of your day?
This week, we’re doing something different with a TV episode to chat about some of the show’s themes—we promise no spoilers!— and discuss:
- if we’d choose severance
- whether “bringing your whole self” to work is ever a good idea
- embracing the many roles we play in life vs. limiting ourselves to one identity
- how similar our innies and outies would be
- and much more! (#PraiseKier)
Mentioned in the episode:
Severance: https://tv.apple.com/us/show/severance/umc.cmc.1srk2goyh2q2zdxcx605w8vtx
‘Severance’ Is Officially Apple TV+’s Most Popular Show Ever: https://www.forbes.com/sites/dimitarmixmihov/2025/02/19/severance-is-officially-apple-tvs-most-popular-show-ever/
Call Her Daddy’s “Ellen Pompeo: Pick Me, Choose Me, Pay Me More”: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jex1tGfWpno
“The Work You Do, the Person You Are” by Toni Morrison: https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/06/05/toni-morrison-the-work-you-do-the-person-you-are
Buffy Neck Pain Relief Pillow: https://buffy.co/products/neck-pain-relief-pillow
Danny & Coop’s Cheesesteaks: https://www.instagram.com/dannyandcoops/
Perfect Days: https://www.hulu.com/movie/a68e2d56-eeb8-44f3-baaa-3ddb850bb67b
We the Urban x Doechii: https://www.instagram.com/wetheurban/p/DHjJJvGvk7P/
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Whether you live in the public eye or a more private life, sometimes the things we do or even just the way we exist in the world ruffles some feathers. It can feel like the more we’re doing big things or growing in popularity or visibility, the more we attract unwanted (and unwarranted) hate – especially for women. But the tradeoff is silencing yourself and not leaning into your greatness…so we say, push through the criticism and do it anyway!
This week, we get into:
- the “crabs in a bucket” mentality
- pushing through the fear of standing out
- filtering the noise to find constructive criticism
- & much more
Mentioned in the episode:
Trashie: https://www.trashie.io/
Trashie, How We Recycle Textiles: https://www.trashie.io/how-we-recycle-textiles-tbb
TJ Maxx: https://tjmaxx.tjx.com
Myleik Teele Threads: https://www.threads.net/@myleik
Brianna Wiest Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/briannawiest/
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We’re back with a Part 2 to last week’s episode! This week, we’re talking about building good night routines, because what we do the night before sets us up for a better day.
We get into:
- our ideal nighttime routines
- our favorite tools and purchases for a better wind down or sleep routine
- how poor evening habits impact our performance
- and so much more!
Mentioned in the episode:
Kasa: https://www.kasasmart.com/
Hatch Alarm: https://www.hatch.co/
SILKE Londn: https://www.silkelondon.com/
CNP Laboratory Propolis Lipcerin (Honey Lip Butter): https://www.amazon.com/CNP-Honey-Butter-fl-oz-15ml/dp/B0CZXG68J4/
Fluff and Tuff: https://fluffandtuff.com/
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Rise and shine! This week, we’re discussing morning routines and how to build a morning program that sets us up to have a good day so we can live our best lives. We both believe it’s important to carve out time for self-care to pour into yourself so you’re not rolling out of bed and immediately into a meeting or emails.
We chat about:
- comparing our mornings to the aesthetic routines on social media
- routines vs. rituals to kickstart the day
- some of our favorite ideal AM habits
- finding and using your chronotype to build a morning schedule
- & much more!
Mentioned in the episode:
The Morning Routines of Successful People: https://www.wework.com/ideas/professional-development/management-leadership/the-morning-routines-of-successful-people
“The 5AM Club: Own Your Morning. Elevate Your Life.” by Robin Sharma: https://www.robinsharma.com/books/the-5am-club
Chronoquiz: What’s Your Chronotype?: https://sleepdoctor.com/sleep-quizzes/chronotype-quiz
“The Power of When: Discover Your Chronotype--and the Best Time to Eat Lunch, Ask for a Raise, Have Sex, Write a Novel, Take Your Meds, and More” by Dr. Michael Breus: https://sleepdoctor.com/books
Millie Bobby Brown Instagram Reel on Media Scrutiny & Bullying: https://www.instagram.com/p/DGwZgLXSJuH/
With Love, Meghan: https://www.netflix.com/title/81770808
Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky: https://wondery.com/shows/reclaiming-with-monica-lewinsky/
Baboon to the Moon TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZT29ctGcg/
Baboon to the Moon: https://baboontothemoon.com/
Rose Han: https://rosehan.com/
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Ina Garten – aka the Barefoot Contessa – is the author of “Be Ready When The Luck Happens: A Memoir” (along with 13 New York Times bestselling cookbooks), a beloved Food Network personality, Instagram sensation, and cultural icon. This was a slightly different book club pick for us, and we loved it! Ina’s memoir not only has an incredible, eye-catching title, but it’s full of life lessons and business advice about productivity, hard work, and love hidden in many charming anecdotes and stories.
