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Hello, friend! I'm delighted to share this month's Becoming Podcast episode with you. In it, I interview artist and fellow wilderness quester Glenda Goodrich.
Glenda is an artist, art doula, SoulCollage® facilitator, writer, and convener of ceremony. She brings together earth-based rituals, community gatherings, and creative expression in a search for new ways to show love for the Earth.
Here's some of what Glenda and I talk about in this episode:
> How creativity can support us during rites of passage and times of transition in our lives
> How Glenda embraced her own creativity in midlife after a powerful wilderness Quest experience, and how stepping into creativity can be a rite of passage unto itself
> The call that the midlife transition offers us to live more authentically
> Glenda and I each share some powerful wilderness Quest stories, as well as some of the challenges entangled in embarking on the ritual of Quest
> What it is to become your own spiritual authority, and how that can be a journey that is both grief-filled and beautiful
> What it means to create authentic, deeply meaningful ritual
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I'm really excited to share with you my interview with Megan Sheldon.
Megan and I connected through the magic of Instagram a few years ago, and we've recently enjoyed a couple of conversations sharing lots of professional and personal commonalities. Megan holds a tremendous amount of wisdom around grief work, ritual and ceremony, and I'm delighted to have her on the show.
Here's some of what Megan and I talk about in this episode:
> How engaging with ritual called Megan early on in her life, as well as the origin story of the Be Ceremonial app.
> Ritual and spirituality: can you have one without the other?
> Many beautiful stories of rituals and ceremonies Megan has facilitated, including funerals, miscarriage and abortion rituals, rituals during illness, and many inspiring and touching others.
> The permission we give ourselves – or don't – to grieve and ritualize seemingly invisible moments and turning points in our lives.
> Thinking outside the box when it comes to ritual (and breaking a few rules along the way!).
> The tender awkwardness of creating ritual for yourself, your family and your community, even when you're new to the practice yourself
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I'm delighted to share with you that The Becoming Podcast is back for its 6th season (wow!) and that I've got a full and rich lineup of guests to share with you this year!
The first is my dear friend Annie Bray.
There were a lot of different titles I could have given this podcast and "Deep Conversation Between Two Brilliant Midlife Friends About The Complexity of Life" was right up there.
After we finished this interview, Annie and I chuckled that listening in would be a lot like being welcomed as an eavesdropper in the kind of conversation we might be having anyway, over a cup of tea by a roaring fire, if only we lived in the same city.
Our conversation – and our whole friendship – just feels so human. And so if that sounds like a dose of good medicine for you, I invite you to tune in.
Here's some of what Annie and I talk about in this episode:
> The paradox that traversing times of radical transformation in your life is deeply dysregulating, but that being able to regulate your nervous system is necessary to navigating these times with more ease.
> How having a "regulated" nervous system has also been weaponized – particularly against women – and can be conflated with being well behaved or put together.
> How our modern perspective of the nervous system is reflective of our culture's individualism, and how we've forgotten the importance of co-regulation with other humans, the more-than-human and the numinous.
> How to show up anyway even when you aren't "regulated" or don't have capacity. Annie and I share a tender moment about how I recently asked for her support, and what it means to hold each other through impossible times that, in the world we're living in, don't look to be getting any easier.
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Hello beautiful ones! I am so excited to share this month's interview with Lucy Jones with you. I think it might be one of my favourite episodes ever: our conversation was so rich and so full of the kinds of things I think we *really* need to be talking about when it comes to matrescence and motherhood.
I started following Lucy in the early days of writing her new book, Matrescence: On the Metamorphosis of Pregnancy, Childbirth and Motherhood. I was totally captivated by the ecological lens she applied to the transition to motherhood. It was so much like my own perpsective and experience that I felt I'd found a kindred spirit.
Lucy's book is one of the first on the experience of matrescence, and it is a raw and riveting account of her own metamorphosis as well as a cultural critique about modern motherhood.
As we near the close of registration for the 2023 Season of MotherSHIFT and The Village, I'm delighted to be able to share this conversation with the many of you who are also walking this path of matrescence and matrescence-support.
Here's some of what Lucy and I talk about in this episode:
> The rarely spoken-of and yet increasingly common ecological awakening that so many new mothers have – and Lucy's personal experience of leaning into her relationship with the living world as she traversed her own matrescence.
> The things no one ever fucking told us about motherhood, including the societal expectations of motherhood versus the realities so many of us face. We talk about ideologies around birth and mothering and how they deny us the opportunity to feel "normal" in these richly complex and usually paradoxical experiences.
