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In this episode of SaaS Fuel, Jeff Mains sits down with Natalia Zacharin, founder of Zacharin & Co Consulting, to talk about financial clarity, fractional CFO strategies, and turning financial chaos into sustainable growth.
They unpack why most SaaS companies operate blind when it comes to money, the dangers of growing too fast, and how founders can stop guessing and start scalingâwith confidence.
Natalia also shares how one founder survived a major revenue drop without debt, and the psychology behind smart financial decisions that separate profitable businesses from struggling ones.
Key Takeaways00:00 â The payroll-to-revenue sweet spot for SaaS (30% rule)
01:06 â Welcome to SaaS Fuel with Jeff Mains
02:00 â Why financial clarity is a superpower
03:48 â Meet guest: Natalia Zachary, founder of Zachary & Co
05:37 â From accounting to strategic CFO: Nataliaâs journey
06:38 â Why founders must own their numbers
08:22 â What a fractional CFO actually does
10:54 â Why growth can lead to running out of cash
12:05 â Hiring mistakes and scaling with intention
18:10 â Forecasting tips for SaaS founders
21:57 â Most important SaaS metrics to watch
24:45 â The difference between profit and cash in the bank
27:12 â Avoiding the CAC-to-cash gap
30:33 â Why profit matters again (finally)
35:07 â Turning a low-margin SaaS into a sellable asset
39:11 â Tools to simplify financial tracking
41:23 â How masterminds improve founder financial IQ
43:15 â The future of AI in finance
46:42 â Mindset shift: clarity > avoidance
Tweetable QuotesâFast growth can kill your business if you donât manage cash.â â Natalia Zacharin
âFinancials arenât just numbersâtheyâre the story of your business.â â Jeff Mains
âYou donât need a huge finance team. You need a smart one.â â Natalia Zacharin
âIf you don't know your runway, you're already flying blind.â â Jeff Mains
âA mind once stretched by new numbers never returns to old assumptions.â â Natalia Zacharin
âRevenue is vanity. Profit is sanity. Cash is reality.â â Jeff Mains
SaaS Leadership LessonsKeep Payroll at 30% of Revenue â It gives breathing room for taxes, reinvestment, and founder salary.Fractional CFOs Are Game-Changers â They offer high-level insights without the full-time cost.You Can Grow Yourself to Death â Fast growth without cash control leads to disaster.Forecasting Beats Guessing â A basic forecast can prevent gut-based, costly decisions.Profit â Cash â Just because you're profitable on paper doesn't mean you have money in the bank.SaaS Valuation Starts with Financial Clarity â A sellable business has healthy margins, clean books, and intentional growth.
Guest ResourcesEmail - [email protected]
Website - http://www.zacharinconsulting.com
Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/natalia.alekseyevna/
Linkedin - https://www.linkedin.com/in/growyourbottomline
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In this episode of SaaS Fuel, Jeff Mains is joined by cybersecurity expert and SafeStack CEO Laura Bell Main to reframe how SaaS founders think about security. Itâs not just compliance or a checklistâitâs a cultural foundation for growth. Laura shares how security, when embedded early, accelerates deals, reduces friction in enterprise sales, and strengthens trust with customers before it's ever questioned.
Youâll learn how to shift developer mindsets, build security into your engineering culture, and avoid the costly mistake of treating security as someone else's job.
Whether youâre a bootstrapped founder or VC-backed startup, this is the episode that helps futureproof your SaaSâwithout killing your velocity.
Key Takeaways00:00 â Intro: Hiring challenges in a capital-efficient SaaS world
01:47 â Why security isnât a featureâitâs the foundation
02:16 â Creating a dev culture where security is second nature
04:00 â Guest intro: Laura Bell Main of SafeStack
05:04 â Lauraâs cybersecurity journey and founding SafeStack
08:01 â Security as culture, not compliance
10:50 â Scaling to 84 countries with no ad spend
13:03 â From side project to global venture
14:52 â Early founder mistakes and big lessons
17:06 â Culture of learning: âWhat I Learned Todayâ
18:46 â Scaling support for SaaS founders
20:00 â Filtering the noise and trusting your next step
22:35 â Cross-cultural founder lessons
25:17 â Internal culture: Balancing trust, safety, and innovation
29:13 â Designing security education that actually works
33:15 â Getting entire engineering teams involved
36:10 â The risk of delaying security in SaaS
38:28 â Accelerating enterprise sales with security
Tweetable QuotesâSecurity isnât a taskâitâs a culture.â â Laura Bell Main
âMost SaaS founders wait until itâs too late to think about security.â â Jeff Mains
âEmbedding security early isnât a slowdownâitâs an accelerant.â â Laura Bell Main
âThe cost of a bad hire is nothing compared to the cost of a poor culture.â â Jeff Mains
âIf 150 developers is your threshold for hiring a security person, youâve waited too long.â â Laura Bell Main
âScaling a SaaS company requires fewer hacks and more habits.â â Jeff Mains
SaaS Leadership LessonsSecurity Is a Culture, Not a Checkbox
Making security part of your team's DNA creates long-term growth, not short-term friction.
Hire Based on Pain, Not Hope
Scaling prematurely can be just as dangerous as hiring too late.
Start Security EarlyâNot After the First Enterprise Deal
Founders who embed security from the start build trust faster and shorten the sales cycle.
Teach Security as Behavior, Not Just Theory
SafeStack succeeds by focusing on culture change, not technical checklists.
Global Growth Without Ads Is Possible
If your mission is clear and execution solid, early adopters will spread the word.
Your Culture Is the Greatest Risk or Asset
Create an environment where learning is daily, mistakes are shared, and trust is built top-down
Guest ResourcesEmail - [email protected]
Website - https://safestack.io/
Linkedin - https://www.linkedin.com/in/laurabellmain/
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What if you could double your conversions just by asking smarter questions?
This week on SaaS Fuel, Jeff Mains sits down with Chris Dayley, founder of Smart CRO and neuro-marketing expert, to dig deep into how psychology-based testing drives better conversions. Chris shares why most A/B tests fail, the real reason copycat tactics donât work, and how you can optimize for outcomesânot just aesthetics.
Youâll learn how to run smarter experiments, structure content for maximum impact, and why removing content can outperform adding more. Whether youâre early-stage or scaling fast, this episode is packed with practical insights that will help you convert more, guess less, and scale smarter.
Key Takeaways00:00 â Early-stage testing: Why slow tests are still valuable
02:03 â Why CRO is NOT about copy-paste tactics
02:32 â Aim for 10%+ test impact, not 1% tweaks
03:03 â AI in CRO: Use it, but donât rely on it
04:10 â Meet Chris Dayley: Neuro-marketer & CRO expert
05:01 â What is neuro-marketing?