For this book club chat, we dove into:
- her unique career path and willingness to start something new (at any age)
- having the right partner(s) to believe in and support you
- the importance of trying many things to figure out what feels right
- our favorite life and career lessons from Ina’s journey
- and so much more!
As Ina says, “You never know your good breaks from your bad ones.”
Mentioned in the episode:
“Be Ready When the Luck Happens” by Ina Garten: https://barefootcontessa.com/books/be-ready-when-the-luck-happens
Heather McMahan Does Ina Garten: https://www.instagram.com/heatherkmcmahan/tv/B976Ro1J1qP/
Ina Garten Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/inagarten
The Oprah Podcast with Ina Garten: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EKs-2qufe80
SmashingGold: https://www.instagram.com/smashinggold/
MAED Beauty: https://www.maedbeauty.com
Raven Ross Instagram Reel on “What You’re Not Changing, You’re Choosing”: https://www.instagram.com/p/DGYeEWZxKul/
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Upskilling is the hot word in the professional world lately. Whether you are looking to layoff-proof your job, or simply eager to attract more money, clients, and opportunities, it’s never a bad idea to continue growing your skills. As self-professed lifelong learners, we decided to hop on the mic to discuss what areas we want to level up in this year.
We get into:
- hard skills vs. soft skills
- whether everyone needs to learn AI
- growing your skills with online courses, on nonprofit boards, or at your company
- some of the classes and trainings we’re exploring this year
- and great advice from Your Rich BFF, Shonda Rhimes, and more!
Mentioned in the episode:
Vivian Tu (Your Rich BFF): https://www.yourrichbff.com/
Harvard Business School Online YouTube “How to Upskill in 2024 to Advance Your Career”: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2WeAyYWkfwU&t=1627s
How Gen Z Is Becoming the Toolbelt Generation: https://www.wsj.com/lifestyle/careers/gen-z-trades-jobs-plumbing-welding-a76b5e43
Google Cloud – Machine Learning and Artificial Intelligence: https://cloud.google.com/learn/training/machinelearning-ai
SkillPop: https://www.skillpop.com/
Shonda Rhimes on Her Most Important Rules of Negotiating: https://www.wsj.com/articles/shonda-rhimes-on-her-most-important-rules-of-negotiating-11647865638
Suri: https://www.trysuri.com
Perfectly Imperfect (PI): https://www.pi.fyi/
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Suzy Welch is a Professor of Management Practice at the NYU Stern School of Business, a business journalist, and best-selling author who coined the Velvet Coffin theory. This theory describes how waiting to change a job or life that’s comfortable – but not your big dream – puts you in a metaphorical “velvet coffin” with a lid that slowly closes and traps you. Yikes!
Our conversation dives into:
- the difference between comfort, contentment, and complacency
- how this shows up for people who aren’t career-driven
- understanding what drives you and clearly defining your dream(s)
- & so much more!
Mentioned in the episode:
Suzy Welch Instagram Reel on Velvet Coffin Theory: https://www.instagram.com/suzywelch/reel/C7t9gxducS8/
Suzy Welch LinkedIn Post “Happy at Work? Beware The Velvet Coffin”: https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/happy-work-beware-velvet-coffin-suzy-welch/
Suzy Welch YouTube Short “Is Your Comfortable Life Holding You Back?”: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qIKJACJsuUk
“You Turn: Get Unstuck, Discover Your Direction, and Design Your Dream Career” by Ashley Stahl: https://www.ashleystahl.com/you-turn/
Escaping the Velvet Coffin: 6 Steps to Help You Decide if It’s Time To Leave: https://gavinadams.com/escaping-the-velvet-coffin-6-steps-to-help-you-decide-if-its-time-to-leave/
Broadway Week: https://www.nyctourism.com/broadway-week/
Sunnies Studios: https://sunniesstudios.com/
“Working Hard, Hardly Working” Podcast Episode: “Watch This If You’re Feeling Stuck (In Your Life, Career or Relationship) with Sahil Bloom”: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NtRCKfNi_KU
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We’re back! After a quick catch-up on what we’ve been up to during our hiatus, we kick off our first new episode of the year with a conversation on values – our personal compass that guides us toward what’s important to us.
We chat about:
- Some of Melissa and Renée’s core values
- Surrounding yourself with people who share or complement your values
- What happens to us when we’re living out of alignment with our values
- Questions and tools to help discover your values
- Navigating tough conversations in defense of your values
- & so much more!
