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  • Today, Hunter is joined once again by NAPD’s Jeff Sherr. This time, they sat down to discuss NAPD’s new Change Maker Forum, what Hunter learned from attending, and how NAPD hopes to use it to spark new, impactful changes in Public Defense.

    Guests:

    Jeff Sherr, Director of Training, National Association of Public Defense

    Resources:

    NAPD Changemaker Forum 2025

    https://publicdefenders.us/event/the-changemakers-forum-napd-strategic-exchange-3/

    Notes from 2024

    https://publicdefenders.us/blogs/napd-changemakers-forum-tackles-public-defense-challenges/

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  • Today, Hunter is joined by Ph.D. candidate and law student Andrew Gurrero to discuss his research about the evolution of the UCLA police department. In this episode, Hunter and Andrew explore the origins of the department and the forces that drove the department away from its original mandate.

    Guests:

    Andrew Gurrero, Ph.D Candidate, Harvard

    Resources:

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  • Today, Hunter is joined once again by Rebecca Schaffer to discuss plea bargaining in Europe. As we did on Tuesday, this episode aims to help people understand the intractable problems with plea deals and what countries are doing to try and ameliorate those problems

    Guests:

    Rebecca Schaffer, Former Legal Director, Fair Trials

    Resources:

    Follow Rebecca on Twitter

    https://x.com/rebeccashaeffe?lang=en

    Email Rebecca

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    Read the Reports

    https://www.fairtrials.org/articles/film-video/trial-waiver-systems-in-europe-punishment-without-a-trial/

    https://www.fairtrials.org/articles/publications/the-disappearing-trial/

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  • Today, Hunter is joined once again by Aditi Goel of the Sixth Amendment Center. This time, we discuss their recent report about Public Defense in South Dakota. Like many county based, county funded Public Defense systems, South Dakota is plagued with underfunding, under staffing, lack of independence, and cost saving practices that make Public Defense ineffective. Yet, this episode has a ray of hope because for the first time in its history, the state appears poised to radically reimagine how it funds, supports, and organizes Public Defense.

    Guests:

    Aditi Goel, Deputy Director, Sixth Amendment Center

    Resources:

    Read the Report Here:

    https://6ac.org/new-6ac-report-finds-south-dakota-counties-are-at-a-breaking-point-and-need-state-oversight/

    New South Dakota Public Defense Commission

    https://www.sdpb.org/crime-courts/2024-10-07/public-defense-challenges-highlighted-as-commission-begins-work

    https://sdlegislature.gov/Session/Bill/24943/265191

    Task Force Report

    https://ujs.sd.gov/uploads/committees/Indigent/ILSTaskForceFinalReportRecommendations.pdf

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  • Today, Hunter is joined once again by Lucian Dervan to discuss plea bargaining. This time, he joins to discuss what we can learn about plea bargaining from Japan’s failed attempt to implement plea bargaining system.

    Guests:

    Lucian Dervan, Professor of Law and Director of Criminal Justice Studies, Belmont College of Law, Founding Director of the Plea Bargaining Institute

    Resources:

    Link to Lucian’s book on Plea Bargaining

    https://www.americanbar.org/products/inv/book/440099902/

    Lucian’s Work with Plea Bargaining Institute

    https://pleabargaininginstitute.com/about-pbi/founding-director/

    Study on Japan and Korea

    https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3768687

    https://news.belmont.edu/dervan-shares-research-on-plea-bargaining-with-japanese-officials/

    Original Study

    https://scholarlycommons.law.northwestern.edu/jclc/vol103/iss1/1/

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  • Today, Hunter is joined by Oregon Criminal Defense and Victim’s Rights lawyer Rachel Philips. Over the past three years, Rachel has been outspoken about retaliation that women attorneys faced from members of the Oregon Public Defense Commission. She joins the show to discuss her efforts to bring that retaliation to light and to discuss her candidacy for a seat on the bench in Multnomah County.

    Guests:

    Rachel Philips, Criminal Defense Lawyer, Victim’s Rights Lawyer, Candidate for Judicial Position 38, Multnomah County, Oregon

    Resources:

    Links to the Judicial Race:

    League of women voters candidate forum: https://youtu.be/goGR8mEDSy8?si=dx9UqPhHSI5BdzwM

    League of women voters interview: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aTjwwMLP_JE

    LWV candidate statements : https://www.vote411.org/plan-your-vote (If it doesn't pull it up, plug in my office address and it will by the race.