08:43 â The #1 CRO mistake: Building from assumptions
10:52 â Gut vs data: Why founders miss the mark
14:03 â Copycat optimization is a losing game
17:00 â B2B vs B2C behavioral differences
21:14 â Testing with low traffic? Hereâs what to do
24:45 â Content hierarchy and CRO: What to keep, what to kill
30:55 â What makes a good test? Hint: not button colors
36:03 â CRO templates, myths, and shortcuts to avoid
44:45 â AI personalization, chatbots, and evolving expectations
51:07 â Why 1% gains donât mean much for small companies
53:04 â Remove friction. Make conversion easier.
Tweetable QuotesâIf you only test fast, youâre testing wrong. Great data takes time.â â Chris Dayley
âThe best CRO isnât about flashy buttons. Itâs about how people think.â â Chris Dayley
âYouâre not Amazon. Stop copying their CRO strategy.â â Jeff Mains
âConversion starts with one question: What do they really want right now?â â Chris Dayley
âA pretty site doesnât pay the bills. One that converts does.â â Jeff Mains
âYour gut is not a marketing strategy. Data is.â â Chris Dayley
SaaS Leadership LessonsDonât rush testingâdata over speed. Even if your traffic is low, long-running A/B tests are better than guesswork.Copying competitors is a trap. Their site may be under test, built on assumptions, or not even working for them.Design doesnât convertâpsychology does. CRO should be rooted in how people think, not how sites look.Small businesses shouldnât chase 1% lifts. Focus on big wins (10%+) that actually move the needle.Remove content to boost performance. Simpler, faster sites often outperform flashy designs.Content hierarchy matters. Prioritize what users care about mostâand test your assumptions ruthlessly.
Guest ResourcesEmail - [email protected]
Website - http://www.smart-cro.com/
LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/chrisdayley/
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What does it take to build a new tech category before the market is ready?
In this episode of SaaS Fuel, host Jeff Mains dives deep with Danny Tomsett, founder and CEO of UneeQ, the global leader in emotionally intelligent AI-powered digital humans. From early breakthroughs to hard pivots, Danny shares how his team navigated the rollercoaster of creating frontier tech, scaling sustainably, and keeping vision and culture alive through it all.
You'll hear the behind-the-scenes story of Nadia, a digital human project with IBM and the Australian Government, the challenge of market timing, and the power of narrowing focus for growth. If youâre building ahead of the curve, this is your playbook.
Key Takeaways00:00 â The evolution of UneeQâs business model
02:01 â Building a new tech category with AI-powered digital humans
06:27 â From digital games to emotionally intelligent avatars
10:39 â How digital humans transform customer experience
12:54 â Realism vs. relatability in AI avatars
16:07 â Building trust with humanized tech
16:31 â The hardest part of creating a new category
21:49 â Biggest lessons learned on the journey
23:46 â Keeping teams aligned through rapid innovation
27:04 â SaaS founders: Scale faster with Champion Leadership
28:14 â AI's real impact on jobs and customer service
31:31 â Emotional intelligence and sales simulations
34:28 â Outcome-based training with digital humans
35:22 â Growing pains and moments that almost broke the company
40:44 â Bootstrapping vs. raising capital in frontier tech
45:32 â Advice for building ahead of the market
48:00 â Product-market timing and finding the real problem
53:40 â Whatâs next in AI-human interaction?
Tweetable QuotesâWe werenât just ahead of the curveâwe were ahead of the market. That hurts.â â Danny Tomsett
âEmotionally intelligent digital humans arenât the future. Theyâre already hereâand they work.â â Danny Tomsett
âIf the market doesnât get it yet, your job isnât just to buildâitâs to educate.â â Jeff Mains
âCulture is your most scalable codebase.â â Danny Tomsett
âThe problem youâre solving might not be the one they care about yet.â â Danny Tomsett
âDigital humans flip training from time-based to outcome-based. Thatâs real impact.â â Jeff Mains
SaaS Leadership LessonsBuild for whatâs real, not just whatâs cool. Danny shares how hype distracted from traction and how focus created results.You can't time the market perfectlyâbut you can pivot. The original platform model gave way to niche training simulations with real adoption.Culture and systems scale better than code. When the team nearly burned out, Danny rebuilt the business on clarity and operational alignment.Emotion matters in tech. Especially in sales training and customer experienceâdigital humans that feel human drive engagement.Don't fall in love with the wrong problem. Sam Altmanâs advice: go deeper to find the root need your product must solve.Being early is painfulâbut survivable. Category creation requires stamina, education, and constant storytelling to shape the market.
Guest ResourcesEmail - [email protected]
Website - http://www.uneeq.com/
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In this episode of SaaS Fuel, Jeff Mains is joined by Warner Moore, founder of Gamma Force and cybersecurity strategist, to dive deep into why early-stage SaaS companies often overbuild security, waste money on compliance, and miss real threats. Warner reveals how to make cybersecurity a strategic advantageâwithout killing innovation.
From delaying HIPAA compliance for smarter growth to leveraging cloud infrastructure securely by default, Warner shares practical frameworks SaaS founders can use to balance risk, market demand, and growth. If you're building a health tech or B2B SaaS company and wondering when and how to invest in cybersecurity.
Key Takeaways00:00 â Strategic security starts with executive mindset
01:32 â Why security is a business strategy, not just IT
03:06 â Risk management vs checkbox compliance
06:34 â Mistakes SaaS founders make with security
09:53 â Understanding real risk (Asset + Vulnerability + Threat)
11:16 â Leveraging cloud providers securely
12:12 â Security as a market differentiator
14:12 â Delaying HIPAA compliance with intentional design
17:11 â When to invest in security maturity
20:06 â Security budgeting for startups
23:24 â Signs you need a fractional CSO
26:57 â Health tech vs general SaaS: when security is mandatory
29:22 â Onboarding & deepfake defense tactics
32:27 â Process-based security (not just tech)
34:22 â Is 2FA enough? Low-cost, high-value protection
36:04 â Aligning security with company mission
38:27 â Upcoming security shifts (quantum, AI, deepfakes)
40:07 â Financial controls > fancy tools
41:00 â Access control as a universal security need
43:24 â Shadow IT and how to reduce SaaS sprawl
Tweetable Quotes"If you donât ask the hard questions early, youâll overbuild and overspend on security that doesnât move the business forward." â Warner Moore
"Security isnât just a department. Itâs a culture and a competitive advantage hiding in plain sight." â Jeff Mains
"Real risk requires three things: an asset, a vulnerability, and a threat. Miss one and itâs just noise." â Warner Moore
"Security done right doesn't slow you downâit speeds you up with confidence and alignment." â Warner Moore
"The most secure companies donât just install toolsâthey build resilient business processes." â Warner Moore
"Before you throw money at compliance, ask: does this really serve our market or just create overhead?" â Warner Moore
SaaS Leadership LessonsDonât Overbuild Early â Avoid unnecessary compliance if youâre not yet handling sensitive data. Be intentional.Security Is Strategy â It's not an IT checklist. It's a leadership-level decision and business differentiator.Risk = Asset + Vulnerability + Threat â If one is missing, itâs not a real risk. Focus on what matters.Delay Expensive Compliance Smartly â You can structure your tech and market approach to delay heavy regulatory burdens.Train Your Team for Real Threats â Deepfakes, phishing, and social engineering are rising threats; education is critical.Use the Basics Well â MFA, encryption, access controlâlow-cost, high-value steps most companies still ignore.
