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  • Anna Paulina Luna Wants Everything Disclosed

    Anna Paulina Luna Wants Everything Disclosed

    · Interesting Times with Ross Douthat

    In an era defined by deep institutional distrust, a new trend within populist conservatism has emerged. It’s a sense that the federal government is keeping secrets and protecting the powerful at our expense. My guest this week is Representative Anna Paulina Luna, a conservative Republican from Florida who has quickly established herself as a political troublemaker. She’s challenging fellow lawmakers — Republicans and Democrats — on issues like sexual harassment and ethics, but she doesn’t see her campaign to clean up Congress as in tension with her allegiance to President Trump. Luna has focused her first years in Congress on exposing what she views as coverups, from the Epstein files to the assassination of John F. Kennedy and longstanding government secrecy around U.F.O.s.

    00:00 - Intro 01:31 - Luna's politics: "Conservative with a streak of populism" 08:07 - From chaos to conservative influencer 16:17 - Critiquing the ethics of Congress 24:55 - Presidential ethics and the Epstein files 36:25 - The U.A.P. activity at Eglin Air Force Base 41:02 - The "mosaic" around the J.F.K. assassination 47:50 - U.A.P. evidence 54:30 - Whistleblower retribution and protections 57:57 - Secret programs: "A stronger dose of strangeness"

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  • Our Military Is Built for the Wrong Century

    Our Military Is Built for the Wrong Century

    · Interesting Times with Ross Douthat

    The future of high-tech warfare has arrived. Just look to the conflicts in Ukraine and Iran to see how much drones and robots have remade the modern battlefield. Is the U.S. positioned to win wars in this new era? What are the ethical constraints of waging autonomous warfare? My guest this week is Christian Brose, the president and chief strategy officer of Anduril, a defense technology company building a slate of autonomous weapons and defense systems for the American military.

    00:00 - Intro 03:18 - Drones on the Russia - Ukraine battlefield 8:17 - Iran's stalemate and American military readiness 17:11 - Anduril is more than a "Lord of the Rings" reference 25:33 - Force fields and a layered defense 31:12 - The challenges of "finicky" autonomous systems 44:44 - The ethics of automating the kill chain

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  • A Defense of a Liberal Arts Education in the Age of A.I.

    A Defense of a Liberal Arts Education in the Age of A.I.

    · Interesting Times with Ross Douthat

    What’s really driving the humanities crisis in higher education? As enrollment and reading decline, I asked Jennifer Frey, a professor of philosophy, what it was like to run a liberal arts program that was gutted. I wanted to know whether she thinks the age of A.I. could bring back the kind of education she says is fundamental to human formation.

    00:00 - Intro 2:08 - Why study the humanities? 5:00 - Do the humanities mean more morality? 15:00 - Shakespeare vs. John Grisham 24:07 - The Tulsa Honors College 34:43 - Left-wing critiques and specialization 44:10 - Is conservatism a friend to liberal arts? 56:32 - Why the humanities are crucial in the age A.I.

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  • China's Not the Problem. We Are.

    China's Not the Problem. We Are.

    · Interesting Times with Ross Douthat

    The United States and China are really the only two countries that matter right now in shaping the A.I. future. As President Trump and President Xi Jinping meet in Beijing, there’s a kind of Cold War atmosphere, with people talking about an A.I. arms race. But who is winning? Are we even in a race at all? Kyle Chan, a foreign policy fellow at the Brookings Institution, says it’s hard to call it a race because the U.S. and China have very different A.I. goals.

    00:00:25 U.S. vs. China in A.I. 00:03:07 Everyday A.I. in China 00:07:41 China's A.I. chip limitations 00:12:14 China's A.I. advantage: energy & deployment 00:16:10 China's public mood on A.I. 00:19:44 AI, job displacement and social concerns 00:23:53 Robots for China's labor shortage 00:26:55 China's view on America's AGI fixation 00:31:16 Distilling A.I. models 00:38:39 U.S. needs more A.I. deployment 00:41:48 U.S. chip policy and the hawk's argument

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  • A Legendary Investor on How to Prevent America’s Coming ‘Heart Attack’

    A Legendary Investor on How to Prevent America’s Coming ‘Heart Attack’

    · Interesting Times with Ross Douthat

    A stalemated war. Fractured alliances. A rival waiting in the wings. It feels to me that we’re having an “end of the American empire” moment. My guest this week, Ray Dalio, is an unlikely prophet of doom — the billionaire Bridgewater investor conquered Wall Street by studying history and mastering global trends. He foresaw the 2008 financial crisis,and these days he’s warning that the U.S. is repeating the patterns that ended great empires of the past.

