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“It’s a Tuesday night in downtown Austin, and Joe Rogan is pretending to jerk off right in front of my face. The strangest thing about this situation is that millions of straight American men would kill to switch places with me.”
With that on-fire of a lede, Helen Lewis explores the appeal of the world’s top podcaster and, by extension, the city of Austin, to whence a platoon of self-proclaimed heterodox thinkers have decamped, in her latest essay for the Atlantic, where she’s a staff writer. (Our own Sarah Hepola is interviewed for the piece.) Helen discusses the podcasts of the man-o-sphere, how Trump’s conversations with Theo Von, et al, were like a chat show circuit for men, and her upcoming book, The Genius Myth.
Also discussed:
* That infamous Jordan Peterson interview
* The time Helen was invited to Tucker Carlson’s log cabin
* “The male Oprah”
* What is the “heterodoxy,” anyway?
* Elon Musk is to Thomas Edison is to Prometheus
* “Shit-posting has eaten the world”
* Can a genius also nurse a baby?
* The optimum age to be considered a genius is …
* Teal Swan is not a good hombre
Plus, Helen lives up to Sarah’s idea of British stereotypes, Robin D’Angelo disappears, the mysteries of the corn dog, and much more!
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Nancy and Sarah talk about a recent story in The Cut, “Was Casual Sex Always This Bad?” (Answer: Probably.) They discuss how subjective the phrase “good sex” is, but for both of them, the playfulness and abandon that makes sex one of life’s great pleasures almost never comes after picking up a stranger at the open-bar wedding reception. (Although Nancy does have that one story.)
Also discussed:
* Silent discos
* Pittsburghian slang
* The TikTok sex video we want to see
* The cinematic tyranny of people having sex against a wall
* Consent: the starter manual for drunk college kids
* Oof, blackout sex
* Men regret sex, too
* Swooning: it’s a goal!
* “Sex is not a thing you do, it’s a place you go.”
* A thing you should really, really not do to your teeth …
Plus, the classic conspiracy film that made Sarah pretty sure everything is a lie, the brand-new podcast Nancy wants to shoot into her veins, the existential thrill of home renovation, and much more!
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Nancy talks about the protests outside Democratic National Convention, where the expected hordes did NOT show. After ten-plus years of fashionable dissent, have we moved beyond the activism moment? We discuss the limits and rewards of protest: big on catharsis, light on real change.
Also on the docket:
* Sarah’s birthday bash at Nancy’s
* The secret sartorial life of Steve Kornacki
* When pink was for boys …
* “It’s like masturbating when you can’t get off.”
* The man who will always be Sarah’s president
* When did the Dems hatch the Kamala plan? A debate!
* Martin Luther King Jr. writes one hell of a letter
* DON’T FORGET! Forty Bucks and a Dream available for pre-order
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This week Nancy and Sarah riff on a fascinating essay in UnHerd by David Samuels, “The March of Kamala’s Brides: Miserable young women are the Democrats' foot-soldiers.” The story lays out damning statistics on happiness and liberal women. They’re childless, unmarried, on anti-depressants: Hey, Sarah ticks all the boxes!
Nancy and Sarah try to diagnose how we got here. Their discussion covers vibrators and dating apps, Obamacare and social security, politics and the patriarchy, social justice and social media, pets vs. children, and the ocean of meaning that lies underneath the phrase, "I'm fine." Also discussed:
* Nancy’s new book Forty Bucks and a Dream now on presale!
* Fifth Column live event tonight, WE SUPPORT OUR TROOPS.
* When will Wikipedia acknowledge that Nancy dated Eddie Vedder?
* Kneejerk Nancy asks, “Do I need to know everyone’s effing feelings?”
* Sarah asks, “If my cat is not a baby, why is he baby-shaped?”
* The “compare and despair” trap of social media
* Feminism and happiness: It’s complicated!
* Men on women’s tears: It’s annoying!
* The whole SSRI thing
* Fault vs. responsibility
* WE MISS THE ‘90s
* Camille Paglia, aka Sarah’s fake Italian grandmother, brings us home
Also: A (short) debate on Miranda July, how Andy Warhol turns out to be fascinating, Nancy drops a bomb about women’s happiness and birth control — and MORE!
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Nancy and Sarah tackle the week’s most controversial Olympics bout, when Algerian boxer Imane Khelif defeated Italian boxer Angela Carini in a 46-second fight. JK Rowling howled! JK Rowling-haters roared back at her! Has anyone ever cared this much about women’s boxing?