Guest ResourcesEmail - [email protected]
Website - https://gammaforce.io/
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In this episode of SaaS Fuel, we dive deep with Lior Weinstein, a rare combination of fractional CTO and CRO, who helps $20Mâ$100M founder-led companies break through bottlenecks with simplicity, speed, and systems that scale.
We cover the future of fractional leadership, why âhowâ is often the wrong first question, how MVP thinkers often miss the real âV,â and how AI, no-code tools, and customer insight are rewriting the playbook for SaaS growth.
đ„ Topics include:
MVP done right (focus on the "Viable")From âBuyâ to âBuildâ economy and what it means for SaaS pricingThe hidden cost of junior developers in the AI eraFrameworks to unclog, de-risk, or scale your businessHow to avoid the trap of multi-channel marketing too earlyWhy data > opinions every single time
Key Takeaways00:00 â Start: Why âWhyâ beats âHowâ
02:10 â Welcome back to SaaS Fuel
04:12 â Meet Lior Weinstein: Fractional CTO/CRO
06:00 â Lessons from starting a business at 14
08:30 â Choosing relationships, not just revenue
10:45 â Scrappy mindset at $50M scale
14:00 â Systems that move the needle
17:00 â Common SaaS growth mistakes
20:00 â Data over opinions: marketing case studies
23:00 â Bridging founders and developers
26:00 â No-code revolution and commoditization of tech
29:00 â Rise of the AI-powered engineer
35:00 â Inflation of products and entrepreneurial access
38:00 â How AI is redefining copywriting and marketing
42:00 â The inevitable rise of fractional leadership
46:00 â Why companies donât need full-time CTOs
50:00 â Using tech to de-risk, unclog, or scale
56:00 â Liorâs âInevitable Growthâ framework
Tweetable QuotesâMost MVP thinkers focus on the M. I focus on the V â prove the value.â â Lior Weinstein
âAI isnât just a tool anymore. Itâs your teammate.â â Lior Weinstein
âIf you're going multi-channel too early, you're scaling waste.â â Lior Weinstein
âWeâre not using âfractionalâ to describe the impact. Weâre using it to describe the cost.â â Lior Weinstein
âYour product isnât the differentiator anymoreâyour experience is.â â Lior Weinstein
âJunior and mid-level devs are becoming redundant. AI-powered seniors deliver 10x results.â â Lior Weinstein
SaaS Leadership LessonsStart With Why, Not How
Most technologists jump to execution. Great ones like Lior focus on whyâthe real problem behind the feature request.
The âVâ in MVP Matters Most
An MVP isnât just something minimalâit must be viable. Focus on delivering true value, not just a quick launch.
Donât Scale Waste
Before hiring, ask: âCan AI or automation do this?â If yes, you might save months and thousands in costs.
Avoid Multi-Channel Too Early
Validate one channel deeply before expanding. Otherwise, you spread budget thin and dilute learning.
Measure EverythingâGuess Nothing
If you donât have a framework to test and measure, your growth isnât inevitableâitâs luck.
Fractional Execs Can Outperform Full-Time
A great fractional CTO can deliver 100% of the outcome for a fraction of the costâespecially if they're AI-powered.
Guest ResourcesEmail - [email protected]
Website - https://www.cto.com/
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Why do deals stall even when your pipeline looks strong?
In this episode of SaaS Fuel, Jeff Mains sits down with Mike Landerâformer procurement director, dealmaker of over $500M in contracts, and now a sought-after negotiation strategist. Together, they unpack why focusing on buyer risk is the secret to closing more SaaS deals with less friction.
Youâll learn:
How to build trust by focusing on the buyerâs worldânot your pitch.Why most sales fail due to qualification, not presentation.How to work fewer opportunities but close more deals.When to walk away from RFPsâand why thatâs a win.
Key Takeaways00:00 â Why focusing on you kills trust with buyers
00:27 â Welcome to SaaS Fuel with Jeff Mains
01:15 â Your pipeline isnât brokenâyour qualification might be
02:00 â The new sales equation: trust, credibility, risk reduction
03:27 â Guest intro: Mike Lander and $500M in deal experience
06:13 â Where discounting goes wrong
10:56 â Why buyers choose safe over best
14:03 â Risk perception and the value equation
16:18 â Myths salespeople believe about procurement
18:04 â âProcurement is where deals go to dieâ â and why thatâs false
30:23 â Mikeâs framework for working fewer, better deals
35:32 â The hidden dangers of RFPs
46:00 â Can AI replace salespeople? Where humans still matter
51:13 â Will AI negotiate against AI?
52:06 â Where to learn more about Mike
53:01 â Whatâs coming next on SaaS Fuel
Tweetable QuotesâThe more you focus on your deal, the less the buyer trusts you.â â Mike Lander
âWant to close more? Qualify better. The pipelineâs not brokenâyour filters are.â â Jeff Mains
âRisk trumps ROI in the buyer's mind. Reduce risk, increase value.â â Mike Lander
âBuyers donât want persuasion. They want sleep.â â Jeff Mains
âProcurement isnât the end of a dealâitâs the beginning of alignment.â â Mike Lander
âIf AI handles the process, humans better handle the purpose.â â Jeff Mains
SaaS Leadership LessonsTrust isn't built on your productâit's built on understanding the buyerâs risk.Qualification problemsânot sales problemsâare why most deals stall.The best sellers help buyers sleep at night, not just buy faster.Procurement isn't the enemyâitâs your hidden advantage if you understand their framework.Saying ânoâ to bad-fit RFPs leads to higher win rates.Even with AI in sales, human insight into motivation and value remains irreplaceable.
Guest ResourcesEmail - [email protected]
Website - https://piscari.com/
LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/mikelander/
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Want to scale smarter, not just faster? In this episode of SaaS Fuel, Jeff Mains sits down with Eran Friendinger, co-founder and CTO of Volantis, to unpack how predictive analytics and AI-powered signal optimization are transforming marketing performance and customer acquisition.
We explore:
Why cost per lead is misleadingHow to identify high-quality users earlyUsing predictive signals for retention and LTVThe balance between culture and automationHow to build fast-moving, data-led teamsWhether youâre a growth-stage SaaS founder or a data-curious marketer, this conversation will reshape how you think about scale, systems, and success in a fast-moving AI world.
