Afleveringen
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Commercial real estate is one of the few asset classes that went through a relatively recent recession and still offers attractive valuations, whether through lending or owning.
Seray Incoglu, Global Head of Asset Management for PIMCO Real Estate Credit, and Matt Tuten, who leads the commercial mortgage-backed securities team, join Greg Hall to assess where the market stands: resilience in multifamily and industrial, continued dislocation in office, and the unresolved question of how AI reshapes demand.
The conversation examines how the current cost basis, durable cash flows, and creditor rights differentiate CRE debt from corporate lending—particularly private direct lending—and where to find relative value between public and private real estate.
(2:23) The state of commercial real estate
(11:49) From strip malls to industrial spaces: where opportunities are emerging
(16:18) How AI may impact the modern workplace
(22:42) When the office turns into an apartment
(31:08) The current role of debt and equity
(36:49) Relative value between public and private markets
(45:50) Looking back to move forward
If you enjoyed the episode, please check out our related resources below:
Podcast: The Four Pillars of Alpha in Asset-Based Finance
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• Listen on Apple
• Listen on Spotify
Video: Inside Today’s Mortgage Credit Opportunity
Video: Financing the Everyday: A Closer Look at Mortgages
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In a world shaped by big headlines, Richard Clarida and Libby Cantrill give advisors a grounded view of what really matters in Washington, the economy, and the markets. Together with host Greg Hall, they explore the next chapter for the Federal Reserve under Kevin Warsh, the fluidity of the conflict in the Middle East, and the political ripple effects of AI, inflation, and tariffs.
About the Speakers
Dr. Richard Clarida is a former Vice Chairman of the Federal Reserve and current Global Economic Advisor at PIMCO
Libby Cantrill is a Managing Director and Head of Public Policy for PIMCO
Greg Hall is the host of Accrued Interest, a Managing Director, and the Head of U.S. Global Wealth Management for PIMCO
(1:09) What to expect from a Warsh-led Fed
(11:09) The fluid nature of the conflict in the Middle East
(15:46) The political ripple effect of inflation
(22:45) How do the midterms shape the rest of 2026?
(25:11) Fiscal credibility and the bond market
(29:37) Is stagflation really in play?
(35:16) Where do things stand with tariffs?
(38:02) The state of AI optimism
If you enjoyed the episode, check out our related resources below:
A New Fed Chair, a New Tone – But Familiar Anchors by Richard Clarida
Podcast: When Geopolitics Becomes an Economic Input (Apple or Spotify)
Subscribe to Libby Cantrill's newsletter, Washington Watch.
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Zijn er afleveringen die ontbreken?
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When geopolitics shift from isolated economic events to consistent economic inputs, advisors need a new playbook – one built on durability and flexibility.
CIO of Non Traditional Strategies Marc Seidner and Head of Emerging Markets Pramol Dhawan join Greg Hall to share:· How geopolitical uncertainty is pushing markets to price wide-ranging outcomes· Why we may get the “stag” without the “flation” · How bonds are outyielding some high-flying AI stocks
All this adds up to an environment where active management is well suited for the moment.
Show notes: (4:42) The thesis of “When Geopolitics Becomes an Economic Input”(11:05) How geopolitical risks may impact the market(13:54) Why today is different than 2022(19:07) Goldilocks or recession? What’s next for the economy (22:46) Bonds outyielding high-flying AI stocks
(26:52) Why active management, why now(29:55) Protecting your portfolio for this moment
If you enjoyed the episode, check out some related resources below:When Geopolitics Becomes an Economic InputThree Cyclical Forces Shaping Markets
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Private credit is much more than a direct lending story. It’s an asset-based finance one, too. And this other lane of private credit continues to be a solid source of diversification and returns. Benjamin Ensminger-Law and Jason Steiner join Greg Hall to walk through this evolving opportunity in private credit, starting with why cash flow velocity and structural diversity set asset-based financing apart from direct lending. From there, they lay out the four pillars of generating alpha in an asset class still in its early innings
Show notes:
(3:58) The state of asset-based finance
(10:09) How the opportunity has evolved
(20:57) Where the consumer meets asset-based finance
(25:16) Deploying capital in such a big space
(30:00) Four pillars of alpha in asset-based finance
(35:10) What we used to do that we don’t anymore
(40:04) What sets asset-based finance apart
(43:20) The illiquidity premium: public vs private markets
If you enjoyed the episode, check out our other asset-based finance resources:
Private Credit’s Other Lanes Still Offer Value with Lotfi Karoui
• Apple
• Spotify
Asset-Based Finance: New Frontiers in Private Credit
• Apple
• Spotify