This actually isn’t a story about trans women in sports — though it kicked up plenty of opinions about that subject — but a more nuanced discussion of how genetic abnormalities should play out in athletics. Our roving conversation covers:
* DSD cases (Differences in sexual development)
* Why is boxing called “the sweet science”?
* The spectacle of women being hit —> kind of uncomfortable
* Title IX was never intended to expand women’s sports, but it did anyway
* What kind of sports do girls want to play?
* The golden age of female trick riders
* Stella Walsh, early intersex Olympic champion
* How much do men hate seeing women cry?
* The old Italian woman who yells Sarah to sleep each night
* But wait: What is a man?
… and much more!
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Ann Bauer is a top-notch personal essay writer, who built a reputation for eloquence and honesty at Salon.com, back in the aughts when the site was still a cultural force. (Sarah was lucky enough to work with Ann back then.) More recently, Ann has become a spitfire on Twitter, where she’s sounded off on COVID-related school closures, the progressive politics of Minneapolis, where she lives, and the various absurdities of our culture-war era.
Nancy and Sarah had a far-ranging and often profound conversation with Ann: About what speaking her mind on social media cost her (professionally, personally), about the potential link between RenFests, polyamory, and Rachel Maddow, and about the son she lost a few years ago, whose autism diagnosis Ann now questions (along with many scientific “certainties”).
Also discussed:
* The ickiness of self-promotion
* “You’re trying to kill me and my family”
* Getting dropped by the Washington Post
* Bruno Bettelheim, somehow
* Writing: It’s all in the execution
* Ann did NOT burn down Minneapolis’s Third Precinct
* The Stations of the Cross for Trump Derangement Syndrome
* “Why are you dressed up as druids and maidens?”
* Big love for Tablet Magazine
* No love for an author who promotes autism as magic that makes you special
* The Cinderella story of Kamala Harris
* The lonely estrangement of the white male in culture
* Writing about your own children: good? bad? both? all?
* What is autism, really?
Plus, people who should not wear leather, Sarah gets sucked into a classic 70s mini series, the coolness of Debbie Harry, and much more!
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Nancy and Sarah are back after a brief summer hiatus to talk about: white women for Kamala, “brat” and its aftermath, why Gen Z has so many slang terms for oral sex (or is that just our intern?), and how JD Vance radicalized childless cat ladies and prompted Twitter to make jokes about sex with a couch. America: It’s going great! Note: This episode gets pretty blue, might want to keep it out of the little ones’ earholes.
Also discussed:
* “Did I miss anything?” asks Sarah, after emerging from a literal cave in the desert.
* Gen Z pop star Charli … MCM?!
* Childless cat ladies were trending, and nobody called Sarah for a quote?!?
* You say KOMM-uh-lah, I say Kuh-MAH-lah, let’s call the whole thing off.
* Trump avoiding an assassin’s bullet was 60,000 news cycles ago.
* The Kamala Harris prosecution that Nancy cannot get over
* What is the sound of 100,000 white women clapping?
* "I am here tonight, embracing myself in your incredible, profound white women midst, because we've got a fucking job to do, y'all” is a thing that was said.
* Race essentialism + radical self-care = cringe-fest
* Brat, cap, munch, throat goat: Nancy learns to speak Gen Z
* That time Sub Pop Records trolled the New York Times
* Did Elon Musk succeed in making Twitter a public square?
* “Ass play is not my jam.”
* Ben Shapiro for president?
* Steve Kornacki will chase down that Snackwells truck
* J.D. Vance, the punching bag for a post-assassination-attempt Trump
Plus, the wisdom of NOT talking politics, report cards on how Biden dipped, and that time Hemingway married an African woman when he was already married.
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Nancy is in the woods, Sarah is in bed, where she does her best work, when they chat over the phone about the epic spectacle that was this week’s Republican National Convention and the hot mess that is Democratic politics. “God is among us,” Tucker Carlson told the crowd, and the thing is: Nobody can fact-check God. Is it true? Is it false? No one can say. We’re in the realm of belief, and in the days following Trump’s assassination, what’s clear is: People want to believe in him.
Also discussed:
* Bill Maher’s double-fisting handjob Trump videos
* Can Trump actually change?
* “God is among us.”
* Smoke Em’s first sincere usage of the word “rizz”
* Nancy rejects an organ!