    0:00 - Intro 01:24 - The rise and fall of empires through big cycles 08:35 - Geopolitical tensions: China, Iran and the Suez Canal 14:27 - Fiat currency or gold? 24:19 - America’s coming ‘heart attack’ 30:37 - Acts of nature, A.I. and technology 43:37 - ‘Could we have a Japanese future?’

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  • Why Are We Still Driving?

    Why Are We Still Driving?

    · Interesting Times with Ross Douthat

    Self-driving cars are here. But what kind of future will they bring: safe roads and extra time or dystopian traffic jams? My guest this week is Andrew Miller, who writes about self-driving cars and transportation policy. I love the open road, so I press him on what’s lost when we give away driving to the robots.

    0:00 - Intro 01:27 - The sales pitch for Waymo, Tesla, and Zoox 12:24 - How autonomous are autonomous cars? 20:14 - Liability: Who is responsible for an accident? 31:56 - Political obstacles: Spying, data, labor 38:53 - 20:35: The good and bad scenarios 48:25 - Are we losing the “romance of the road”?

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  • A Bitcoin Evangelist Tries to Convert Me

    A Bitcoin Evangelist Tries to Convert Me

    · Interesting Times with Ross Douthat

    One question has haunted my investment strategy for years: What is cryptocurrency actually for? It feels as though the vibes are constantly shifting — one day it’s the dollar’s successor, and the next it’s little more than a meme. My guest this week is bitcoin evangelist Anthony Pompliano, the chief executive of ProCap Financial. We get into whether crypto is a bet against the American empire and whether its volatility is actually a strength.

    0:00 - Intro 01:27 - Physical to digital: The evolution of financial assets 05:00 - The wealth inequality gap 09:58 - The global adoption of crypto 14:51 - Bitcoin vs. Ethereum 20:26 - Why "stability" is a financial lie 29:30 - A “digital savings account” 41:57 - The role of Bitcoin in political dynamics 56:05 - “A bet against America”

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  • Trump Is the End of a 100-Year Experiment

    Trump Is the End of a 100-Year Experiment

    · Interesting Times with Ross Douthat

    President Trump has tested the limits of presidential power since he returned to office — from his assertion of total control over federal agencies to his war in Iran. But so far, many of Trump’s most aggressive moves have been stopped by the Supreme Court.

    My guest this week is Sarah Isgur, a conservative court watcher, who argues that the Supreme Court isn’t just a firewall against Donald Trump, but the real power center in American politics today.

    0:00 - Intro 01:28 - Remaking the presidency: The hundred-year experiment 04:26 - Trump’s legal retribution campaign 09:15 - The Supreme Court’s strategy in the face of Trump 18:15 - “Looming" cases: Tariffs and birthright citizenship 28:23 - Supreme Court internal dynamics 43:32 - The future bench

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  • How Ben Sasse Is Living Now That He Is Dying

    How Ben Sasse Is Living Now That He Is Dying

    · Interesting Times with Ross Douthat

    How would you live if you knew when you were going to die? I sat down with the former Republican senator Ben Sasse to hear how he is facing his own mortality after receiving a terminal cancer diagnosis. For Sasse, cancer brings pain, but also clarity, sharpening his focus on the state of our politics, his wife and three children, and the God he expects to shortly meet.

    0:00 - Intro 01:51 - Ben Sasse’s terminal diagnosis 07:14 - Oncology navigation and clinical trials 16:10 - Sasse’s career in the Senate and reflections on politics 32:55 - What could a civic-minded Senator achieve? 38:15 - Reforming academia and liberal arts 54:49 - Facing mortality: The “final enemy” 59:27 - Advice for the living 1:01:10 - The “prayer of pancreatic cancer”

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  • Did Jesus Rise From the Dead? A Debate.

    Did Jesus Rise From the Dead? A Debate.

    · Interesting Times with Ross Douthat

    Even if you don’t believe he walked on water, the teachings of Jesus still have a certain power. My guest this week, the New Testament scholar Bart Ehrman, calls himself a “Christian atheist.” I asked Ehrman to come on the show to explore Jesus’ message, discuss how the Bible has shaped the morality of the Western world and explain what even the biggest skeptic can learn from one of mankind’s oldest texts.