> The absence of modern-day rite and ritual to support us through matrescence, and how we must engage in the act of culture creation in order to reclaim these.
> How liberal feminism lets mothers down, and how motherhood revolutionizes our relationship with work (and capitalism).
> The untapped power of matrescence to radicalize us and poise us to advocate for social change (the biggest FUCK YES of this whole episode!).
I loved this interview so much, and I hope you enjoy tuning in!
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Hello beautiful ones! I am so excited to share this month's interview with Heng Ou and Marisa Belger with you.
They are the authors of The First Forty Days: The Essential Art of Nourishing the New Mother, which was a groundbreaking book for so many new mothers and postpartum professionals. To say I was delighted to be able to connect with these two amazing women is the understatement of the year! Especially as we approach the launch of the 2023 Season of MotherSHIFT and The Village, this conversation is so rich and filled with wisdom for mamas and their support people alike.
Here's some of what Heng, Marisa and I talk about in this episode:
> What is true now, for both Heng and Marisa, seven years after their bestselling book The First Forty Days was published. We talk about what has changed and how, in some ways, we're only just beginning.
> What happens when we take the traditions of the first forty days and insert them into a capitalist, patriarchal, white supremacist culture – and how having the "perfect postpartum" is another myth that many mothers can become trapped in.
> How we try to tame the wildness and unpredictability of pregnancy, birth and motherhood, and how to sit in the unknowns we face during these times.
> The intuition that new motherhood gives us access to, how "maternal instinct" has been weaponized against mothers, and how listening to your intuition doesn't necessarily mean you'll always get it right.
> What happens to mothers' sense of identity and self-worth when they find themselves dramatically slowing down in the first forty days.
> How mothers' relationship with food and their bodies shifts and changes over the course of pregnancy, birth, postpartum and matrescence.
I loved this interview so much, and Heng and Marisa have an incredible wealth of wisdom to share. I hope you enjoy tuning in!
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Hello beautiful ones! I am so excited to bring you this month's episode of The Becoming Podcast with Mimi Young.
Mimi Young is a Taiwanese Canadian animist spirit medium and the founder of Ceremonie, an esoteric brand focused on conversations around greater intuition and creativity, animism, and realigning with our deeper purpose. Mimi works at the intersection of animism and wu shamanism, practical magick, tea kinship, and other Chinese mystic practices to communicate with the Unseen, offering private readings, education and mentorship, and made-to-order skin and aura care. Mimi has held space globally in her Mystery Mentorship program and retreats, as well as collaboratively with brands including Goop, Almost 30, Spirit House Collective, and Tokyo Smoke. She currently holds an online coven space, Homing Coven, open to all who desire to walk closely with the Seen and Unseen.
Here's some of what Mimi and I talk about in this episode:
> Failure as a confrontation with death that ultimately makes us more human and divine
> How to suspend your disbelief and follow your intuition in a hyper-rational world
> Animism and working with tea as an ally
> How we clutch exogenous sources of intuition like tarot and astrology when we're traversing the unknown, and what to do instead
> How the wisdom of the 5 Chinese Elements can support us to thrive in liminal space
> How motherhood sparked Mimi's intuition – and how this plays out for so many mothers
> The link between creativity and intuition, and the animacy and mystery of Creative Force
And so much more. This was such a rich and wide-reaching conversation, and Mimi is so incredibly well-spoken and wise. We had fun, too, and laughed a lot! I hope you enjoy getting to know Mimi as much as I did in this episode.
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The Becoming Podcast has been on a short hiatus while I focus on writing my book, but oh what a comeback episode I have for you!
This month, I spoke to Toko-pa Turner, who many of you may know as the unofficial patron saint of many of my circles and gatherings because of the sheer number of times I've quoted from the wisdom of her book, Belonging.
Toko-pa is a Canadian author, teacher, and dreamworker. Blending the mystical teachings of Sufism in which she was raised with a Jungian approach to dreams, she founded The Dream School in 2001, from which thousands of students have graduated. She is the author of the award-winning book, Belonging: Remembering Ourselves Home, which explores the themes of exile and belonging through the lens of dreams, mythology, and nature. This book has resonated for readers worldwide, and has been translated into 10 different languages so far. Her work focuses on the relationship between psyche and nature, and how to follow our inner wisdom to meet with the social, psychological, and ecological challenges of our time.