* Pretty women, walking down the stage
* Make Kid Rock stop!
* Trump, the grandpappy
* Love for Semafor
* Amber Rose, online avatar
* Trump as king: Kissing the ring
* Media feeds us shit sandwiches
* In the future, will we all be Melania Trump?
* RIP to the people we lost, the people we miss
Thank you to the Baseball Hall of Fame Museum for letting Nancy tap into their WiFi and upload this episode. Also: Christy Mathewson has Nancy’s vote
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Biden on the ropes! What’s the over-under on his time in the race? Who might replace him? Sarah and Nancy discuss the political theater of a broken system. What’s the solution? Here’s Nancy: “Let it fucking break, man.” Then, Alice Munro’s daughter reveals family secrets that cast her mother and her writing in a troubling new light.
Also discussed:
* “Those Australians are so confused”
* New word: Parkinsonism
* As goes George Clooney, so goes the country …
* Intervention time! Joe Biden, will you accept the help we’re offering today?
* Is Jon Stewart back?
* Kamala Harris is Out Here in These Streets
* What if we all write-in “Michelle Obama” for president …
* Wes Moore = a super-sexy man, and also a governor
* Nancy on how Joe Biden can bow out with dignity
* Alice Munro’s Runaway and a woman who can’t leave her husband, hmm
* Art Monsters
* Joe Biden press conference: Sarah loses a bet
Plus: The spookiness of Joyce Carol Oates, the greatness of Citizen Kane, and — ahem — Nancy names a new hot box!
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The hustle, the friendliness, the informality, the unshakeable faith that we can be anything we want to be — all while drinking Diet Coke and huffing donuts. Fuck yeah, America! In honor of July 4, Nancy and Sarah celebrate our country’s bounty in the long shadow of all that is wrong. (For example: Presidential debate!)
Nancy and Sarah can’t quite decide: Is the American experiment over? Or does our scrappy country of constant reinvention have more time on the clock?
Also discussed:
* The freedom to not wear pants
* Let Joe Biden rest!
* Is Smoke Em podcast the Fireside Chats of 2024?
* Free speech and great tits!
* Morgan Spurlock, RIP
* Diet Coke, a “horrible bath of ick” that we love
* Sarah learns to free-style, drops a verse, immediately regrets this
* America’s greatest export is …
* Sarah discovers she’s average!
* Name That Founding Father: The Pop Quiz
Plus, Nancy proves she’s never seen Hamilton, how to make $1.08 last a decade, a history of oliebollen donuts, and more!
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The first Trump-Biden debate is hours away, and pundits are predicting along punditry lines (Trump gonna Trump! Biden’s booster-packet will conk out midway!), including the only person to have debated both Trump and Biden opening a “What I’m watching for…” piece by telling us about the new Broadway play she’s producing.
But before we get to Hillary Rodham Clinton, we cite some odds out of Vegas, including whether the candidates will shake hands first, the length of Biden’s longest pause, and how many times Trump will say “rigged.”
Then it’s on to the evergreen topic of who is having sex with whom, or in this case, who’s not, unless it’s with a mythical creature with a four-foot long magical tongue and a dick the size of a Coke-can. Don’t ask, just listen.
Also discussed:
* The #1 new show on Netflix? Sarah’s in it!
* We love Jake Tapper
* Who we want to see storm the debate stage
* Competitive celibacy and the dick embargo
* Dear god, enough with the women-only utopia
* Yes, we do need people to have babies
Plus, Hair-flipping and booty-bumping, the time Sarah tried to edit Rick Springfield, and…
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Nancy and Sarah are one-on-one today for a roving conversation that covers: Nancy’s Portland story in a Nicholas Kristof NYT column about West Coast liberalism, a violation of privacy in the latest Free Beacon scoop, and revisiting the Gen X fever that was The Breakfast Club and St. Elmo’s Fire.
Also discussed:
* Civics Bee!
* In defense of plastic straws …
* Purple states = the place to be
* Keeping the memory of Rachael Abraham alive
* West Coast liberalism, so bad even Nicholas Kristof admits it
* Who cares what BuzzMuffin43 says, anyway?
* Hepped Up, the fragrance
* No cameras in our bedrooms, please!
* She-Pee, denied
* Which Brat Packer turned out best?
* That weird tension between Andrew McCarthy and Emilio Estevez
* Journalist, meet your disgruntled subject
* John Hughes and British synth-pop
Plus, an emergency cookie recipe, some Demi Moore goddess love, a new media podcast that’s doing it right, and more!