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The discussion and content provided within this podcast is intended for informational purposes only and may not be appropriate for all investors. Reliance upon information provided in a podcast is at the sole responsibility of the listener. The information included herein is not based on any particularized financial situation, or need, and is not intended to be, and should not be construed as, a forecast, research, investment advice or a recommendation for any specific PIMCO or other security, strategy, product or service. Past performance is not a guarantee of future results. All investments contain risk and may lose value. Investors should speak to their financial advisors regarding the investment mix that may be right for them based on their financial situation and investment objective. Podcasts may involve discussions with non-PIMCO personnel and such content contain the current opinions of the speaker but not necessarily those of PIMCO. Other podcasts may consist of audio recording of an existing PIMCO article and such material contains the current opinions of the manager. The opinions expressed in all podcasts are subject to change without notice. Information contained herein has been obtained from sources believed to be reliable, but not guaranteed. PIMCO as a general matter provides services to qualified institutions, financial intermediaries and institutional investors. This is not an offer to any person in any jurisdiction where unlawful or unauthorized. For additional important information go to www.pimco.com/gbl/en/general/legal-pages/podcast-disclosures. -
PIMCO’s Head of Municipal Bonds Dave Hammer wants taxable investors to pay attention to muni market opportunities in today’s market. With rates at attractive levels, continuing strong credit quality, and seasonal factors affecting bond prices, he is excited about what’s ahead for investors. He discusses the broadening menu of municipal investing, which includes more and more privately-arranged debt in bespoke situations, as well as how thorough credit research and patient sector allocation drive results over the long term. In a world characterized by macro and geopolitical volatility, the muni markets offer a more local solution for investors looking to compound on a tax-efficient basis.”
Show notes:
(4:59) How recent events have impacted the muni market
(10:49) Why today is a good entry point
(16:27) Which sectors have become more or less attractive
(22:23) The divergence in outcomes between different projects
(25:49) Bank retrenchment and the muni market
(29:18) How the team stays ahead
(41:10) Where AI meets the muni market
Check out our related episodes:
Apple:
Practice Makes Perfect: Unlocking Tax Alpha in 2026
Spotify
Practice Makes Perfect: Unlocking Tax Alpha in 2026
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or a recommendation for any specific PIMCO or other security, strategy, product or service. Past performance is not a guarantee of future results. All investments contain risk and may lose value. Investors should speak to their financial advisors regarding the investment mix that may be right for them based on their financial situation and investment objective. Podcasts may involve discussions with non-PIMCO personnel and such content contain the current opinions of the speaker but not necessarily those of PIMCO. Other podcasts may consist of audio recording of an existing PIMCO article and such material contains the current opinions of the manager. The opinions expressed in all podcasts are subject to change without notice. Information contained herein has been obtained from sources believed to be reliable, but not guaranteed. PIMCO as a general matter provides services to qualified institutions, financial intermediaries and institutional investors. This is not an offer to any person in any jurisdiction where unlawful or unauthorized. For additional important information go to www.pimco.com/gbl/en/general/legal-pages/podcast-disclosures. -
Ted Seides — the founder and voice of Capital Allocators — joined Greg Hall on Accrued Interest to “zoom out” from the headlines and talk about larger trends and dynamic shifts he thinks will influence investing for the next decade. The conversation had no script, ranging from equity index composition, to structural changes in private equity, to the ongoing tribulations of the direct lending market. It’s a great chat with a fascinating market observer, and a good opportunity to step away from the newsfeed and think big picture.
Show notes:
[1:50] From the Yale Endowment to Capital
Allocators
[10:10] What Makes Great Investors Great
[18:51] Public Equity vs Private Equity
[22:03] The Slowdown in Exit Activity
[38:13] What’s Going on in Private Credit
[47:19] How Feedback Loops Impact Investor Temperament
Related Episodes:
Apple:
Private Credit’s Other Lanes Still Offer Value with Lotfi Karoui
Will Headlines Hit Your Bottom Line? Risk and Reality in Today’s Credit Markets
Spotify:
Private Credit’s Other Lanes Still Offer Value with Lotfi Karoui
Will Headlines Hit Your Bottom Line? Risk and Reality in Today’s Credit Markets
The discussion and content provided within this podcast is intended for
informational purposes only and may not be appropriate for all investors.