    My campaign website: https://rachelphilipsforjudge.com/

    Campaign Twitter: https://x.com/Rachel4Judge

    Campaign Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/rachelforjudge/

    Oregonian article: https://www.oregonlive.com/politics/2024/10/surprise-open-seat-for-multnomah-county-judge-draws-pack-of-contenders.html?outputType=amp

    Willamette Week article: https://www.wweek.com/news/2024/09/12/the-window-opens-and-shuts-quickly-for-unusual-judicial-vacancy-in-multnomah-county/

    Multnomah Bar Association Candidate Statements: https://www.mbabar.org/about/mba-news/candidate-statements---circuit-court-judge-position-38/

    Also, here's the Oregonian's endorsement of the DA (not a surprise): https://www.oregonlive.com/opinion/2024/10/editorial-endorsement-november-2024-elect-jeff-auxier-to-multnomah-county-bench.html

    And my answers to their questions: https://www.oregonlive.com/editors/2024/10/rachel-philips-multnomah-county-judge-position-38.html

    Also Ballotpedia: https://ballotpedia.org/Rachel_Philips

    And the Multnomah Bar Association candidate statements: https://mbabar.org/judicialcandidates

    https://www.portlandmercury.com/election-guide-2024/2024/10/16/47453705/your-mercury-2024-election-cheat-sheet

    Folder with Report and Statements

    https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1QbvIppKcTDpSpLiQD4nFhA0IxLfVajiV?usp=sharing

    Media coverage of defense crisis and investigation into OPDS, I tried to keep it mainly chronological, from oldest to most recent:

    https://www.oregoncapitalinsider.com/news/state-public-defense-office-out-of-money/article_b7e0e664-dae4-59fc-b846-23c86f14e8ae.html

    https://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-northwest-news/2021/07/as-state-public-defense-office-emerges-from-nearly-4-million-deficit-attorneys-raise-other-concerns-about-mismanagement.html

    https://www.portlandmercury.com/news/2021/08/11/35853142/women-defense-attorneys-accuse-oregons-public-defense-agency-of-retaliation-and-pay-inequity

    https://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-northwest-news/2021/08/aclu-calls-for-investigation-after-female-attorneys-raise-retaliation-pay-concerns-at-state-public-defenders-office.html

    This mentions Tara Herivel not being paid her negotitated rate:

    https://www.oregonlive.com/politics/2022/03/states-embattled-public-defense-office-signed-contracts-worth-400000-to-hire-consultants-including-former-state-rep-jennifer-williamson.html

    Tara's guest column: https://www.oregonlive.com/opinion/2022/03/opinion-oregons-public-defense-crisis-rooted-in-longstanding-failures.html

    https://www.opb.org/article/2022/12/09/oregon-criminal-justice-system-publid-defender-shortage-crisis/

    https://www.opb.org/article/2022/08/16/day-after-firing-public-defense-commissioners-oregons-chief-justice-appoints-new-members/

    Here is Oregon ACLU landing page with timeline and their letters and actions: https://www.aclu-or.org/en/campaigns/fighting-gender-based-discrimination-public-defense-system#:~:text=Timeline-,August%202021,J.D.%2C%20to%20begin%20the%20investigation.

    https://x.com/rachelbusygrl/status/1681469783194357762 - has opinion in Tara's case that she won against OPDS

    https://www.oregonlive.com/politics/2023/07/ousted-oregon-public-defense-leader-to-get-380000-to-settle-whisteblower-claims.html?utm_campaign=theoregonian_sf&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter

    https://www.opb.org/article/2023/07/18/former-head-oregon-public-defense-singer-settles-with-state-for-380000k/

    https://www.oregonlive.com/crime/2024/02/report-shows-some-female-public-defenders-in-oregon-earned-less-than-male-counterparts-with-lots-of-caveats.html

    https://www.wweek.com/news/courts/2024/08/15/report-finds-top-lawyer-at-state-public-defense-agency-retaliated-against-two-female-attorneys/#:~:text=The%20report%20was%20commissioned%20by,represent%20every%20indigent%20criminal%20defendant.