    0:00 - Intro 02:20 - Jesus’s moral teachings 08:15 - Ehrman’s path away from Christianity and faith 21:22 - The historical evidence for Jesus and the New Testament 33:26 - The challenges in interpreting the Gospels 52:07 - The contradictions in the New Testament 01:04:10 - Historical and geographical validity 01:09:25 - The visions and reality of the Resurrection 01:19:21 - A “Christian atheist”

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  • How Far Will Trump Go in Iran?

    How Far Will Trump Go in Iran?

    · Interesting Times with Ross Douthat

    Is the U.S. winning the war with Iran? Even though President Trump claims success, it doesn’t quite feel like it — oil and gas prices are high, the Strait of Hormuz is effectively closed, and the Iranian regime is still in place. Mark Dubowitz, the chief executive of the Foundation for Defense of Democracies and a prominent Iran hawk, explains why “total victory” is within reach in spite of the cost. I pressed him on the gap between Trump’s desire for a quick deal and his desire to end the Islamic Republic.

    00:00 - Intro 00:03:49 - Is Iran biding its time until Trump leaves office? 00:07:07 - Three phases to regime change 00:09:42 - Iran's military capabilities and the Strait of Hormuz 00:14:54 - How will the next American president treat Iran? 00:18:48 - The battle for the Strait of Hormuz 00:23:27 - Will Iran attack its neighbors? 00:28:43 - Will Trump cut a deal? 00:38:19 - Does Israel think Trump is its best chance? 00:43:04 - Risk of U.S. alienation from Israel 00:48:01 - The cost of inaction and the Iranian people

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  • White Identity Is Galvanizing the Right

    White Identity Is Galvanizing the Right

    · Interesting Times with Ross Douthat

    The idea that white people — and white men in particular — face discrimination has become something of an obsession on the American right.

    It’s a view that my guest this week shares. Jeremy Carl was nominated to a State Department post by the Trump administration, which sparked a lot of controversy. Carl is the author of “The Unprotected Class,” in which he makes the case that white Americans are in danger of becoming “second-class citizens.”

    I wanted to know what he thinks constitutes anti-white discrimination and whether focusing on it inevitably leads to white nationalism. After we taped this interview, Carl withdrew his nomination, acknowledging that he lacked enough support to be confirmed.

    0:00 - Intro 01:59 - Jeremy Carl’s trajectory and State Department Nomination 05:24 - The Civil Rights Act and rise of anti-white Discrimination 12:20 - The impact of immigration on white Americans 24:53 - The "radicalization" of D.E.I. 37:37 - Carl’s provocative language and controversial tweets 51:06 - “White culture” vs. “civic nationalism” 01:01:00 - The fours pillars of “Americanness”

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  • The Democrats Could Still Screw This Up

    The Democrats Could Still Screw This Up

    · Interesting Times with Ross Douthat

    Can the Democrats finally seize on President Trump’s increasing unpopularity and end their slump? It seems to me as though 2026 is providing them ample opportunity. But I wanted to know what they actually stand for. Have they learned anything about immigration? Are they ready for the new politics of artificial intelligence? To find out, I asked someone I consider a true man of the left, Chris Hayes, the host of “All In With Chris Hayes” on MS NOW.

    00:00 Intro 02:09 - Democrats: The state of play in 2026 06:46 - How Israel fractures the Democrats 09:19 - Immigration reform beyond the “old consensus” 19:46 - Models for Democratic leadership: Mark Kelly, Ruben Gallego, Rafael Warnock, and Jon Ossoff 27:22 - 2028: Kamala Harris, Gavin Newsom and “the Hillary Clinton problem” 30:41 - The politics of attention 36:19 - The challenges of achieving a Leftist society 45:37 - A Leftist case against A.I. 1:04:23 - Will A.I. define the 2028 election?

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  • Does the Iran War Put America First?

    Does the Iran War Put America First?

    · Interesting Times with Ross Douthat

    I don’t think a war with Iran is what Trump — or his voters — had in mind when he campaigned on “America first.” My guest this week is Curt Mills, the executive director of The American Conservative, a magazine that champions foreign policy restraint. Mills thinks the war with Iran is a major betrayal of the voters who put Trump in the White House and has the potential to shatter Trump’s domestic coalition.

    01:27 - Tracking the Trump administration’s foreign policy shifts and dynamics 08:50 - The different strands of right-wing foreign policy 15:00 - Is the anti-war movement real?: Policy, polling and public opinion 27:49 - Israel, Saudi Arabia and the Middle East’s influence on U.S. foreign policy 40:17 - Why can’t Trump say no to Israel? 46:20 - How does the fallout in Iran impact Trump’s potential 2028 successors and insurgents?