Reliance upon information provided in a podcast is at the sole responsibility of the listener. The information included herein is not based on any particularized financial situation, or need, and is not intended to be, and should not be construed as, a forecast, research, investment advice or a recommendation for any specific PIMCO or other security, strategy, product or service. Past performance is not a guarantee of future results. All investments contain risk and may lose value. Investors should speak to their financial advisors regarding the investment mix that may be right for them based on their financial situation and investment objective. Podcasts may involve discussions with non-PIMCO personnel and such content contain the current opinions of the speaker but not necessarily those of PIMCO. Other podcasts may consist of audio recording of an existing PIMCO article and such material contains the current opinions of the manager. The opinions expressed in all podcasts are subject to change without notice. Information contained herein has been obtained from
sources believed to be reliable, but not guaranteed. PIMCO as a general matter provides services to qualified institutions, financial intermediaries and institutional investors. This is not an offer to any person in any jurisdiction where unlawful or unauthorized. For additional important information go to www.pimco.com/gbl/en/general/legal-pages/podcast-disclosures. -
In the midst of ongoing geopolitical uncertainty, we take a moment to turn our minds to a topic that affects us all and waits for nobody: taxes. To prepare you for 2026 and beyond, Devin Ekberg joins Greg Hall to discuss tax changes from the One Big Beautiful Bill Act and potential pitfalls to avoid. Between deep dives on SALT deduction phaseouts and the potential stackable tax benefits of muni and real estate investments, Devin finds a way to compare tax planning to Van Halen and Brown M&Ms.
Show notes:
(4:43) Tax changes from theOne Big Beautiful Bill Act
(7:19) What mistakes to avoid from the new tax rules
(15:22) Basics of the new Trump Accounts
(19:51) Tax planning and the active vs passive debate
(29:04) How advisors are using munis in portfolios
(34:36) Where does real estate fit in tax planning
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Lately, private credit has attracted its share of grim headlines, but as Lotfi Karoui — PIMCO Managing Director, Multi Asset Credit Strategist and Co Head of Client Solutions and Analytics — points out, many recent developments in the space should be seen as expected features of a cyclical credit market.
In his debut appearance on Accrued Interest, Lotfi and host Greg Hall dig into the private credit story: from direct lending’s emergence after the Great Financial Crisis, to its explosive growth post-COVID, and what we can expect in the future as investor expectations realign to actual opportunities and risks. They also explore diversification options within the private credit landscape, including asset-based finance (ABF) and real estate.
Join us in welcoming Lotfi to PIMCO and Accrued Interest.
Show notes:
(3:50) The emergence of direct lending after the Great Financial Crisis
(7:26) The explosive growth of direct lending post-COVID
(15:29) Why are we seeing headlines about private credit?
(18:50) The spectrum of credit markets
(28:16) Private credit’s other lanes
(34:52) Where are we on the asset-based finance journey?
(38:50) Systemic vs. cyclical risks in private credit
(46:10) What are senior secured loans?
If you enjoyed the episode, explore more of our resources below:
Private Credit’s Other Lanes Still Offer Value
Related Episodes:
Apple:
• Asset-Based Finance: New Frontiers in Private Credit
• Will Headlines Hit Your Bottom Line? Risk and Reality in Today’s Credit Markets
Spotify:
• Asset-Based Finance: New Frontiers in Private Credit
• Will Headlines Hit Your Bottom Line? Risk and Reality in Today’s Credit Markets
The discussion and content provided within this podcast is intended for informational purposes only and may not be appropriate for all investors. Reliance upon information provided in a podcast is at the sole responsibility of the listener. The information included herein is not based on any particularized financial situation, or need, and is not intended to be, and should not be construed as, a forecast, research, investment advice or a recommendation for any specific PIMCO or other security, strategy, product or service. Past performance is not a guarantee of future results. All investments contain risk and may lose value. Investors should speak to their financial advisors regarding the investment mix that may be right for them based on their financial situation and investment objective. Podcasts may involve discussions with non-PIMCO personnel and such content contain the current opinions of the speaker but not necessarily those of PIMCO. Other podcasts may consist of audio recording of an existing PIMCO article and such material contains the current opinions of the manager. The opinions expressed in all podcasts are subject to change without notice. Information contained herein has been obtained from sources believed to be reliable, but not guaranteed. PIMCO as a general matter provides services to qualified institutions, financial intermediaries and institutional investors. This is not an offer to any person in any jurisdiction where unlawful or unauthorized. For additional important information go to www.pimco.com/gbl/en/general/legal-pages/podcast-disclosures -
What began as an uncertain year has only grown more unpredictable, with conflict in the Middle East and stress across credit rattling the broader markets. Christian Stracke, PIMCO’s President and Head of APAC and EMEA, joins Accrued Interest to lay out a framework for investing when uncertainty and volatility are features, not the exception. Together, he and host Greg Hall get into the ripple effects that the latest geopolitical shocks could have on oil prices, inflation and global markets—and why there’s “a crisis of confidence” in some, not all, parts of private credit.