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Episode Notes:
“What Have We Liberals Done to the West Coast,” by Nicholas Kristof (New York Times Opinion)
“A Murder in Portland,” by Nancy Rommelmann (Washington Examiner)
“Columbia Administrators Fire Off Hostile and Dismissive Text Messages, Vomit Emojis During Alumni Reunion Panel on Jewish Life,” by Eliana Johnson and Aaron Sibarium (Washington Free Beacon)
”Hollywood’s Brat Park,” by David Blum (New York Magazine, 1985)
“I Called Them Brats, and I Stand By It,” by David Blum (Vulture)
Stories I Only Tell My Friends: An Autobiography, by Rob Lowe, highly recommended on audio!
What’s in your hot box?
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Nancy: Horror Movie: A Novel, by Paul Tremblay
Got 20 minutes and $2.99? Read The Queens of Montague Street, “journalist Nancy Rommelmann's memoir of growing up in Brooklyn Heights in the 1970s, and excerpted in the New York Times Magazine as the essay, ‘Dazed and Confused.’”
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“Boys in crisis.” People write books about it. Melinda Gates just pledged $20 million to study it. Pundits make their bones rolling the phrase around in their mouths. But a crisis according to whom? Who profits when the American Psychological Society claims “traditional masculinity—marked by stoicism, competitiveness, dominance and aggression—is, on the whole, harmful"? And is telling boys they must change, with those changes often determined by women, just another recipe for resentment?
To find out whether boys will be boys, regardless of how often they’re told not be, we went to the source: 17-year-old Milo Pesca, son of the Great Mike Pesca, host of The Gist podcast and broadcaster/thinker extraordinaire.
On the table:
* Milo’s voice is like a warm blanket
* Did Ann Curry draw swastikas in the school bathroom?
* Women and their endless talking
* Sarah’s favorite mispronunciation
* Can anyone define “toxic masculinity”?
* Is vulnerability overrated?
* Babysitter Maggie might have been going through some things
* “I know I’m just a white dude …”
* The land acknowledgment-ing of gender
* “Girls Run the World,” or do they?
* Male role models!
* Watching boys is kind of cool
* If men don’t like to talk, what’s up with those three-hour podcasts?
* Paw Patrol: Threat or menace?!
Also, how lazy idioms affect our thinking, and — stop the presses — Nancy and Sarah disagree on the quality they want in a man. Plus: Four hot boxes!
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by Nancy Rommelmann
I’d like to introduce you to my mother. Not the woman I am sitting one foot away from in a Connecticut hospital bed, the skin on her hands as fragile as phyllo dough, the veins showing livid purple and the blue-green of old tattoos. Though it is true, her hands have always been this way.
“You have such beautiful big veins,” I recall six-year-old Karen telling my mother. Maybe it was during one of the weekends Karen’s mother and my mother, not yet 33, drove a carful of kids out to Westhampton, to an out-of-rental-season house along the beach road. The house had many wooden decks, it was always cold, and our first night there, I told my mom to add more water to the Lipton chicken soup mix; that it was too salty. Turned out there was salt water in the taps. It was the 70s, when kids were expected to stay outside until after dark and take out our own splinters, of which the decks supplied many. We slept in sandy beds while, my mother later told me, Karen’s mom went to the bar and brought home this or that new friend. My mother did not do this; she was not much of a drinker, though these were the days when parents did things we absorbed without understanding: the white lie about why dad had not come home, the woman’s voice that woke me late one August night in a different rental house, and my knowing her cries, which I at first mistook for the howls of a cat, had something to do with her husband and my mother.
“Mom, do you remember going to Westhampton?” I ask her now, interrupting her trying to eat a piece of chicken with a straw. She says yes and allows me to swap in a fork, it’s amazing how much she eats and yet keeps shrinking, 30 pounds gone since last fall, her legs not much more than long bones now. I’ve asked the nurses how this happens; how she burns so many calories while hardly moving.
Or hardly moving but for her hands, ever looking for something to fix, folding and refolding a cloth, picking a shred of cheese from her blouse, holding my right hand in both of hers and pumping up and down for four minutes. I cannot glean the reasoning here, just as I could not see why, in the month before he died, my father held my wrist and stared in otherworldly fascination at my watch-face for 20 minutes. I asked my resolutely unspiritual (unless you count basketball and opera) math-savant dad, then, whether he was between here and some other next place.