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  • The New Space Race

    The New Space Race

    · Interesting Times with Ross Douthat

    We’re going back to the moon for the first time in more than 50 years. That is, if Artemis II can get off the ground. I sat down with Jared Isaacman, the billionaire leading NASA, to hear his perspective on everything from extraterrestrial life to the timeline for sending humans to Mars.

    This interview was recorded before NASA announced the delay of Artemis II’s launch.

    01:59 - Where are we? 04:00 - From entrepreneur to astronaut 09:04 - The “lunar futuristic junkyard” 15:06 - NASA’s budget 22:43 - Beyond NASA: Blue Origin, SpaceX and private industry 27:26 - The orbital economy 37:21 - How do we get to Mars? 43:31 - “Do you think there's life out there?”

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  • Welcome to the Indian Century

    Welcome to the Indian Century

    · Interesting Times with Ross Douthat

    The next global leader is waiting in the wings — and no, I don’t mean China. India is the major power with the fastest-growing economy and the world’s largest population, and on the heels of trade deals with the United States and the European Union, it’s poised to become even more influential. I wanted to speak with Amitav Acharya, a prominent international relations scholar, about whether a new Indian century is about to be born.

    01:49 - India vs. China: The race to development05:26 - “The mother of all trade deals”11:02 - India's “multi-aligned” foreign policy17:46 - What is India’s grand strategy?24:08 - The diaspora’s cultural and civilizational influence41:50 - India in 2060

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  • Anthropic's Chief on A.I.: ‘We Don’t Know if the Models Are Conscious’

    Anthropic's Chief on A.I.: ‘We Don’t Know if the Models Are Conscious’

    · Interesting Times with Ross Douthat

    A.I. is evolving fast, and humanity is falling behind. Dario Amodei, the chief executive of Anthropic, has warned about the potential benefits — and real dangers — linked to the speed of that progress. As one of the lords of this technology, is he on the side of the human race?

    01:37 - The promise and optimism of A.I.12:59 - White collar "bloodbaths"25:09 - Robotics and physical labor30:16 - The first “dangerous” scenario42:22 - What if it goes rogue?48:01 - Claude’s constitution

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  • Why Ending Roe Wasn’t Enough for the Pro-Life Movement

    Why Ending Roe Wasn’t Enough for the Pro-Life Movement

    · Interesting Times with Ross Douthat

    Nearly four years after Roe v. Wade was overturned, where is the pro-life movement setting its sights? That’s what I wanted to know from the activist Lila Rose. We spoke last month in front of a live audience at the Catholic University of America. We debated whether her cause was prepared for the fall of Roe and whether abortion still matters at all to the right.

    01:55 - Live Action and undercover activism05:53 - Pro-Life 101 and S.L.E.D.13:36 - “The mistake of feminism”17:02 - Pro-family policy22:47 - The political landscape after Roe 42:35 - The pro-life movement beyond politics47:39 - The medical “zone of uncertainty”53:53 - Why should women be pro-life?

    (A full transcript of this episode is available on the Times website.)

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  • ‘Trump Has Lost the Country’

    ‘Trump Has Lost the Country’

    · Interesting Times with Ross Douthat

    I want to say something that few conservatives will admit right now: Donald Trump has lost the country. The coalition he assembled to defeat Kamala Harris has evaporated, and his aggressive agenda — never mind his legacy — won’t survive if Republicans can’t win the next election.

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  • A Plan to Restore Trust in Science From a ‘Fringe Epidemiologist’

    A Plan to Restore Trust in Science From a ‘Fringe Epidemiologist’

    · Interesting Times with Ross Douthat

    If you want to understand how Robert F. Kennedy Jr. became the face of American public health, you have to go back to the Covid era. Medical authorities spoke with certainty: Trust the science. Don’t listen to skeptics. But a lot of people stopped trusting experts entirely when outsiders got some things right and the establishment got some things wrong. Now those outsiders are in charge, like my guest this week. Dr. Jay Bhattacharya is the director of the National Institutes of Health. I wanted to know: Can an outsider restore trust in public health institutions without undermining trust even more?

    02:11 - How the “fringe epidemiologist” came to be08:18 - What went wrong while “crushing COVID-19”15:18 - “The responsibility of public health leaders”28:42 - Reforming public health and the NIH42:52 - Three areas of controversy plaguing public health1:00:52 - Success metrics

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