Shownotes:(4:27) The market’s reaction to tension in the Middle East(10:33) How rate markets are digesting recent events(13:43) A framework for investing in uncertain times(18:37) The ripple effect on oil prices and inflation(24:52) A crisis of confidence in credit markets(30:45) How stress in U.S. credit impacts the broader credit landscape
Related Episodes:
Apple:· Expect the Unexpected with Pramol Dhawan· Will Headlines Hit Your Bottom Line? Risk and Reality in Today’s Credit Markets
Spotify:· Expect the Unexpected with Pramol Dhawan· Will Headlines Hit Your Bottom Line? Risk and Reality in Today’s Credit Markets
The discussion and content provided within this podcast is intended for
informational purposes only and may not be appropriate for all investors.
Reliance upon information provided in a podcast is at the sole responsibility of the listener. The information included herein is not based on any particularized financial situation, or need, and is not intended to be, and should not be construed as, a forecast, research, investment advice or a recommendation for any specific PIMCO or other security, strategy, product or service. Past performance is not a guarantee of future results. All investments contain risk and may lose value. Investors should speak to their financial advisors regarding the investment mix that may be right for them based on their financial situation and investment objective. Podcasts may involve discussions with non-PIMCO personnel and such content contain the current opinions of the speaker but not necessarily those of PIMCO. Other podcasts may consist of audio recording of an existing PIMCO article and such material contains the current opinions of the manager. The opinions expressed in all podcasts are subject to change without notice. Information contained herein has been obtained from sources believed to be reliable, but not guaranteed. PIMCO as a general matter provides services to qualified institutions, financial intermediaries and institutional investors. This is not an offer to any person in any jurisdiction where unlawful or unauthorized. For additional important information go to www.pimco.com/gbl/en/general/legal-pages/podcast-disclosures -
Stability, calm, and order are giving way to fragmentation, volatility, and surprise. In his most recent PIMCO Perspectives, co‑authored with Marc Seidner, Pramol Dhawan says that this shift makes 2026 a year when investors should “expect the unexpected.” He joins host Greg Hall to explore how this new world order is reshaping markets — from the opportunities volatility can unlock in global fixed income to the evolving rebalancing between stocks and bonds. They even get into why the world is tilting toward mercantilism, though thankfully, not in a way that forces you to dust off your economics textbooks.
Show notes:
(0:00) Intro
(2:30) How politics are shaping economics
(9:55) What the return of the stock-bond correlations means for investors
(14:33) The case for active management in global markets
(18:03) Risk and opportunities in what’s ahead
(26:28) Why emerging markets now?
(31:35) What “unexpected” really means in “expect the unexpected”
If you enjoyed the episode, explore more of our resources below:
PIMCO Perspectives: Expect the Unexpected
Related episodes:
Dan Ivascyn: Beyond the Base Case in 2026
Don’t Ignore Your Core: Process and Progress with PIMCO CIO Mohit Mittal
Will Headlines Hit Your Bottom Line? Risk and Reality in Today’s Credit Markets
The discussion and content provided within this podcast is intended for
informational purposes only and may not be appropriate for all investors.