    https://www.wweek.com/news/courts/2024/02/07/long-awaited-investigation-into-gender-disparities-in-public-defender-pay-finds-considerable-inconsistency/

    https://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-northwest-news/2024/09/no-discipline-for-oregon-public-defense-agency-leader-accused-of-retaliating-against-women-lawyers.html

    Rachel’s letter to the editor in 2023: https://www.oregonlive.com/opinion/2023/05/readers-respond-public-defense-system-needs-accountability.html

    https://www.wweek.com/news/2024/10/20/aclu-demands-firing-of-state-public-defense-agencys-top-lawyer/

    https://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-northwest-news/2024/10/aclu-demands-dismissal-of-top-lawyer-at-oregon-public-defense-agency.html?outputType=amp

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  • Today, Hunter is joined by Ames Grawert of the Brennan Center to discuss a recent Brennan Center report of Bail Reform’s impact (or lack thereof) on crime rates.

    Guests:

    Ames Grawert, Senior Counsel, Brennan Center for Justice

    Resources:

    Read the Report

    https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/bail-reform-and-public-safety

    Read more of Ames’ Work

    https://www.brennancenter.org/experts/ames-grawert

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  • Today, Hunter is joined by Raj Jayadev of Silicon Valley De-Bug to discuss participatory defense. In the early 2000’s, Raj and SVDB sought to give communities a voice in places they traditionally were excluded from or ignored. Eventually, the community made clear that they needed and wanted a way to be more involved with the criminal legal system. From there, SVDB came up with participatory defense to help communities navigate the criminal legal system and play an active role in the defense of members of their community.

    Guests:

    Raj Jayadev, Coordinator of Silicon Valley De-Bug and National Participatory Defense Network

    Resources:

    Silicon Valley De-Bug Website

    https://www.siliconvalleydebug.org/

    And Socials

    https://x.com/svdebug

    https://www.facebook.com/sv.debug

    https://www.instagram.com/sv_debug/

    Pick up a Copy of Raj’s Book

    https://thenewpress.com/books/protect-your-people

    https://www.amazon.com/Protect-Your-People-Participatory-Incarceration/dp/1620977001

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  • Today, Hunter is joined by Jee Park, the Executive Director of the Innocence Project of New Orleans to discuss wrongful convictions and post-conviction work in Louisiana. After our past two episodes, it should be clear that there are serious issues with adult and youth representation in Louisiana. Unfortunately, this keeps groups like IPNO extremely busy, and that ensures that inevitably they will not be able to help every person who Louisiana has wrongfully convicted.

    Guests:

    Jee Park, Executive Director, Innocence Project New Orleans

    Resources:

    Learn more about IPNO

    https://ip-no.org/

    https://x.com/_ipno_

    https://www.facebook.com/IPNOLA/

    https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCndzvJoSSZSqgT4_0D42zdw/videos

    https://www.instagram.com/_ipno_/

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  • Today, Hunter is joined by Hannah Van De Car to discuss the recent “tough on crime” policies that Louisiana Jeff Landry is pursuing in the Youth Justice space. From a repeal of raise the age to increased future punishment for children in possession of firearms, Governor Landry is taking an already punitive state and making it into one of the most pro carceral places on Earth.

    Guests:

    Hannah Van De Car, Deputy Legal Director, Louisiana Center for Children’s Rights

    Resources:

    Contact Hannah

    https://lakidsrights.org/about-us/staff/hannah-van-de-car/

    Check out the work of LCCR

    https://lakidsrights.org/

    https://www.facebook.com/lakidsrights

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    https://lakidsrights.org/we-advocate/youth-in-the-adult-system/

    https://lakidsrights.org/we-advocate/youth-in-the-juvenile-system/

    Reading about the Raise the Age Change

    https://www.propublica.org/article/louisiana-teens-prosecution-reverse-raise-the-age

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  • Today, Hunter is joined once again by Derwyn Bunton. The last time Derwyn was on the show, he was the chief Public Defender in the Orleans Parish of Louisiana, but he is now the Chief Legal Officer at the Southern Poverty Law Center. Today, Derwyn joined the show to discuss what has been happening with Louisiana’s Public Defender system. Specifically, Derwyn is here to discuss the consolidation of power into the hands of Remy Starns and the policies Remy is pursuing with his new found power.