He considered this. “I think so,” he said. And was it okay? Yes, he said; it was.
What else can I tell you about my mother? That the only picture she carries in her purse is one of herself. That the orange VW bug she drove us around in as kids had a bike rack and a ski rack and a bumper sticker that read, “Lacrosse: The Fastest Game on Two Feet.” That she used to wake up my brother and me by singing, “Everybody was kung fu fighting!” That when she walked, which she can no longer do, it was faster than any of us, she was ever in motion; even when she slept, she rocked and rocked and woke up in the mornings with her hair all ruched on one side. She also talked so fast that my father said, if he weren’t around her for a few weeks, he couldn’t understand her; that he could not keep up.
What sentences my mother starts now usually trail off. She does not seem bothered by this. We are past the being bothered years, the taking mom's word for things years, the hiding the car keys and then disconnecting the battery years, the calling the oil company to see if I can wrest back some the excess $11,000 mom has sent, mailing check after check in an attempt to stay on top of her bills. It brings me no joy to see the fight gone out of her, while understanding, it makes it easier, in some ways, for the rest of us.
My favorite thing to do now is to make her smile. She is always happy to see me, to see my brother, my daughter. She knows us still, though sometimes she will say, to me, "It's been so long since I've seen Nancy."
But then, she can surprise. "You have a skirt on," she tells me, just now. Also, "I'd like to know in advance..." before looking back at the TV. My mother, who never watched television, is now enamored of cop shows, "Law & Order SUV" and "Chicago PD."
"That's my guy," she told me, as recently as three months ago, of Jason Beghe.
"This was less than a year ago," my daughter says, sending a video of my mother half-running to greet her.
There will be no more running, not after the broken hip. The previous rehab facility was gruesome, garbage on the floors, an orderly yelling that his paycheck wasn't available. The staff where she is now is cheerful and attentive, and I try, as I did when looking at my mother's hands, to find the beauty: the woman two doors down cooing in German to a plastic baby doll. P., her lipstick perfectly applied, waiting in her wheelchair by the nurses' station like a real-life Delta Dawn.
My mother has buried three husbands, none of whom took the slow leave taking. My dad had lunch at his assisted living facility and, while talking to the nurses, went weak-kneed. They were tucking him in bed and, he dipped. Very elegant. My stepdad died after a short hospitalization. I was with him and, as I wrote, “There was so much beauty at the moment of death, near audible like a sip through a straw rushing into the night, the skin on his face going taut in an instant, and the color of beeswax.” My mother's last husband shrank and shrank from leukemia, my mother was with him when he died. Afterwards, she told me, she fell on her hands and knees into a snow-bank and shouted to the air, "I can't do this!" But she could. If I had a dollar for everyone who's ever said to me, "Your mother is a force of nature," I would have enough to buy her a fine steak dinner, though it might be wasted on her.
"The first time I took her out, she ordered a steak well done," my dad would say, insinuating, it had almost been a dealbreaker.
What can I tell you about my mother? That she painted super-graphic stripes, including up and around a set of pocket doors, down the long hallway of our apartment. That she was a very good tennis player. That she grew up working-class on Long Island and wound up traveling the world. That at 25 she lost her own mother, a Greek immigrant who had my mother at 17, and missed her every day. I am hoping that whatever next place my dad saw, my mother gets to meet her mother there.
"I'm going to go now, Mom," I tell her tonight, and she forms her first sentence in three hours. "Is there enough?" she asks, and I don’t know how to answer.
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Our guest Kat Rosenfield is one of the best cultural critics of our day: Funny, incisive, fast-moving, and a great novelist to boot (see You Must Remember This). She’s a third-timer on this pod, which might be a record, and she’s just landed a plum gig as a columnist for the Free Press. You may know Kat from her podcast Feminine Chaos, with Phoebe Maltz-Bovy, or you may know Kat from Twitter, where she always keeps it interesting. She came on to talk about her latest column for the Free Press, “Does Divorce Make You Hotter?”
Also discussed:
* Divorce rings
* So many Emilys
* Bad-mouthing your former spouse in public
* Tom Wolfe: “The right to shuck overripe wives”
* Red flags in men are somehow not red flags when women do it?
* The point of a personal esssay
* WE LOVE MEN, good husbands edition
* The people who crow their happiness on social media are almost never happy
* Rasputin, the cat
* Social media breakup announcements: We are the celebrities now
* In defense of the “over-ripe” demographic
* Sarah announces her new boyfriend, which almost certainly means she’ll break up tomorrow
* But what does he eat for breakfast?