Reliance upon information provided in a podcast is at the sole responsibility of the listener. The information included herein is not based on any particularized financial situation, or need, and is not intended to be, and should not be construed as, a forecast, research, investment advice or a recommendation for any specific PIMCO or other security, strategy, product or service. Past performance is not a guarantee of future results. All investments contain risk and may lose value. Investors should speak to their financial advisors regarding the investment mix that may be right for them based on their financial situation and investment objective. Podcasts may involve discussions with non-PIMCO personnel and such content contain the current opinions of the speaker but not necessarily those of PIMCO. Other podcasts may consist of audio recording of an existing PIMCO article and such material contains the current opinions of the manager. The opinions expressed in all podcasts are subject to change without notice. Information contained herein has been obtained from sources believed to be reliable, but not guaranteed. PIMCO as a general matter provides services to qualified institutions, financial intermediaries and institutional investors. This is not an offer to any person in any jurisdiction where unlawful or unauthorized. For additional important information go to www.pimco.com/gbl/en/general/legal-pages/podcast-disclosures -
After a standout year for fixed income, Mohit Mittal, PIMCO’s CIO of Core Strategies, says he still sees plenty of opportunities in 2026, but only for those willing to look. He joins Greg Hall on the latest episode of Accrued Interest to unpack why active is the only responsible way to approach fixed-income markets. And between the deep dives into core bonds and credit markets, Mohit shares his framework for collaborating with the team, which, in Greg’s case, involved a home-cooked meal.
Show notes:
(0:00) Intro
(2:16) Mohit’s 20-year Journey at PIMCO
(9:27) The Active Advantage in Fixed Income
(17:13) How Core Strategies Fit in a Portfolio
(25:27) Economic Outlook: Fed Leadership, Yield Curve, More
(32:55) Peeling Back the Investment Process
(40:38) Complacency in Credit Markets
(47:07) Going on the Offense
(50:53) Views on the U.S. Dollar
If you liked the episode, check out more of Mohit’s recent work
• Calculating the Active Advantage in Fixed Income
The discussion and content provided within this podcast is intended for
informational purposes only and may not be appropriate for all investors.
Reliance upon information provided in a podcast is at the sole responsibility of the listener. The information included herein is not based on any particularized financial situation, or need, and is not intended to be, and should not be construed as, a forecast, research, investment advice or a recommendation for any specific PIMCO or other security, strategy, product or service. Past performance is not a guarantee of future results. All investments contain risk and may lose value. Investors should speak to their financial advisors regarding the investment mix that may be right for them based on their financial situation and investment objective. Podcasts may involve discussions with non-PIMCO personnel and such content contain the current opinions of the speaker but not necessarily those of PIMCO. Other podcasts may consist of audio recording of an existing PIMCO article and such material contains the current opinions of the manager. The opinions expressed in all podcasts are subject to change without notice. Information contained herein has been obtained from sources believed to be reliable, but not guaranteed. PIMCO as a general matter provides services to qualified institutions, financial intermediaries and institutional investors. This is not an offer to any person in any jurisdiction where unlawful or unauthorized. For additional important information go to www.pimco.com/gbl/en/general/legal-pages/podcast-disclosures -
Everything’s on the table when PIMCO's Group CIO Dan Ivascyn and host Greg Hall get together, and the latest episode of Accrued Interest is no exception. They cover familiar territory — like the compelling and durable opportunities in bonds — and then branch out into the Fed’s likely next move, a deeper discussion on credit markets, how home bias can ground a portfolio, and even a ski trip without much snow.
Show notes:
(01:23) From optimistic growth to a k-shaped economy
(09:51) Reading the Fed tea leaves
(15:43) Looking backwards and forwards at the market
(21:27) The realities of corporate and private credit
(28:55) Why flexibility is key going forward
(33:07) The case for global diversification
The discussion and content provided within this podcast is intended for informational purposes only and may not be appropriate for all investors. Reliance upon information provided in a podcast is at the sole responsibility of the listener. The information included herein is not based on any particularized financial situation, or need, and is not intended to be, and should not be construed as, a forecast, research, investment advice or a recommendation for any specific PIMCO or other security, strategy, product or service. Past performance is not a guarantee of future results. All investments contain risk and may lose value. Investors should speak to their financial advisors regarding the investment mix that may be right for them based on their financial situation and investment objective. Podcasts may involve discussions with non-PIMCO personnel and such content contain the current opinions of the speaker but not necessarily those of PIMCO. Other podcasts may consist of audio recording of an existing PIMCO article and such material contains the current opinions of the manager. The opinions expressed in all podcasts are subject to change without notice. Information contained herein has been obtained from sources believed to be reliable, but not guaranteed. PIMCO as a general matter provides services to qualified institutions, financial intermediaries and institutional investors. This is not an offer to any person in any jurisdiction where unlawful or unauthorized. For additional important information go to www.pimco.com/gbl/en/general/legal-pages/podcast-disclosures -
In our last episode of 2025, here are 5 big themes we think will be critical to investment decisions in 2026. Join Greg Hall and Marc Seidner for a discussion about stocks, credit, commodities, and munis, and of course it wouldn’t be Accrued Interest without a fair bit of fixed income! Ugly Christmas sweaters optional…
SHOW NOTES
(2:56) With valuations stretched, what’s attractive in equities for 2026?