    Guests:

    Derwyn Bunton, Chief Legal Officer, Southern Poverty Law Center

    Resources:

    Contact the Southern Poverty Law Center

    https://www.instagram.com/splcenter/

    https://www.facebook.com/SPLCenter

    https://x.com/splcenter

    https://www.splcenter.org/about/staff/derwyn-bunton

    Coverage of Louisiana Public Defense

    https://boltsmag.org/jeff-landry-louisiana-public-defense/

    https://lailluminator.com/2024/02/19/proposed-louisiana-public-defender-overhaul-is-a-power-grab-critics-say/

    Board votes down Starns’ proposal for salary cuts

    https://lailluminator.com/2024/10/17/louisianas-newly-configured-public-defender-board-rejects-landry-administration-pay-plan/

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  • Today, Hunter is joined by Pam Vickrey, Executive Director of the Utah Juvenile Defender Attorneys to discuss a recent report, conducted in partnership with the Gault Center, about the problems and promises of Youth Defense in Utah.

    Guests:

    Pam Vickrey, Executive Director, Utah Juvenile Defender Attorneys

    Resources:

    Read the Report Here

    https://www.defendyouthrights.org/wp-content/uploads/Utah-Assessment-Report.pdf

    Check out More of the Gault Center’s Work

    https://www.defendyouthrights.org/

    Utah Juvenile Defender Attorneys

    https://ujda.org/

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  • Today, Hunter is joined by journalist Katey Rusch to discuss her recent bombshell reporting on California law enforcement agencies use of “clean record” agreements to keep police misconduct from defense lawyers, the public, and even other law enforcement agencies.

    Guests:

    Katey Rusch, Reporter, California

    Resources:

    Contact Katey

    https://journalism.berkeley.edu/person/katey-rusch/

    [email protected]

    https://x.com/KateyRusch

    https://www.facebook.com/kateyrusch/

    Read the Reporting Here:

    https://www.sfchronicle.com/projects/2024/police-clean-record-agreements/

    https://www.sfchronicle.com/california/article/clean-record-agreements-investigation-19752768.php

    https://www.sfchronicle.com/projects/2024/police-clean-record-agreements-pensions/

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  • Today, Hunter is joined by Paul Bowen and Jacqueline van Wormer Ph.D. to discuss the juvenile treatment courts that they have helped set up around the country. As has been the case on previous episodes about youth defense, today we discuss both the politics and science behind ensuring that courts are considering the unique needs of the youth being processed through them.

    Guests:

    Paul Bowen, Project Director, Treatment Court Institute, All Rise

    Jacquline van Wormer Ph.D., Director, Center for Advancing Justice, All Rise

    Resources:

    All Rise

    https://allrise.org/news/meet-our-divisions-4/

    https://www.instagram.com/allrise_org/

    https://www.facebook.com/AllRise.org

    https://x.com/_allrise_

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    https://www.linkedin.com/company/weallrise

    Contact Paul

    https://allrise.org/our-team/paul-bowen/

    Contact Jacqueline

    https://crmj.wsu.edu/chair-faculty-graduate-students-and-staff/faculty/jacqueline-van-wormer/

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  • Today, Hunter is joined by civil litigator Park Stinar to discuss his work in suing people and organizations who have sexually violated his clients. Through his career, Parker has pursued justice against Larry Nassar and Michigan State, the Catholic Church, Juvenile Detention Facilities, and the University of Michigan because of their role in the sexual assault of his clients. While not a normal episode for the show, today we ask a vitally important question: If our criminal legal system is operating properly and it is difficult to secure a conviction, what other avenues are available to people to get remedy and redress for the wrongs done to them?

    Guests:

    Parker Stinar, Managing Partner, Stinar Gould Grieco and Hensley

    Resources:

    Parker Stinar Contact

    https://www.sgghlaw.com/attorneys/parker-stinar/

    https://x.com/parkerstinar

    Catholic Church

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/sep/21/louisiana-catholic-church-sexual-abuse-victims-lawsuit-window#:~:text=Months%20after%20Louisiana's%20supreme,to%20strike%20the%20statute%20down.

    https://ballsandstrikes.org/legal-culture/louisiana-supreme-court-church-abuse-case/

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/article/2024/jun/12/louisiana-supreme-court-child-sexual-abuse-catholic-church

    Larry Nasser and University of Michigan State

    https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/2024/04/23/justice-doj-larry-nassar-victims/73426711007/

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  • Today, Hunter is joined once again by Leah Nelson, and this time, she is joined by Judge Stepehen Wallace. On today’s episode, Leah and Judge Wallace are her to unveil their years long research into the fines and fees that the Jefferson County, Alabama Courts are extracting from criminal defendants. As will surprise no one who listens to the show, the fines and fees program fails the accused, fails victims, fails to fund the legal system, and thus, fails the entire state of Alabama.