Mentioned in the episode:
Brené Brown “Living Into Your Values” Exercise: https://brenebrown.com/resources/living-into-our-values/
@monicadcost on TikTok, “Romantic Relationships & Core Values: https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZT2MUPM7s/
Piloting Ep 55: “How Did a Career in HR Prepare Me to Become a Dating Coach? with Erica Laws, Founder of Laws of Attraction”: https://open.spotify.com/episode/7dUmdvVXb35honJ91RobVS
VIA Institute Character Assessment: https://www.viacharacter.org/
The Meaning of Personal Values and How They Impact Your Life: https://www.betterup.com/blog/meaning-of-personal-values
Substack: https://substack.com/
Aki & Koichi Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/akiandkoichi/
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Don’t call it a comeback – or do! We’ve got some exciting news about when we’ll start dropping new episodes again. Hope you’re as excited as we are!
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Hi everyone! This week, instead of an episode, we’re bringing you a brief announcement about some upcoming PTO for the podcast for the holiday season. We’ll be back in January 2025!
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Many people (including us) proudly wear the label of overachiever and enjoy being the kind of people to go above and beyond – in work and in other parts of life. But that’s not always a good thing. Sometimes, it can actually create more problems than it solves.
This week, we unravel the downsides of being an overachiever, including:
- the challenge of setting unrealistic (and unsustainable) expectations about your capacity
- knowing where to put your extra energy and effort
- the pros and cons of overperforming during your first 30/60/90 days on the job
- the difference between being a high achiever and an overachiever
- why it doesn’t have to be lonely at the top, if you build the right support network
- many, many automobile metaphors
Remember, “You can’t spell career without car.”
PS - 1.80 seconds is the fastest F1 pit stop record.
Mentioned in the episode:
“Set Boundaries, Find Peace” by Nedra Glover Tawwab: https://www.nedratawwab.com/set-boundaries-find-peace
Clare V.: https://www.clarev.com/
Alice in Borderland: https://www.netflix.com/title/80200575
Candice Brathwaite Instagram Reel: https://www.instagram.com/reel/C_qUhEBsRB3/
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We often hear that we should choose collaboration over competition, but we think there’s a lot of positives that come from competition. A healthy relationship with competition can actually create community when done right – plus, we think everyone deserves to know what it feels like to be a winner.
We discuss:
- whether we identify as “competitive” people
- learning from negative emotions like jealousy
- why it’s sometimes harder for women to be seen chasing wins
- raising kids with a healthy relationship with competition
- group project trauma
- & much more!
Mentioned in the episode:
“The Rural Diaries” by Hilarie Burton Morgan: https://themischieffarm.com/the-rural-diaries/
“Dinner for Vampires” by Bethany Joy Lenz: https://www.amazon.com/Dinner-Vampires-Life-While-Actual/dp/1668067307
“Working Hard, Hardly Working” Podcast: https://www.youtube.com/@Grace-Beverley
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It might be a taboo topic for some, but this week we’re talking about money. Specifically, how money can hold us back or set us free when we’re trying to chase our dreams and the lives we want. We chat about how money can bring up feelings of shame or anxiety, how we can use it to motivate us, why it’s normal to go through seasons of ups and downs with your financial wellness, and why sometimes you can’t put a price on happiness or peace of mind.
Also, we are not financial professionals and we don’t give any money advice. So please fact check any recommendations we may share. Except to treat yourself! We stand ten toes down on that piece of advice.
Mentioned in the episode:
“Necessary Endings” by Dr. Henry Cloud: https://www.drcloud.com/books/necessary-endings
Brown Ambition: https://brownambitionpodcast.com/
HerMoney: https://hermoney.com/
BiggerPockets: https://www.biggerpockets.com/
Your Rich BFF: https://www.yourrichbff.com/
Tori Dunlap, Her First 100k: https://herfirst100k.com/
Mrs. Dow Jones: https://www.mrsdowjones.com/
The Budget Mom: https://www.thebudgetmom.com/
Delyanne the Money Coach: https://delyannethemoneycoach.com/
Wine to Water: https://www.wtw.org/
World Central Kitchen Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/wckitchen/
Nobody Wants This: https://www.netflix.com/title/81591296
Myleik Teele Instagram Post: https://www.instagram.com/p/DAgZpWgOovv/
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There’s no shortage of seriousness in our lives, especially when you’re adulting and dealing with things like finances, work, and all of our many responsibilities – but being silly and making moments for play is important. We don’t think we should lose or forget that, no matter what age.
So this week, we’re talking about reconnecting with our younger, playful selves, including:
- what play means to us, and how it changes over time
- the difference between venting and being a chronic complainer
- the importance of being a beginner, getting outside, and laughter
- surrounding yourself with the right people, including kids and animals
- & so much more!