Key Takeaways00:00 - Why cost per qualified lead matters more than total cost
01:17 - Welcome to SaaS Fuel: The treasure map in your data
02:17 - Predictive marketing vs reactive metrics
03:45 - Meet Eren Friendinger: AI, signal optimization, and smarter leads
06:42 - From deep tech to startup growth: Erenâs founder journey
08:05 - Why traditional dashboards fall short
12:13 - Segmenting by value, not just traits
14:43 - Predicting lead quality on arrival
15:27 - Using AI for churn prevention and LTV
18:20 - Personalized targeting for different stages
20:17 - Signal optimization: what it is and why it matters
23:11 - Training ad networks with better feedback
26:00 - Champion Leadership: Scale without the grind
27:02 - Misleading metrics: cost per lead vs CAC
29:25 - Who this works best for (hint: high-volume SaaS)
31:02 - Rethinking attribution with predictive signals
34:02 - Volantis startup challenges + AI roadmap decisions
39:29 - Lessons from selling a startup in 12 months
42:25 - Culture vs features: what matters more
45:07 - Hiring adaptable, data-driven teams
47:22 - First step for data-driven founders
Tweetable QuotesâWeâre addicted to cost per lead, but the truth is, that metric lies. Focus on qualified leads if you actually care about growth.â â Eran Friendinger
âAI isnât replacing marketers. Itâs making the best ones unstoppable.â â Jeff Mains
âStop asking âwhat happenedâ and start asking âwhatâs about to happen.â Thatâs the predictive mindset.â â Eran Friendinger
âYou donât need more dashboards. You need better signals.â â Jeff Mains
âGive your ad network better feedback, and it will give you better leads. Itâs that simple.â â Eran Friendinger
SaaS Leadership LessonsCost per lead is not the real metric â Focus on cost per qualified lead and lifetime value to optimize for scale, not vanity metrics.Predictive data > historical data â SaaS growth requires real-time insights and forecasting, not just post-mortem reports.AI + signal optimization = sharper targeting â Give better feedback to ad platforms and build feedback loops for stronger performance.Marketing and product should align on data â The best SaaS teams know what high-value users look like and build around them.Great culture is a multiplier â Adaptability, experimentation, and shared vision win even in high-tech environments.Start with one high-leverage data insight â You donât need a perfect model. Just one predictive insight can shift your whole strategy.
Guest ResourcesEmail - [email protected]
Website - http://voyantis.ai/
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In this episode of SaaS Fuel, host Jeff Mains sits down with Adam Coughlin â Co-Founder, CMO, and Managing Partner at York IE â to explore how SaaS founders can craft powerful messaging, align teams, and build scalable go-to-market strategies that donât rely on buzzwords or bloated org charts.
From the power of customer funding and finding your minimum viable audience to avoiding messaging mistakes that kill momentum, Adam shares a blueprint for creating story-driven marketing that actually works. Whether you're an early-stage founder or scaling to Series B and beyond, this episode will change the way you think about go-to-market.
Key Takeaways00:00 - Intro: Customer-funded growth and audience-first strategy
01:11 - Why company culture is your hidden growth lever
02:20 - Messaging isnât enough â storytelling that resonates
04:10 - Meet Adam Kaplan from York IE
08:44 - Why founders default to jargon (and how to fix it)
13:02 - Building a message that drives GTM, sales, and fundraising
16:20 - Defining your Minimum Viable Audience
20:08 - Bootstrapping and customer funding as strategic growth
22:11 - The most common go-to-market mistake
24:35 - What to do before you build a sales team
28:03 - Adamâs book pick: Small Fish Big Pond
29:01 - Content that supports both SEO and sales
34:04 - The power of message consistency across platforms
37:41 - Leveraging founder brand without vanity
43:02 - Staying grounded as a founder in chaotic markets
45:03 - Why marketing is not just a department
Tweetable QuotesâA confused mind doesnât buy. Messaging must be simple, clear, and consistent.â â Adam Coughlin
âYour story isnât just for marketing â itâs how you align your team and scale your vision.â â Adam Coughlin
âCustomer-funded growth gives you optionality later â without giving up control early.â â Jeff Mains
âFounders need to stop mimicking competitors and start telling their own story.â â Adam Coughlin
âIf your LinkedIn, blog, and sales team all sound different â youâve already lost.â â Jeff Mains
âMarketing isnât a department. Itâs a strategic engine that drives every other function.â â Adam Coughlin
SaaS Leadership LessonsStart with your audience, not your product.
A clear understanding of your minimum viable audience is more powerful than shouting into the void.
Messaging is a team sport.
If every team member tells a different story, you confuse the market â and confused minds donât buy.
Ditch the jargon.
Founders often invent new language, but if prospects donât understand it, you lose them.
Customer funding beats investor pressure.
Bootstrap when you can â early traction through real customers unlocks smarter long-term growth.
Story drives go-to-market alignment.
A consistent story across sales, marketing, and fundraising is your secret weapon in crowded markets.
Your founder brand matters â if used right.
Done well, it builds trust and community. Done poorly, it becomes a vanity distraction.
Guest ResourcesEmail - [email protected]
Website - http://york.ie/
Linkedin - https://www.linkedin.com/in/adamcoughlin/
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In this episode of SaaS Fuel, Jeff Mains sits down with Uddhav Mehra and Harry Masters from The Inflection Group to unpack one of the most common mistakes early-stage SaaS founders makeâhiring the wrong people too early. We explore why big-name hires from large enterprises often flop in scrappy startups, the power of hiring gritty operators over shiny resumes, and how to create a strategic, stage-appropriate hiring roadmap. If youâre looking to scale without bloating your team or burning your cash, this episode is packed with insights on founder-led sales, hiring for impact, and building elite go-to-market teams that actually work in real-world startup conditions.
Key Takeaways00:00 â Donât hire a VP of Sales yet? Hereâs why
01:44 â Founders and enterprise sales: a smarter strategy
02:28 â Why rockstar execs fail in startups
03:57 â Hire for the stage, not the brand
05:10 â Meet Udhav Mehra and Harry Masters
08:05 â The âheadhunterâ problem most founders hate
11:00 â The #1 mistake founders make when hiring
14:30 â Startup size matters when evaluating candidates
18:26 â Mismatched expectations from candidates and founders
23:20 â Why asking for a âmarketing personâ is usually wrong
26:41 â Why startup success takes more time than expected
27:56 â How Inflection supports technical founders
33:14 â Role clarity evolves during interviews
35:00 â Whatâs your first GTM hire? It depends...
38:03 â Strategic vs. transactional hiring
40:29 â Adapting hiring strategy as you scale
42:51 â Why startup hires get years of experience in months
44:01 â The wrong mindset kills startup momentum
45:20 â One small change to hire smarter
48:39 â Multi-phase interviews that actually work
50:24 â The future of hiring in an AI-driven world
54:06 â Final advice for SaaS founders
Tweetable Quotes"Hiring a VP of Sales before you have a sales org is like buying a steering wheel with no car." â Uddhav Mehra
"The best startup hires aren't polished â they're gritty." â Harry Masters
"Just because someone came from Google doesnât mean they can build your GTM motion from scratch." â Jeff Mains
"We look for candidates who run toward the fire, not away from it." â Harry Masters
"Founders often want the pain. Most execs donât." â Uddhav Mehra
"Marketing isnât a person. Itâs a function made of 10 roles. Know what you actually need." â Jeff Mains
SaaS Leadership LessonsDon't hire too senior too soon â Early-stage startups often mistake brand-name experience for startup grit. Hire for stage fit, not prestige.