Here's some of what Toko-pa and I talk about in this episode:
> The dream that changed Toko-pa's life, causing her to question her career and, ultimately, her identity
> How we can court our dreams to support us during times of radical transformation – and the reasons so many of us have a hard time remembering and working with what shows up in our dreamscape
> Toko-pa's perspective on the message of Belonging after the divisiveness our society has experienced in the years since it was published
> What happened for both Toko-pa and I when we fell out of belonging from the ideologies of the "wellness world"
> How to build community when you're under-resourced
> "The Big Lie" when it comes to belonging, and how we can reclaim a sense of belonging to the greater family of things, as Mary Oliver so famously wrote
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Welcome to the third episode of the 2023 season of the Becoming Podcast!
On this month's show, I had the great pleasure of having a conversation with Day Schildkret. I was first introduced to Day's work many years ago when a friend recommended I check out his book, Morning Altars. Now, Day has written Hello Goodbye, a "recipe book" of rituals, that shares wisdom about how we can more meaningfully honour the hellos, goodbyes and other transitions in our lives.
Here’s some of what Day and I talked about in this episode:> Two massive catalyzing moments that Day experienced in one year, and the choice we have to make meaning of the threshold moments in our lives – or not.
> The key components that need to be a part of every ritual in order for it to be successful.
> The intangible, magical qualities of ritual and how we in our culture are inclined to "assassinate mystery with answers," rather than allowing the mystery of ritual to unfold.
> The importance of having our rituals witnessed, and how to choose good witnesses.
And those are just the highlights! I hope you enjoy listening to this episode as much as I enjoyed recording it!
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Welcome to the second episode of the 2023 season of the Becoming Podcast!
On today’s episode, I welcome Jennifer Garvey Berger, someone whose work I've been following for many years, and who I consider to be a valuable teacher of mine. I was so excited to nerd out with her about all things adult development psychology, neuroscience and complexity theory.
Before we dive in, let me tell you a bit about Jennifer:
The co-founder and CEO of Cultivating Leadership, Jennifer blends deep theoretical knowledge with a driving quest for practical ways to make leaders’ lives better. She coaches executives and executive teams, designs and teaches leadership programs. Jennifer has written three highly acclaimed books on leadership and complexity and how to grow the capacities we need for the world in which we live. She hopes her newly-released fourth book, Unleash Your Complexity Genius, will change your life. When she’s not working with clients and colleagues, you can find her in the French countryside, where she has bought a house with eleven friends who live in community and try to keep the dog from terrifying the cats. Here’s some of what Jennifer and I talked about in this episode:> Jennifer's move to the south of France to a big house with eleven friends, and how re-defining and reclaiming community has grown her and challenged her.
> A model of adult development psychology that I use to guide my work with clients and that Jennifer teaches so eloquently. It's all about this amazing shift from allowing the opinions of others to define our lives to taking up the pen and authoring our own rules of engagement.
> Jennifer's new book, Unleashing your Complexity Genius, all about how we can grow the capacity of our nervous systems to be more resourceful and resilient in the face of change and complexity.
> The surprisingly simple ways to increase your short term, medium term and long term capacity during transformational times – and how these things are actually sources of tremendous pleasure and joy.
I hope you enjoy listening to this episode!
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Wow! I can't believe we're on season 5 of this podcast! That is 4 years and 36 joyful episodes I've had the pleasure of sharing with you!
On today's episode, I welcome The Becoming Podcast's first repeat guest, my friend Mara Glatzel. (You can listen to our first episode together here). If you don't already know Mara, she is an intuitive coach, writer, and podcast host. She is a needy human who helps other needy humans stop abandoning themselves and start reclaiming their humanity through embracing their needs and honoring their natural energy cycles.
Here's some of what Mara and I talked about in this episode:
> The publication of Mara's book – and a sneak preview into how she's attuning to her own energy + seasonal cycles as her February 28th launch date approaches. Mara beautifully models how tending to your needs and celebrating your successes is an evolving endeavour that even the "masters" among us will always be ever-mastering.
> Grappling with the tension being "professional" and also being a human and caring for humans with oh-so-very human needs, and how it's a political statement to show up just as we are.
> How seeing others' humanity begins with seeing, validating and tending to our own humanity.
> Radical self-responsibility: the fact that you are the person most intimately familiar with your needs, and are therefore the only person who can really advocate for those needs to be met, by yourself or by those around you.
> And a little treat for you at the end!
I hope you enjoy listening to this episode! I'm so delighted to shout Mara's work from the rooftops because I think it's the foundation to any life transformation made well.
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I know so many of you will be excited to listen to this episode of the podcast with Sarah Vermunt. For almost all of the people I work with, career change ends up be the focus of or at least a part of their process of radical transformation. And that, my friends, is Sarah's speciality!