* Do real criminals rap about their previously undetected crimes?
Plus, Diddy and the potential dangers of confusing the artist with his art, some Andy Mills love, the origin story of Sarah’s new romance, and much more!
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Olivia Nuzzi is the Washington correspondent for New York Magazine, and a total fox, not that it’s AT ALL relevant to the work she does, which is top-tier. She began her career as a teenager at an alt-weekly in New Jersey and worked on the Anthony Weiner campaign (oh boy), and a story she wrote about that experience brought her to prominence. These days, she’s a rock-star writer with bylines in Politico, GQ, Esquire, and The Washington Post, and she was a finalist for the 2023 National Magazine Award for feature writing. She’s been covering the recent Trump trial from the courtroom — until she got kicked out, that is — and her insight into that uniquely American character has made her reporting a must-read. “Trump is not really there if he’s not being looked at by other people.”
Also discussed:
* “It’s certainly ‘Weiner.’”
* How an obsession with comedy led a political beat
* The peculiar power of being professionally curious
* Olivia did not steal Corey Lewandowski’s photo album!
* The journalist’s question: What the fuck is going on here?
* How to NOT bribe a cop
* Donuts as micro-aggression
* Is Trump sleeping during his trial, and if so, why?
* The beige oppression of a courtroom
* Why Trump needs a beauty blender
* Stormy Daniels: “I slept with THAT?!”
* Trump as the classic American striver
* “Bimbo eruptions”
* But ARE we living in a simulation?
* The greatness of Eddie Pepitone
* “Just because something is not true doesn’t mean it can’t be a problem”
* Olivia is named after who?!
Plus, how being unable to say “More Ovaltine, please” changed the course of Olivia’s career, one of the great movie soundtracks according to Sarah, Olivia’s predictions about the trial and the 2024 election, and much more!
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Everyone knows gun violence is a problem, but whose problem, exactly? Big cities or rural areas? Republicans or Democrats? Most people respond to these questions with emotion, best guesses, knee-jerk anger, but our guest Magic Wade responds with data. A professor in Illinois, Wade started the profound 1000 Cities Project on Substack to show that “gun violence isn't merely a ‘red state’ or ‘blue city’ problem. It's a widespread, worsening phenomenon affecting too many American communities. This isn't moral panic, it's rational outrage.” The old storylines about gun violence aren’t working, but if we’re going to confront one of the great social catastrophes of our time, we need more robust information, and Magic Wade (her real name!) has it.
Also discussed:
* Growing up in Alaska with homesteader parents
* Sometimes Mom sleeps with a loaded gun beside the bed
* Assault-rifle deaths are a drop in the bucket
* Why some victims of gun violence elicit more sympathy than others
* When journalists turn academic research into hot takes
* “When conflict escalates past a certain point, the conflict itself takes charge. The original facts and forces that led to the dispute fade into the background. The us-versus-them dynamic takes over.”
* How Salon went hyper-partisan …
* Mike Schmidt, ouuut in Portland
* A better de-carceration movement
* That time Minneapolis wanted to abolish the police
* Surveillance vs. safety
* Requested: More men dancing!
* Two Degrees of Nancy Rommelmann
Plus, tips from a homicide detective that Sarah once dated, the feel-good caper of the summer, and the masculine hotness of Gene Kell
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People are mad, version five million: A recent anti-celibacy ad on Bumble sparks outrage, a Catholic commencement speaker touting Catholic values sparks outrage, a rap mogul caught enacting violence that rap moguls are only supposed to rap about (not actually do) — well, you see the pattern.
Nancy and Sarah find themselves out-shouted by the online hordes of angry social media users, ticked-off feminists, Benedictine nuns, Change.org users et al as they discuss the culture news of the past week.
Also discussed:
* “I Choose JIF”
* What is a Harrison Butker, and why did it take over the news cycle?
* The tyranny of “I don’t agree with everything they said…”
* Should Nancy spring for a billboard protesting bleu cheese?
* S. Korea floats the idea of paying people $70,000 to have a baby, which gives Sarah an idea for her next vacation…
* The toxic stew of rom-com fantasy and porn kink that is online dating
* Sarah takes a vow of what now?
* Door-slammy feminism
* “I like dick.” / “Thank you for sharing that.”