Enterprise sales â enterprise strategy â A better early move: founder-led sales + 1 top enterprise rep whoâs hungry to win.
Start with goals, not job titles â Instead of saying âwe need a VP of Sales,â define what outcomes you need and build a strategy around that.
Hiring evolves with your growth stage â What works at Series A wonât work at Series C. Update your hiring playbook accordingly.
Avoid "Frankenstein job descriptions" â Roles like âMarketing Personâ often disguise unrealistic expectations across 5â6 different functions.
Great hiring is strategy, not speed â A structured, multi-step hiring process reduces misfires and builds long-term alignment.
Guest ResourcesEmail - [email protected]
Website - https://www.theinflectiongroup.com/
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Are you running a fast-growing SaaS company but feel like your finances are a mystery? In this episode of SaaS Fuel, financial literacy coach Phil McGilvray breaks down the five (sometimes six) essential numbers every founder needs to track monthly to simplify cash flow, reduce stress, and finally build a financially sound business.
Phil shares how to set up a clean bank account structure, what most financial advisors miss, and why your business's financial system should function like a cascadeâwhere money flows with intention, not chaos.
Key Takeaways00:00 â The 5-6 numbers every entrepreneur must track
02:00 â Why most founders fail financially (and donât know it)
06:00 â Why financial advisors rarely teach true financial literacy
09:00 â The real-world cash flow numbers you must track
12:00 â Why P&Ls are misleading and what to use instead
15:00 â The simple monthly process to take control of your finances
18:00 â How over hiring and scaling too fast kills profit
21:00 â The âcascadeâ method of managing business money
25:00 â Upfront vs monthly payments: pros and cons
28:00 â Why most SaaS founders overcomplicate their finances
32:00 â Building a business that can scale and survive
36:00 â Mindset shifts for building a sellable SaaS company
44:00 â What every founder should understand about money
Tweetable QuotesâIf you donât pay yourself, youâre building someone elseâs dream on your own dime.â â Phil McGilvray
âYour P&L says you made a profit, but your bank account tells the truth.â â Phil McGilvray
âTreat your business finances like a cascade: overflow comes only when the first pool is full.â â Phil McGilvray
âFinancial literacy isnât about complexity. Itâs about consistency and clarity.â â Phil McGilvray
âThe right bank account structure is worth more than a finance degree.â â Phil McGilvray
âSaaS founders donât fail because of bad products. They fail because of bad financial planning.â â Jeff Mains
SaaS Leadership LessonsTrack the Right Numbers Monthly â Revenue, expenses, taxes, salary, cost of goods sold, and whatâs left are the only numbers that matter for clarity.
Pay Yourself First â If youâre not paying yourself monthly, you donât have a real businessâyou have an expensive hobby.
Your P&L Doesnât Tell the Full Story â Big purchases, taxes, and salaries are often missing from P&L reports, so use bank statements for reality.
Set Up a Clean Cascade System â Think of your finances like cascading pools: operating â reserves â growth/investment.
Simplicity Wins â You donât need complex tools or endless accountsâjust one operating, one reserve, and one tax account will do.
Growth Without Guardrails Is Risky â Scaling without building cash reserves makes your business fragile in downturns.
Guest ResourcesEmail - [email protected]
Website - http://philmcgilvray.com/
Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/phil.mcgilvray.9
Linkedin - https://www.linkedin.com/in/phil-mcgilvray-profit-and-cash-flow-strategist-58734a25/
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Hybrid work isnât going away but most companies are still doing it wrong. In this episode of SaaS Fuel, Jeff Mains sits down with Micah Remley, CEO of Robin, a workplace management platform thatâs helping companies build smarter, more collaborative hybrid environments.
We dive deep into:
â Why hybrid is harder than remote or in-office
â The huge disconnect between CEOs and employees
â How AI can 2â3x productivity without bloating headcount
â Rethinking office space for real collaboration
â Why 2â3 days in the office is the sweet spot
â Leadership advice for SaaS founders building in todayâs fast-moving world
Micah brings battle-tested insights from leading companies like MineralTree and Internapâand shares whatâs actually working to keep culture, performance, and innovation alive in a hybrid setup.
Key Takeaways00:00 - Intro: What studies say about in-office effectiveness
00:58 - Welcome to SaaS Fuel
01:40 - The hybrid work paradox
02:55 - Why hybrid is harder than remote or in-office
05:00 - Guest intro: Micah Remley, CEO of Robin
06:00 - Why Micah is tackling hybrid work
07:10 - The real problem companies face
10:30 - Big misunderstanding between CEOs and employees
12:50 - Expectations vs. reality in hybrid culture
15:45 - Why 2â3 days in the office is optimal
18:00 - The gym analogy: environment matters
22:00 - Designing collaboration-first workspaces
25:00 - The illusion of "being present" at the office
28:00 - SaaS scaling tools from Champion Leadership
30:00 - What Robin actually does (desk booking, analytics, room scheduling)
36:50 - Biggest challenge scaling Robin
42:00 - AI is moving faster than expected
46:00 - 2â3x productivity gains from AI
49:00 - Biggest use cases with AI
52:00 - Dev speed is now faster than sales
57:00 - Micahâs #1 leadership advice
59:30 - Whatâs next on SaaS Fuel
Tweetable Quotesđ§ âHybrid success doesnât happen by accident. It requires thoughtfulness, consistency, and flexibility.â â Jeff Mains
đą âIf youâre just showing up to check a box, thereâs no value in being in the office.â â Micah Remley
đ€ âAI can 2â3x productivityâwithout adding headcount. Thatâs a game changer for scaling SaaS.â â Micah Remley
đĄ âEmployees define hybrid differently than CEOs. That gap kills momentum unless you bridge it.â â Jeff Mains
đïž âItâs like a gym. The environment shapes the outcome. Home workouts rarely get the same results.â â Micah Remley
đ âCash always matters. AI is exciting, but fundamentals still win.â â Micah Remley
SaaS Leadership LessonsHybrid requires structure, not spontaneity â Success in hybrid work doesnât come from flexibility alone. It takes clear systems, intentional office days, and consistent leadership.
Employees and CEOs define hybrid work differently â Misalignment in expectations leads to confusion, low morale, and disengagement.
Rethink office design â Office space must support collaboration, not serve as a checkbox. Create environments that invite people to interact meaningfully.
AI boosts productivity without scaling headcount â The right AI tools can make lean teams incredibly efficient and outperform bloated ones.
You need to lead the culture shift â Hybrid models work best when leadership is proactive, transparent, and communicative.
Space utilization needs to be intentional â Tools like Robin help manage real-time office dynamics, ensuring resources match how teams actually work.
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đŸ From Adversity to Achievement: How to Crush Excuses & Unlock Your Potential | Roger Crawford | SaaS Fuel
Whatâs holding you backâreal limitations or just polished excuses?