(13:43) Is it time to replace cash with bonds?
(23:41) What’s next for Bitcoin, Gold, and other commodities?
(30:24) Risks, realities, and opportunities in credit markets
(49:08) Why munis continue to offer value
If you enjoyed the episode, check out our previous conversations:
Cameron Dawson on Macro, Markets, and Musical Metaphors – Apple, Spotify
Jason Duko on Risks and Realities in Today’s Credit Markets – Apple, Spotify
And read our 2026 Investment Outlook:
Charting the Year Ahead: Investment Ideas for 2026
The discussion and content provided within this podcast is intended for
informational purposes only and may not be appropriate for all investors.
Reliance upon information provided in a podcast is at the sole responsibility of the listener. The information included herein is not based on any particularized financial situation, or need, and is not intended to be, and should not be construed as, a forecast, research, investment advice or a recommendation for any specific PIMCO or other security, strategy, product or service. Past performance is not a guarantee of future results. All investments contain risk and may lose value. Investors should speak to their financial advisors regarding the investment mix that may be right for them based on their financial situation and investment objective. Podcasts may involve discussions with non-PIMCO personnel and such content contain the current opinions of the speaker but not necessarily those of PIMCO. Other podcasts may consist of audio recording of an existing PIMCO article and such material contains the current opinions of the manager. The opinions expressed in all podcasts are subject to change without notice. Information contained herein has been obtained from sources believed to be reliable, but not guaranteed. PIMCO as a general matter provides services to qualified institutions, financial intermediaries and institutional investors. This is not an offer to any person in any jurisdiction where unlawful or unauthorized. For additional important information go to www.pimco.com/gbl/en/general/legal-pages/podcast-disclosures -
Credit markets are making headlines, but what’s really driving the story? Host Greg Hall welcomes Portfolio Manager Jason Duko to break down the latest developments across the continuum of public credit, private credit, and everything in between. Have a listen, and take away a framework for evaluating today’s key questions: what is the value of liquidity in a portfolio, can private markets keep up with a changing environment, and do historical rules of thumb still apply?
SHOW NOTES:
(1:57) The everything rally of 2025 – but dispersion beneath the surface.
(6:11) Recent controversies in the credit markets.
(17:36) A Glossary of Terms: Amendments, Paid-in-Kind, and plain old Defaults.
(23:14) When marking at NAV, what are you marking?
(28:33) The increasing prevalence of the wealth market.
(36:29) PIMCO’s heritage in Asset-Based Finance.
The discussion and content provided within this podcast is intended for
informational purposes only and may not be appropriate for all investors.
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Investing in the current cycle is less mainstream pop and more "math rock" — complex, analytical, and constantly shifting. Cameron Dawson, CIO of NewEdge Wealth, joins Greg Hall to decode the intricate rhythms of today’s markets. Cameron walks us through her thoughts on the death of data, why leading indicators are no longer leading, and how to structure portfolios for clients, all while keeping a pulse on the cultural references that make the conversation sing.
SHOW NOTES:
• Introducing Cameron Dawson, our first-ever outside guest.
• A eulogy to market data as we know it.
• The non-linearity of unemployment – first a little, then a lot.
• Is the “everything rally” turning complacent?
• The assumptions within today’s AI CapEx cycle.
• When the dominos fall: Interconnectivity in the economy.
• Amid these signals, what should investors do?
• The importance of being a multi-handed strategist.
The discussion and content provided within this podcast is intended for informational purposes only and may not be appropriate for all investors. Reliance upon information provided in a podcast is at the sole responsibility of the listener. The information included herein is not based on any particularized financial situation, or need, and is not intended to be, and should not be construed as, a forecast, research, investment advice or a recommendation for any specific PIMCO or other security, strategy, product or service. Past performance is not a guarantee of future results. All investments contain risk and may lose value. Investors should speak to their financial advisors regarding the investment mix that may be right for them based on their financial situation and investment objective. Podcasts may involve discussions with non-PIMCO personnel and such content contain the current opinions of the speaker but not necessarily those of PIMCO. Other podcasts may consist of audio recording of an existing PIMCO article and such material contains the current opinions of the manager. The opinions expressed in all podcasts are subject to change without notice. Information contained herein has been obtained from sources believed to be reliable, but not guaranteed. PIMCO as a general matter provides services to qualified institutions, financial intermediaries and institutional investors. This is not an offer to any person in any jurisdiction where unlawful or unauthorized. For additional important information go to www.pimco.com/gbl/en/general/legal-pages/podcast-disclosures -
Gold continues to command investor attention. PIMCO’s Head of Commodities and Real Assets, Greg Sharenow, and Account Manager Brady Morrison join host Greg Hall to break down the rally, explore shifting dynamics in the broader commodities market, and examine how AI is reshaping energy demand. Tune in for expert insights and timely portfolio perspectives.