* Can Diddy ever come back from this moment?
Plus: Creative solutions for accidental boners, the Studio 54 of Dallas, and will Nancy and Sarah ever find a yacht rock song they both love?
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First Sunday Zoom is June 2, 8pmET/5pmPT. Our group watch/discuss is Pulp Fiction, which Nancy watched last night and about which she will say, while John Travolta’s charisma may be undeniable, there’s also…
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Ken Ilgunas may be the coolest writer you haven’t heard of yet. Sarah worked with him at Salon, where he wrote personal essays about: living in a van while attending Duke University; camping in the rain at Occupy Wall Street; and hiking the XL Pipeline. He’s since written memoirs about discovering the natural world and himself, including Walden on Wheels. He’s lived in Alaska and now lives in Scotland, but as a boy, he never went hiking, never went hunting, knew nothing of the natural world outside his small upstate New York town. Recently, he wrote in his newsletter about the profound effect podcasts had on him, and we’re here for it. Where else are you gonna get a primer on oral health, a disquisition on Jordan Peterson, and a plug for JIF peanut butter?
Also discussed:
* How to make a nasal strip look sexy
* Ken will fly to Dallas and bang on the door if Sarah tries to date Tucker Carlson
* Cardinal podcast sin = slow starts (#guilty)
* Chronic dreams about grizzly bears
* Studying journalism as journalism circles the drain
* Liberal arts education: Yay or nay?
* Van life before #vanlife
* “Can we make this podcast sponsored by peanut butter?”
* Radiolab and chill
* Great moments in IDW
* Bibliotherapy
* Would you rather wake up to an hour of bird sounds or an hour of Twitter?
* “A battering-ram kind of schlong”
* That time Ken was a wet blanket in The New Yorker
Plus, the first podcasts we remember listening to, the YouTube video that Sarah has watched 100 times, Ken chooses a hot box especially for each of the hostess (did it just get warm in here?) and much more.
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Episode Notes:
“I live in a van down by Duke University" by Ken Ilgunas (Salon)
Ken Ilgunas’ website
More Ken Ilgunas stories at Salon
Walden on Wheels: On The Open Road from Debt to Freedom by Ken Ilgunas
Columbia University faces calls for tuition refunds as school moves to hybrid classes for rest of term in wake of anti-Israel protests
Morning After the Revolution: Dispatches from the Wrong Side of History by Nellie Bowles
What’s in your hot box?
Ken, for Sarah:
Ken, for Nancy:
Sarah: Black Water, by Joyce Carol Oates
Nancy: The Spirit Catches You and You Fall Down, by Anne Fadiman
Ken picks the outro (great song)
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You may not recognize Andy Mills’ name, but you likely know his work: He co-created The Daily podcast for The New York Times, where he also produced Rabbit Hole, a fantastic series on the internet, and – quite fatefully! – the war on terror podcast, Caliphate. Shit happened. It was complicated. Andy is no longer at The New York Times.
But he’s struck out on his own. Last year he gave us The Witch Trials of JK Rowling, one of 2023’s best podcasts, and now he’s back with a new podcast, Reflector, which tells “stories about the strange experiences of being human — sparking wonder, unveiling complexity, and igniting curiosity.” The first episode tackles a familiar topic, over-drinking, and centers on an unexpected subject: Katie Herzog, the very funny host of Blocked & Reported, who shares her experience with the anti-drinking drug Naltrexone. Nancy and Sarah chat with Andy about addiction, storytelling, faith, and how to push back on the media’s excesses.
Also discussed:
* The burden of knowing who is going to hell
* The Bible, it has slow parts
* The love of God is a very hard thing to lose
* Drinking as a spiritual experience
* How the social justice movement is deeply Protestant
* The Caliphate scandal
* About Andy’s exit from the New York Times …
* Sarah, the black belt of dumping beer on people’s heads
* Jealousy’s role in the media meltdown
* More on Donald McNeil Jr. ouster, and Nancy could not be happier/angrier
* Did Infinite Jest predict social media?
* Naltrexone: Miracle drug, or “quick fix” that doesn’t address what’s wrong?
* “You’re a smoker? Lucky you.”
* A civil war on the movie Civil War
* “I wanna listen to a podcast that’s just Nancy saying, ‘William Langewiesche.’”
* The Harry Potter of adult romance novels
Plus, video texts equal love, why no stories are actually neutral, why alcohol is an “analog drug,” and much more!
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