In this powerful and deeply personal episode of SaaS Fuel, host Jeff Mains is joined by Roger CrawfordâDivision I athlete, bestselling author, and globally renowned speakerâwhose journey has inspired millions.
Despite being born with physical challenges, Roger shattered expectations and redefined whatâs possible. Today, he shares his playbook on how mindset can turn fear into fuel and excuses into action.
If youâve ever felt stuck, doubted your potential, or waited for the âperfectâ momentâthis conversation is your wake-up call.
Key Takeaways00:00 â Why excuses feel comfortableâbut cost us power
02:15 â Rogerâs mindset-shifting journey begins
03:38 â From physically challenged to Division I athlete
07:00 â âDefeat is a choiceââhow to rewrite your story
10:52 â The fastest way to increase results: decrease excuses
13:22 â The #1 excuse that limits most people
17:00 â Is mindset the best predictor of success?
20:48 â Breaking through limiting beliefs
25:08 â Why optimism is a choice, not a gift
27:21 â Growth mindset and embracing failure
32:58 â Obstacles are not stop signs
36:00 â Pre-written excuses: how they show up in leadership
40:43 â How to reframe challenges as stepping stones
46:00 â Final advice to any leader struggling with self-doubt
Tweetable QuotesâThe fastest way to increase results is to decrease excuses.â â Roger Crawford
âExcuses feel good⊠but they hand your power to something outside yourself.â â Jeff Mains
âYouâll never reach higher with your hands in your pockets.â â Roger Crawford
âObstacles arenât stop signs. Theyâre invitations to grow.â â Jeff Mains
âDefeat isnât what happens to youâitâs what you accept.â â Roger Crawford
SaaS Leadership LessonsExcuses feel safe because they take pressure offâbut they also take your power.The most powerful shift is taking 100% responsibility for your response to challenges.Mindset isn't just helpfulâit's essential. It's the foundation of how you handle everything.Stop waiting for perfect conditions. Progress starts where you are.Challenges are inevitableâdefeat is a choice.
Guest ResourcesEmail - [email protected]
Website - http://www.rogercrawford.com
Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/user/halloffamespeakerrogercrawford
Linkedin - http://www.linkedin.com/in/rogercrawford1
Episode SponsorSmall Fish, Big Pond â https://smallfishbigpond.com/ Use the promo code âSaaSFuelâ
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Forget "Grow at All Costs" â Here's How to Build a SaaS Company That Lasts | Richard Walker, CEO of Quik!
đĄ Is chasing faster growth putting your business at risk?
On this episode of SaaS Fuel, host Jeff Mains dives deep with Richard Walker, CEO and co-founder of Quik!, to explore why a scarcity mindset can destroy your companyâand what it truly takes to build a profitable, sustainable, and values-driven SaaS business.
Key Takeaways00:00 â Why "grow at all costs" is a dangerous mindset
01:14 â How Richard Walker built a 99% recurring revenue business
02:05 â The reality behind scaling sustainably vs chasing fads
03:00 â Remote work: How it strengthened Quik!âs culture
04:00 â Shifting from product-led to sales-led: What it takes
05:00 â Building a customer-obsessed company culture
08:00 â Richardâs toughest lessons from bootstrapping and scaling
13:00 â The mindset shift from startup founder to organizational leader
17:00 â Hiring strategies: Why fractional teams are a hidden superpower
24:00 â Why customer experience is your ultimate competitive advantage
26:13 â Launching "The Customer Wins" Podcast to Build Relationships
27:45 â How Podcasting Has Created Unexpected Business Wins
29:00 â McKinsey and Microsoft on CX-Driven Growth
33:00 â Making Great UX Invisible (Until It's Missing)
36:00 â Employees Living the Mission, Not Just Reading It
39:30 â Why Constraints Boost Creativity and Innovation
41:00 â Shifting From Startup Founder to Organizational Leader
43:00 â Hiring Philosophy: Focus on "Who" Not "How"
45:00 â The Power of Fractional Teams in Growth
46:30 â Launching "The Customer Wins" Podcast
48:00 â How Podcasting Unexpectedly Drove Revenue Growth
Tweetable Quotes"If you chase growth at all costs, youâre just feeding your fear of missing out." â Richard Walker
"Profitability isn't optionalâit's oxygen for your business." â Jeff Mains
"Great culture isn't builtâit's owned by your people." â Richard Walker
"The biggest shift from founder to leader is asking 'Who?' not 'How?'" â Richard Walker
SaaS Leadership LessonsScarcity leads to chasing trends. Abundance builds companies that last.Focus on your core value and operational metrics, not just fast growth.Culture drives sustainable successâitâs not just a poster on the wall.Profitability is freedom. Growth without it is a trap.Who you hire is more important than how you do it.
Guest ResourcesEmail - [email protected]
Website - https://www.quickforms.com/
Linkedin - https://www.linkedin.com/in/quikformsceo/
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In this episode of SaaS Fuel, host Jeff Mains welcomes fractional CEO and systems optimizer Joshua Monge, who reveals the operational secrets that turn chaotic, founder-reliant SaaS businesses into scalable, exit-ready machines.
From escaping burnout to structuring future-proof systems, Joshua shares what it really takes to build a business that thrives without the founder being in every decision. If youâve ever felt like your company canât breathe unless youâre in the roomâthis oneâs for you.
Key Takeaways01:15 - SaaS sales as an endurance sport
04:14 - Guest intro: Joshua Mong
08:00 - Firefighting vs. real leadership
10:00 - Becoming your own bottleneck
12:45 - Breaking through the $3Mâ$5M ceiling
18:55 - Mapping workflows step-by-step
21:10 - How to get out of the weeds
23:23 - Why every SaaS should be built for exit
26:31 - Operational freedom and founder identity
29:12 - Thinking strategically beyond the day-to-day
30:13 - The pain of being too involved in the business
32:15 - Rocket Fuel and visionary/integrator dynamics
34:45 - What increases company valuation
38:25 - AI and automation in operations
43:07 - When great processes hurt more than help
45:58 - Customer onboarding = consistency is key
50:22 - How to scale operations from $1M to $10M
Tweetable Quotes"If your business canât breathe unless youâre in the room, itâs time to rewire the system." â Jeff Mains
"The companies that scale arenât built around brilliant foundersâtheyâre built on brilliant systems." â Joshua Monge
"Delegation isnât giving up control. Itâs regaining freedom." â Joshua Monge
"You donât sell a businessâyou sell the system that generates the revenue." â Jeff Mains
"Being exit-ready doesnât mean youâre leaving. It means you have options." â Joshua Monge
"AI is the accelerator, but without systems, it just makes your mess faster." â Joshua Monge
SaaS Leadership LessonsFounder Involvement = Bottleneck
Growth slows when founders micromanage. Delegate with systems, not hope.
Parallel Systems Create Freedom
Build dual systemsâone for now, one for scaleâto ease transition without friction.
Document or Die
Undocumented or outdated processes are hidden handbrakes on growth and valuation.