Here's some of what Sarah and I talked about in this episode:
> Sarah shares that she has a lot of clients experiencing severe burnout and that so many people are questioning the humanity of the ways we've been asked to show up to work. We also talk about how internalized some of our ways of working are, and that entrepreneurship isn't always "the answer" to our work woes.
> The importance of getting clear on who you are and what matters most to you before embarking on career change (or any change!) so that you can step into your next path authentically. We talk about idealized notions of work like the "4 Hour Workweek" and digital nomadism, and how even though they look really great, they're not right for everyone.
> How difficult the liminal space – the time of not knowing what you want or where you're headed in your work life – can be in our capitalist, patriarchal, supremacist society.
> What the heck a Careergasm actually is, the many ways meaningful work can look for different folks in different phases of our lives, and how, despite what our culture says, none of it is wrong.
> How to navigate being a multipotentialite in a world that tells us you have to "niche down," but also how to discern whether all your skills and abilities really need to be monetized.
I hope you enjoy listening to this episode! Sarah has so much wisdom to share, and this was a truly fun conversation!
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Today on The Becoming Podcast, I'm sharing my conversation with Sarah Durham Wilson.
This episode goes DEEP into the wisdom of the archetypes and how we are called to unearth the darkest, gnarliest parts of ourselves in order to fully become. My conversation with Sarah covers:
> What the maiden and mother archetypes are, and how to know which one is playing out in your life at any given time
> How Sarah is ever-undoing the patriarchal norms that she has internalized, and how we can do the same
> What it means to become mature, or to become elders in training, and how that's different from just "getting older"
> Honouring initiatory seasons in our lives (aka the dark times), and a reminder that the word "crisis" means dangerous opportunity.
> How to discern sovereignty from toxic individualism
> How Sarah's midlife crisis made her who she's been dying to be
I hope you enjoy listening to this episode! Be sure to grab a pen and journal because Sarah drops some serious wisdom bombs, and they're not to be missed!
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I'm really excited to bring you my conversation with Molly Millwood, Ph.D., today.
Molly's book, To Have and To Hold: Motherhood, Marriage and the Modern Dilemma, is, hands down, one of the best books on matrescence and maternal mental health that I've ever read....and I've definitely read them ALL. We share so many perspectives on this rite of passage in women's lives that I knew I had to have her on the show, and our time together definitely did not disappoint.
First, let me tell you a little bit about Molly. She is a licensed psychologist, author, speaker, singer-songwriter, mother, wife, and devoted advocate for women’s mental health and wellbeing. She holds a Ph.D. in clinical psychology from the University of Montana and completed a postdoctoral fellowship at Stanford University Medical Center. After balancing (or more accurately, never quite balancing) an academic career with a part-time psychotherapy practice for over 15 years, Molly now practices therapy full time. She works with adult individuals and couples, helping women rediscover themselves within the metamorphosis of motherhood and helping couples of all sorts improve their relational health.
If you are a mother – especially if you're a mother in the first few years of your mothering journey, this episode is for you. Here are some of the things that Molly and I talked about:
> The idea of losing yourself in motherhood, and Molly's personal experience of that....and also the opposite: of unearthing and reclaiming parts of herself after she became a mother that she didn't realize she had lost.
> Both Molly and I share our own stories of connecting with a deeply creative part of ourselves in motherhood.
> What the "modern dilemma" is and how Molly believes mothering is harder now than it has ever been.
> Postpartum mental health, the postpartum depression paradox and normalizing the challenging aspects of matrescence.
> The double-edged sword of social media for new mothers, the "mask of motherhood" and performative vulnerability.
> The challenges that our intimate partnerships face when a baby arrives, how parenting widens the gender gap and is often hardest for people who've strived for equality in their relationships.
I hope you enjoy listening to this episode as much as I enjoyed speaking with Molly. We had an instant connection over so many shared ideas, which is obvious in this super-delightful conversation. Mamas, get ready to feel a lot less alone and a lot more normal.
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It’s my great pleasure to have Kimberly Ann Johnson join me for a rich and wide-ranging conversation on The Becoming Podcast this month.
I’ve been following Kimberly’s work since her seminal book, The Fourth Trimester, rocked the worlds of mothers and birth workers alike when it was released five years ago. Since then, I’ve come to view Kimberly as someone who sees the connections between seemingly unrelated things and brings us insight and wisdom from intersections in the worlds of birth + postpartum wellness, somatics, sex and trauma.