    Guests:

    Leah Nelson, Co-Founder, Jefferson County Equitable Fines and Fees Project, Alabama

    Stepehen Wallace, Circuit Judge, Jefferson County, Birmingham, Alabama

    Resources:

    Coverage of Aug. 2024 Releases

    https://aldailynews.com/court-fee-system-inefficient-discriminatory-research-finds/

    https://aldailynews.com/column-crime-and-garnishment/

    https://aldailynews.com/capitol-journal-september-13-2024/

    Oct. 2024 paper with IBM

    https://krvarshney.github.io/pubs/LaraYejasJMNSTNBV_aies2024.pdf

    Aug. 2024 with MDRC

    https://www.mdrc.org/sites/default/files/JeffCoFines%26Fees_Brief_FInal.pdf

    Background reading on--

    Brookside (the Ferguson of Alabama): https://www.al.com/bankingoncrime/

    Alabama tax policy and how the Alabama constitution encourages reliance on fines and fees: https://www.nytimes.com/2022/07/27/opinion/alabama-fines-fees.html

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  • Today, Hunter is joined by two people who’s work attempts to bring people together to heal after a wrongful conviction. Jennifer Thompson, Founder of Healing Justice, and Professor Jamie Lau from Duke University join the show to discuss how they help the wrongfully convicted, the victims in a wrongful conviction, the families of both, and the communities they are from come together to talk and hopefully heal from the bomb that is a wrongful conviction

    Guests:

    Jennifer Thompson, Founder, Healing Justice

    Jamie Lau, Clinical Professor of Law, Duke University School of Law

    Resources:

    Healing Justice Website

    https://healingjusticeproject.org/

    Contact Jamie

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    https://x.com/laudurham

    Innocence Network

    https://innocencenetwork.org/

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  • Today, Hunter is joined by former Public Defender and current Senior Advisor to District Attorney Larry Krasner, Matthew Stiegler. After Tuesday’s episode, we saw the promise and limitations of Public Defenders holding police accountable, and today, we examine those same promises and limitations for criminal legal reforms that progressive prosecution offers.

    Guests:

    Matthew Stiegler, Senior Advisor to District Attorney Larry Krasner, Philadelphia

    Resources:

    Follow Matthew on Twitter

    https://x.com/matthewstiegler?lang=en

    Philly DA

    https://phillyda.org/

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  • Today, Hunter is joined by two Philly Public Defenders, Michael Mellon and Paula Sen, to discuss how their work with the Philly Public Defender Police Accountability Unit helped to uncover a systemic pattern and practice of lies and illegal use of surveillance cameras.

    Guests:

    Paula Sen, Assistant Public Defender, Defender Association of Philadelphia

    Michael Mellon, Assistant Public Defender, Defender Association of Philadelphia

    Resources:

    Reporting on the Illegal use of Surveillance Cameras

    https://www.inquirer.com/news/philadelphia/philadelphia-police-video-surveillance-drug-arrests-20240508.html

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  • Today, Hunter is joined by Stanislaus County Chief Public Defender, Jennifer Jennison. In the past year, Jennifer has been confronted with the most challenging question a Chief can face: Should I refuse to take on new cases because the current workload that my attorneys have is unethically high? Today’s episode attempts to understand that historical and current conditions that lead Jennifer to make this difficult decision.

    Guests:

    Jennifer Jennison, Chief Public Defender, Stanislaus County, California

    Resources:

    Modesto Bee Reporting

    https://www.modbee.com/news/local/article288551423.html

    Stanislaus County Public Defender

    https://www.stancounty.com/publicdefender/

    OSPD Reporting on Public Defense in California

    https://www.ospd.ca.gov/wp-content/uploads/2024/04/Californias-58-Public-Defense-Systems-Accessible.pdf

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