Mentioned in the episode:
Moo Deng Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/khamoo.andthegang
Outdoor Chef Life: https://www.youtube.com/c/OutdoorChefLife
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We’re often taught in school to aspire to work in Corporate America if we want to achieve professional and financial success. But should we still put a corporate career on a pedestal in 2024 as the only (or most guaranteed path) to getting what we want out of our work lives? Do we all need to experience a corporate job at least once in our working lives?
Our hosts argue opposite sides of the coin – for and against needing a corporate girl era. In this episode, we get into the pros and cons of corporate jobs, why we should be encouraged to celebrate alternate paths to success, how to get the best benefits, and more!
Mentioned in the episode:
“Everybody’s Free (To Wear Sunscreen)” by Baz Luhrmann: https://genius.com/Baz-luhrmann-everybodys-free-to-wear-sunscreen-lyrics
Welcome to a New Era of Work: The Portfolio Career: https://www.businessinsider.com/what-is-portfolio-career-pros-cons-income-streams-side-hustles-2024-9
Apotheke: https://apothekeco.com
John Oliver’s Emmy Speech: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JC8Xf1lOEsc
Bloom and Build Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/bloom_and_build_/
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The New York Times bestseller, “Burnout: The Secret to Unlocking the Stress Cycle,” is for women (or anyone) who has felt overwhelmed and exhausted by everything they have to do, yet still worried they weren’t doing enough. The book explains why women experience burnout differently than men—and provides a roadmap to minimizing stress, managing emotions, and living more joyfully.
For this book club episode, we dive into our own experiences with burnout and research from the book, including:
- the definition of burnout
- dealing with stress vs. dealing with stressors
- prioritizing physical activity, a good cry, affection, and positive social interactions
- the importance of finding meaning and “something larger” in life
- why we should spend 42% of our day resting
- knowing when to exploit your current situation or explore new options
- navigating compassion fatigue
- why healing sometimes hurts
- & so much more!
As the Nagoski sisters remind us, “Wellness is not a state of being but a state of action.” We think this book has many good practices and actions to take to prevent and manage burnout.
Mentioned in the episode:
“Burnout: The Secret to Unlocking the Stress Cycle” by Emily Nagoski and Amelia Nagoski: https://www.burnoutbook.net/
The Secret Lives of Mormon Wives: https://www.hulu.com/series/the-secret-lives-of-mormon-wives-58cd73be-408d-4eed-8e3d-82339f3f93e2
Seatopia: https://seatopia.fish/
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Few things in life feel better than clocking out, turning on your Out of Office email responder, and knowing you’re taking time off work. Whether it’s a luxurious vacation or laidback staycation, taking time off is good for your health and your company, but many of us (especially Americans) are reluctant to take those days off – even when they’re paid!
This week, we get into:
- the reasons we’re afraid to take time off from work
- why it’s important for your well-being (and productivity)
- the pros and cons of unlimited time off policies
- how to reduce anxiety around taking days off
- building in time off as a solopreneur
- & so much more!
Mentioned in the episode:
Americans Take the Fewest Vacation Days In the World: https://qz.com/america-vacation-days-pto-europe-japan-pto-1851552822
Arpitha Kowtal: https://www.instagram.com/storiesbytwoplusone
Contagious Confidence Podcast: Confidence in Your 30s with Melissa Vega-Magbitang, Podcast Host & Brand and Social Media Strategist: https://open.spotify.com/episode/340NJ4sK40l31EI5F0GcoJ
Franchesca Ramsey “Don’t Knit a Sweater” TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@franchesca_leigh/video/7389333394062249262
Yogi Tea: https://www.yogi-life.com/
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“Keep your eye on the prize.” “Go after what you want.” We’ve all heard these maxims encouraging us to persevere, be resilient, and chase our dreams. But how do you know it’s time to give up the race and stop chasing? This week, we’re unpacking this tough question (and all the emotions that come with it).
We’re diving into:
- giving yourself permission to chase new dreams or change your mind
- avoiding a life of regret
- understanding triggers and flickers
- playing the numbers game and creating your own luck
- the difference between “giving up” and realizing it’s time to move on
- & so much more!
Mentioned in the episode:
Maido: https://maidoonline.com/
Why 95% of People Never Achieve Their Dreams and How to Be in the 5%: https://medium.com/@mariastepanova7/why-95-of-people-never-achieve-their-dreams-and-how-to-be-in-the-5-d35d6e0a9b20
Oprah Winfrey on The Daily Show on “Knowing Where You Want To Go” (5:20 mark): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_kMOVS1qY8
Emily in Paris: https://www.netflix.com/title/81037371
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