Exit-Ready = Freedom-Ready
Even if you never sell, building for exit gives you optionality and peace of mind.
Don't Overengineer Your Ops
Copying someone else's playbook can backfire. Build what your business actually needs.
Visionaries Need Integrators
Great ideas die without execution. A strong operator turns creative chaos into scalable growth.
Guest ResourcesEmail - [email protected]
Website - http://thinkadaptbuild.com/
Linkedin - https://www.linkedin.com/in/mrjdmonge/
Episode SponsorSmall Fish, Big Pond â https://smallfishbigpond.com/ Use the promo code âSaaSFuelâ
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Is 3D printing the future of housing? In this episode of SaaS Fuel, Jeff Mains sits down with Lance Thrailkill â third-generation CEO of All Metals Fabricating and co-founder of Print3d Technologies. Lance shares how heâs merging AI, automation, and 3D printing to disrupt the construction industry and solve the affordable housing crisis. From scaling legacy businesses to building $100K homes faster and cheaper, this is a blueprint for SaaS founders and innovators looking to reshape entire industries.
đĄ Learn how to integrate AI without replacing jobs, implement automation without losing your culture, and why âprint-to-liveâ could be the next big thing in tech-driven housing.
Key Takeaways00:00 â Why tech canât just say âdo it betterâ anymore
03:11 â Last weekâs guests: Tammy Reiss and Daniel Borba
05:08 â Why leading with questions works in legacy companies
07:03 â Balancing automation with core company values
10:09 â Automation for high-mix, low-volume manufacturers
12:02 â AI isnât replacing people â itâs making them better
15:30 â Whatâs wrong with how homes are built today
17:02 â A mold disaster that made it personal
19:29 â How Printed Technologies was born
22:05 â The resilience of concrete homes
24:29 â Vertical expansion: storm shelters, commercial, pods
27:23 â Home-in-a-box vision and prefab innovations
31:08 â Can 3D printing solve housing worldwide?
33:07 â Bootstrapping to VC: raising $3M with purpose
36:58 â Biggest hurdles: regulations and adoption
39:15 â Fireproof, termite-resistant, hurricane-ready homes
42:07 â Future plans: brick styles, automation, sexy prototypes
44:20 â The biggest founder lesson Lance learned
46:12 â The $100K home challenge: how they pulled it off
Tweetable QuotesâPeople only buy into what they help create.â â Lance Thrailkill
âAI should help people do their jobs easier â not replace them.â â Lance Thrailkill
âWeâve been building homes the same way for 100 years. That has to change.â â Lance Thrailkill
âIf you're always chasing the ideal state, youâll never feel the wins.â â Lance Thrailkill
âAutomation doesnât remove jobs. It secures them in cyclical industries.â â Lance Thrailkill
âAffordable housing is the crisis. Technology is the solution.â â Jeff Mains
SaaS Leadership LessonsAI is not a replacement â itâs a multiplier. Integrate tools that make your team faster, not obsolete.Legacy companies need leadership through questions. Ask, donât dictate. Ownership begins with inclusion.Small wins lead to big automation. Focus on one area of improvement at a time to build momentum.Let your team pick the tools. Empower employees to select technology â theyâll champion what they helped build.Plan for scale from day one. A productâs simplicity determines how far and fast it can scale â especially globally.Focus on the gain, not the gap. Founders must train their minds to see progress, not just whatâs missing.
Guest ResourcesEmail - [email protected]
Website - http://www.print3dtechnologies.com
Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/lance.thrailkill
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In this episode of SaaS Fuel, Jeff Mains is joined by leadership expert Tami Reiss, creator of the Learn to Lead framework. Together, they dive deep into what it truly takes to lead when your title isnât enough. If youâre a founder who's scaling fast, feeling like a bottleneck, or unsure how to empower your team without micromanaging â this conversation is your roadmap.
đŻ Tami shares strategies to build an ownership-driven culture, delegate effectively, and influence without authority. Learn how to shift from doer to visionary, scale your team, and create long-term impact. Plus, hear how leadership is evolving in the AI age and why adaptability is the new superpower.
Key Takeaways00:00 â Why authority doesnât equal influence
02:14 â What real leadership looks like in startups
06:03 â Why leadership is more important than ever
10:00 â How founders become bottlenecks
13:13 â Mastering influence without authority
20:17 â Letting go: delegation, mindset, and ownership
24:07 â Delegating outcomes, not tasks
27:27 â How to rally your team around your vision
30:24 â From micromanaging to trust-based leadership
32:24 â Cultivating leaders inside your org
34:12 â What separates the best leaders from the rest
36:02 â Balancing confidence and vulnerability
39:52 â The value of perspective: âWhat am I not seeing?â
42:46 â The future of leadership in the AI era
43:38 â Teaching leadership to the next generation
45:18 â Tamiâs book and the story behind it
46:38 â Tamiâs leadership tip for founders
Tweetable QuotesâYour title gives you authority. But influence? Thatâs earned.â â Jeff Mains
âDelegation isnât dumping. Itâs empowering.â â Tami Reiss
âMost bottlenecks in startups arenât tools or tactics. Itâs the founder.â â Jeff Mains
âLeadership is about guiding people to outcomes, not tasks.â â Tami Reiss
âThe biggest shift for founders is realizing they donât need to do everything themselves.â â Tami Reiss
âAdaptability is the leadership trait no one talks about but everyone needs.â â Jeff Mains
SaaS Leadership LessonsTitle â Trust â Founders must earn influence, not expect obedience.Youâre the Bottleneck â If everything runs through you, growth will stall.LEAD Framework â Leadership is about Listening, Empowering, Acting decisively, and Developing others.Delegate Outcomes, Not Tasks â Let go of your way and empower theirs.Adaptability Is a Superpower â Especially in fast-changing, AI-driven industries.What Am I Not Seeing? â Great leaders constantly seek outside perspectives.
Guest Resourcesmyleaderwithin.com
https://linkedin.com/in/tamireiss
instagram.com/reisstami
Episode SponsorSmall Fish, Big Pond â https://smallfishbigpond.com/ Use the promo code âSaaSFuelâ
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How SaaS Founders Can Use Video to Shorten Sales Cycles & Boost Conversions | Daniel Borba - Spark Portal
In this episode of SaaS Fuel, weâre joined by Daniel Borba, founder and CEO of Spark Portal, to explore how video as a service is transforming SaaS sales and marketing. If you're still treating video like an add-on asset, this conversation will change how you view your entire GTM strategy.
đŻ Whether you're an early-stage founder or scaling to $20M ARR, this is your blueprint for using video to drive pipeline and build a premium brand.
Key Takeaways00:00 â Why explainer videos need higher production
07:00 â Why Daniel built "video as a service" for B2B SaaS
11:30 â Common mistakes SaaS founders make with video
14:30 â Is video essential to scale in todayâs market?