Show notes:
Commodity Markets’ Evolution: Efficiency is Table Stakes
Why Gold is a Rocket Ship Recently
Debasement Trade or Diversifying Asset? Making Sense of Investor Sentiment with Gold.
Protecting Spending Power with Commodities
AI is Booming. Will Energy Markets Keep Up with Growing Demand?
Benefits of Active Management in Commodities Investing
Check out Charting Commodity Markets
Follow Greg Sharenow on LinkedIn, for PIMCO’s latest views on commodities and real assets
The discussion and content provided within this podcast is intended for informational purposes only and may not be appropriate for all investors. Reliance upon information provided in a podcast is at the sole responsibility of the listener. The information included herein is not based on any particularized financial situation, or need, and is not intended to be, and should not be construed as, a forecast, research, investment advice or a recommendation for any specific PIMCO or other security, strategy, product or service. Past performance is not a guarantee of future results. All investments contain risk and may lose value. Investors should speak to their financial advisors regarding the investment mix that may be right for them based on their financial situation and investment objective. Podcasts may involve discussions with non-PIMCO personnel and such content contain the current opinions of the speaker but not necessarily those of PIMCO. Other podcasts may consist of audio recording of an existing PIMCO article and such material contains the current opinions of the manager. The opinions expressed in all podcasts are subject to change without notice. Information contained herein has been obtained from sources believed to be reliable, but not guaranteed. PIMCO as a general matter provides services to qualified institutions, financial intermediaries and institutional investors. This is not an offer to any person in any jurisdiction where unlawful or unauthorized. For additional important information go to www.pimco.com/gbl/en/general/legal-pages/podcast-disclosures -
Economist Tiffany Wilding rejoins the podcast to discuss PIMCO’s latest Cyclical Outlook, alongside host Greg Hall and Account Manager Brandon Kunz. Tune in to learn more about how clashing forces are widening the gap between winners and losers and discover the exciting opportunities the team envisions for the future.
Show notes:
1. Overview of PIMCO’s Cyclical Outlook.
2. Rules of Thumb and ‘Pay Backs.’
3. A technological investment boom – effects on employment trends, CAPEX, and more. 4. PIMCO vs. The Street – how do our views stack up? 5. The Agg is finally outyielding cash – is this a tipping point for advisors?
Tariffs, Technology, and Transition: Our Cyclical Outlook
The Fragmentation Era: Our Secular Outlook
An Exploration of Technology Diffusion, Comin & Hobijn, 2010, American
Economic Review
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Host Greg Hall sits down with former Federal Reserve Vice Chairman and PIMCO Global Economic Advisor Dr. Richard Clarida to discuss the events leading to the Fed’s much-anticipated decision. In this episode we take you behind this week’s 25 bps cut, sharing an insider’s perspective on how the Fed parsed rapidly-evolving economic signals in trade, labor markets, and inflation – and where the data may point us next.
Show notes:
The Fed’s decision-making process
Reading signals: Thoughts on shifting patterns around trade, labor markets, inflation and more.
Fed independence: Thoughts on Cook, Bessent, Miran, and others.
What is it like being in the room?
Read our FOMC Insights Article: Fed Delivers Dovish Shift, Restarts Rate-Cutting Cycle.