18:00 â Strategy before quantity: the smarter video play
24:00 â How to measure ROI with short, strategic video
31:00 â Case Study: How 3 short videos boosted close rate
36:00 â Video in lead nurture sequences (and why it works)
42:00 â Using analytics to optimize video performance
47:00 â Start with video â multiply your assets
50:00 â Biggest mistakes SaaS companies make with video
Tweetable QuotesâYour best salesperson might not be a personâitâs video.â â Jeff Mains
âGreat videos donât need big budgets. They need big strategy.â â Daniel Borba
âProduction value helps, but script quality closes deals.â â Daniel Borba
âDonât do video just to do video. Start with the story, then build the content.â â Jeff Mains
âIf your content isnât being consumed, itâs not contentâitâs noise.â â Daniel Borba
âVanity metrics donât pay the bills. ROI does.â â Jeff Mains
SaaS Leadership LessonsStrategy First, Always â Donât jump into video production without a clear story and strategic objective. Start with the why.Production Value Isnât Everything â Organic, raw videos often perform better than over-polished onesâespecially in social feeds.Video is the New Sales Rep â Modern SaaS buyers prefer self-educating through video rather than cold calls or long decks.Measure More Than Views â Use video analytics to track who watched, what they watched, and how many timesâthis data is gold for sales teams.Start with Video, Multiply Content â One good video can become 20+ assets: blog, podcast, email sequence, short clips, and more.Use Video Between Stages â Add short âhot takeâ videos between discovery and demo to educate leads and boost conversions.
Guest ResourcesEmail - [email protected]
Website - https://sparkportal.com/
Linkedin - https://www.linkedin.com/in/danielborba/
Episode SponsorSmall Fish, Big Pond â https://smallfishbigpond.com/ Use the promo code âSaaSFuelâ
Champion Leadership Group â https://championleadership.com/
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Is your SaaS business truly built to lastâor are you growing a leaky bucket?
In this episode of SaaS Fuel, we dive deep into retention, innovation, and customer-centric scale with Mohan Rao, Chief Product & Technology Officer at Knownwell. Mohan shares battle-tested strategies for building future-proof SaaS companies by focusing on retention before acquisition, solving churn proactively, and aligning teams around customer success.
Key Takeaways00:00 - Why retention is the real goal of product-market fit
03:00 - Welcome back to SaaS Fuel: growth â scale
07:19 - Mohan Rao joins the show
11:10 - What founders get wrong about early product strategy
14:27 - Avoiding the âhammer looking for a nailâ trap
18:05 - Preventing churn: retention as strategy, not support
22:17 - How Knownwell is applying AI and LMS to fix it
28:02 - Intervention signals: when a customer asks for a contract
32:47 - Lessons from holding multiple C-level roles
36:55 - Leadership evolution: empowering your next layer
43:05 - Why customers must be part of your M&A strategy
45:32 - Overlooked tech factors that kill acquisitions
Tweetable QuotesProduct-market fit isnât about how many customers you can getâitâs about how many stick around."â Mohan Rao
Churn isnât a number. Itâs a warning sign your product isnât delivering value fast enough.â â Jeff Mains
You donât need 20 customersâyou need 4 that never leave.â â Mohan Rao
Founders obsess over acquisition, but real growth comes from retention.â â Jeff Mains
SaaS Leadership LessonsIf users donât stick, you donât have product-market fit. Period.Validate the market need before building the productâmarket-product fit matters more.Not all feedback should make it into your roadmapâchoose based on vision alignment.Retention is proactiveâtrain your team to spot signals before customers churn.The fastest-growing SaaS companies obsess over activation, not just acquisition.
Guest ResourcesEmail - [email protected]
Website - http://knownwell.com/
Linkedin - https://www.linkedin.com/in/raomohan/
Episode SponsorSmall Fish, Big Pond â https://smallfishbigpond.com/ Use the promo code âSaaSFuelâ
Champion Leadership Group â https://championleadership.com/
SaaS Fuel ResourcesWebsite - https://championleadership.com/
Jeff Mains on LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/jeffkmains/
Twitter - https://twitter.com/jeffkmains
Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/thesaasguy/
Instagram - https://instagram.com/jeffkmains
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đ„ Billions in scholarships go unclaimed every yearânot because students donât need the money, but because the system is broken.
In this episode of SaaS Fuel, host Jeff Mains sits down with David Tabachnikov, CEO of ScholarshipOwl, the largest scholarship marketplace in the U.S. David reveals how theyâre using AI, automation, and ethical technology to simplify the scholarship process for studentsâwhile helping brands use scholarships as a powerful marketing tool.
And hereâs the twist: theyâve done it all bootstrapped. No VC money. Just smart strategy and relentless focus.
Whether youâre scaling a SaaS, building a two-sided marketplace, or want to see how AI can change real livesâthis oneâs packed with value.
Key Takeaways00:00 â Why AI chatbots werenât the right move
01:26 â The $100B problem in scholarships
07:00 â From Tel Aviv tech to solving education access
12:10 â Why brands like Coca-Cola & dental clinics offer scholarships
17:00 â The SEO, tax, and PR power of scholarships for brands
21:00 â ScholarshipOwlâs business model (freemium + per-app)
26:30 â Leveraging AI to generate, reuse, and optimize scholarship essays
29:10 â Why ethical AI matters for both students and brands
31:00 â Targeting Gen Z with AI-powered micro-scholarships
36:00 â The challenges (and freedoms) of bootstrapping
40:00 â Lessons from navigating COVID, inflation, and no VC money
42:45 â Early-stage founder advice: donât pivot too early
44:00 â Why staying focused helped beat out VC-backed competition
48:00 â Go from 0 to $1M by mastering one growth lever
Tweetable QuotesEmail - [email protected]
Website - https://business.scholarshipowl.com/
Linkedin - https://www.linkedin.com/in/nethunter/
SaaS Leadership LessonsFocus beats funding. ScholarshipOwl outmaneuvered VC-backed competitors by staying laser-focused on user value.
Ethical AI > flash. Instead of building flashy chatbots, they doubled down on personalized matching and outcomes.
Donât chase FOMO. Just because a competitor pivots doesnât mean you should. Nail one thing, then scale.
Scholarships = marketing. Brands can use them to build loyalty, get SEO, and reach the next generationâwhile doing good.
Bootstrapping = discipline. No $3M experiments. Every dollar must prove ROIâand that sharpens your edge.
Guest ResourcesâWe didnât build a chatbot. We built a better recommendation engine. Thatâs what actually helps students win.â â David Tabachnikov
âIf youâre still searching for scholarships like itâs 1995, youâre already behind.â â Jeff Mains
âWe doubled the odds of winning scholarshipsâand cut the time in halfâby using smarter AI, not fancier tools.â â David Tabachnikov
âOne $1,000 scholarship can be the difference between graduating or dropping out.â â David Tabachnikov
âBootstrapping forces you to say no more than yes. Thatâs how you stay focused and win.â â Jeff Mains
Episode SponsorSmall Fish, Big Pond â https://smallfishbigpond.com/ Use the promo code âSaaSFuelâ
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