The discussion and content provided within this podcast is intended for informational purposes only and may not be appropriate for all investors. Reliance upon information provided in a podcast is at the sole responsibility of the listener. The information included herein is not based on any particularized financial situation, or need, and is not intended to be, and should not be construed as, a forecast, research, investment advice or a recommendation for any specific PIMCO or other security, strategy, product or service. Past performance is not a guarantee of future results. All investments contain risk and may lose value. Investors should speak to their financial advisors regarding the investment mix that may be right for them based on their financial situation and investment objective. Podcasts may involve discussions with non-PIMCO personnel and such content contain the current opinions of the speaker but not necessarily those
of PIMCO. Other podcasts may consist of audio recording of an existing PIMCO article and such material contains the current opinions of the manager. The opinions expressed in all podcasts are subject to change without notice. Information contained herein has been obtained from sources believed to be reliable, but not guaranteed. PIMCO as a general matter provides services to qualified institutions, financial intermediaries and institutional investors. This is not an offer to any person in any jurisdiction where unlawful or unauthorized. For additional important information go to www.pimco.com/gbl/en/general/legal-pages/podcast-disclosures -
ETFs are no longer an “if” but a “yes, how?” for many advisors – and as the ETF market continues to grow in size and sophistication, active bond ETFs have emerged as a compelling tool for advisors. Join host Greg Hall as he sits down with Head of ETF Sales, U.S. Global Wealth Management Adam Browne and Account Manager Todd Mangis to chart the growth of active bond ETFs in the US markets, the efficiencies they unlock for advisors, and how they are changing the fundamental dynamic of fixed income.
Show Notes:
Introduction
The Rise of ETFs - How Did We Get Here?
From Chords to Solos: Why Active Bond ETFs?
ETFs are Changing the Dynamic in Fixed Income
Attractive Opportunities in Active Bond ETFs
PIMCO and ETF Product Development
What's Around the Corner for Advisors?
4 Themes Defining Bond ETF Investing Today
The discussion and content provided within this podcast is intended for informational purposes only and may not be appropriate for all investors. Reliance upon information provided in a podcast is at the sole responsibility of the listener. The information included herein is not based on any particularized financial situation, or need, and is not intended to be, and should not be construed as, a forecast, research, investment advice or a recommendation for any specific PIMCO or other security, strategy, product or service. Past performance is not a guarantee of future results. All investments contain risk and may lose value. Investors should speak to their financial advisors regarding the investment mix that may be right for them based on their financial situation and investment objective. Podcasts may involve discussions with non-PIMCO personnel and such content contain the current opinions of the speaker but not necessarily those
of PIMCO. Other podcasts may consist of audio recording of an existing PIMCO article and such material contains the current opinions of the manager. The opinions expressed in all podcasts are subject to change without notice. Information contained herein has been obtained from sources believed to be reliable, but not guaranteed. PIMCO as a general matter provides services to qualified institutions, financial intermediaries and institutional investors. This is not an offer to any person in any jurisdiction where unlawful or unauthorized. For additional important information go to www.pimco.com/gbl/en/general/legal-pages/podcast-disclosures -
In this extra credit episode, PIMCO’s Marc Seidner and Pramol Dhawan sit with host Greg Hall for their Q3 PIMCO Perspectives discussion. They unpack the current market environment shaped by tariffs, a weaker US dollar, and fiscal challenges while spotlighting the value of global diversification and intermediate-duration bonds. Tune in for practical knowledge to help advisors build resilient portfolios and steer through market swings for their clients in the second half of 2025.
Part 1. Introduction
Part 2. The Global vs. U.S. Opportunity Set Today
Part 3. The Future of the Fed
Part 4. Asset Allocation: 60/40 or Something Else?
Part 5. How U.S. Macro Trends Could Play Out
Part 6. How Advisors Can Navigate Current Complexity
PIMCO Perspectives – Holding Steady Amid Whipsawing Markets
The discussion and content provided within this podcast is intended for informational purposes only and may not be appropriate for all investors. Reliance upon information provided in a podcast is at the sole responsibility of the listener. The information included herein is not based on any particularized financial situation, or need, and is not intended to be, and should not be construed as, a forecast, research, investment advice or a recommendation for any specific PIMCO or other security, strategy, product or service. Past performance is not a guarantee of future results. All investments contain risk and may lose value. Investors should speak to their financial advisors regarding the investment mix that may be right for them based on their financial situation and investment objective. Podcasts may involve discussions with non-PIMCO personnel and such content contain the current opinions of the speaker but not necessarily those
of PIMCO. Other podcasts may consist of audio recording of an existing PIMCO article and such material contains the current opinions of the manager. The opinions expressed in all podcasts are subject to change without notice. Information contained herein has been obtained from sources believed to be reliable, but not guaranteed. PIMCO as a general matter provides services to qualified institutions, financial intermediaries and institutional investors. This is not an offer to any person in any jurisdiction where unlawful or unauthorized. For additional important information go to www.pimco.com/gbl/en/general/legal-pages/podcast-disclosures - Laat meer zien