Here’s a little more about Kimberly: she is a Sexological Bodyworker, Somatic Experiencing practitioner, yoga teacher, postpartum advocate, and single mom. Working hands-on in integrative women’s health and trauma recovery for more than a decade, she helps women heal from birth injuries, gynecological surgeries, and sexual boundary violations. Kimberly is the author of the Call of the Wild: How We Heal Trauma, Awaken Our Own Power, and Use It for Good, as well as the early mothering classic The Fourth Trimester, and the upcoming co-authored book with Stephen Jenkinson, Reckoning. She is the host of the Sex Birth Trauma podcast.
The conversation I had with Kimberly was so generously informative and thoughtful – I can’t wait to share it with you.
We talked about:
> Kimberly’s new book, Reckoning, co-authored with Stephen Jenkinson, on navigating grief in the times we’re living in.
> How Kimberly’s first book, The Fourth Trimester, was truly a roadmap for the rite of passage into motherhood….and also what she feels are the necessary next steps in our culture’s approach to postpartum wellness.
> How female nervous systems are unique, and how Kimberly’s recent book The Call of The Wild invites women to understand their nervous systems and learn what they need. Hint: it’s not more deep breaths and hot baths.
> How learning the particular language of your nervous system allows you to experience deeper authenticity and power – even in circumstances, like birth, that are often vulnerable.
> “Hold it” moments, and how we can metabolize important moments in our lives, no matter how tiny or tectonic their impact.
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Oh my friends, this month's episode of the Becoming Podcast is so special, in so many ways.
First of all, I'm just going to come right out and say it: this is one of those fangirl episodes where I reach out to someone I adore and whose work I've been following for many, many years, and cross my fingers. It was such an honour to have Amber say an enthusiastic YES to my request, and to then have such a beautifully connecting, heartfelt conversation together.
If you're not familiar with Amber and her work, here's what you should know:
Amber is an herbalist, homesteader, and podcaster who is caretaking two daughters, four cats, and seven chickens on an herb farm in Northern California. She helps her online community remember what it is to be human upon the earth through earth and ancestor connection. Amber is the creator of the Mythic Medicinals line of herbal and mushroom medicines and the host of the Medicine Stories podcast.The conversation I had with Amber was rich, meandering and deeply thought-provoking. We talked about:
> Amber's journey into motherhood and then into herbalism, and how that naturally led to a curiosity about ancestral lifeways
> Evolutionary mismatch theory, and how modern life is both burning us out and waking us up
> What it's like to parent in these times, where we often lack the traditional ways of knowing, community support and rites of passage (for us as mothers and for our children) that we need to guide us
> What it means to reclaim deep self- and inner-knowing as a way to navigate these challenging times with more ease, competence and integrity
This episode covers so very many of my favourite things, from herbalism and earth connection to mothering to rites of passage. I hope you enjoy the conversation I had with Amber as much as I did.
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When I read Lisa Marchiano's new book, Motherhood: Facing and Finding Yourself, I knew I had to have her on the podcast.
Though I usually work with mothers who are traversing the initial few years of their mothering journey, I found Lisa's book deeply insightful and comforting for the mothering experiences that I'm currently having.
Let me tell you a little bit about Lisa:
Lisa Marchiano, LCSW is a writer and Jungian analyst in private practice in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. She is the cohost and creator of the popular podcast This Jungian Life. She teaches at the C.G. Jung Institute of Philadelphia, and lectures widely on Jungian topics. In addition to being the author of Motherhood: Facing and Finding Yourself, Lisa's writings have appeared in Quillette, The Journal of Analytical Psychology, and Psychological Perspectives, among other publications.
The conversation I had with Lisa spans so many topics, including:
> How a deeper sense of inner knowing is a gift that motherhood offers us, if we'll accept it
> How motherhood invites us to move into deeper self-authority
> How our relationships with our own mothers shift when we become mothers ourselves
> A new version of the well-known Selkie story that reframes it as a failed initiation, and shows us what a "successful" initiation into motherhood requires
> How losing yourself in motherhood is necessary, and not a bad thing at all
This is a powerful episode that I found so resonant to my own motherhood journey, and those of the mamas I support. I hope you are inspired and heartened by Lisa's wisdom.
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Welcome back for another episode of The Becoming Podcast, friends!
I'm thrilled to bring you this deep and thought-provoking conversation with Shauna Janz.
Shauna is an educator, facilitator and ritualist at the crossroads of grief, trauma, embodiment and ancestral healing work. For the past 15 years she has worked in both private practice offering 1:1 support, and with national and international organizations offering trauma-informed facilitation training, grief literacy and curriculum development, and ancestral healing rituals to diverse audiences.
I wanted to have Shauna on the show because grief work continues to play a huge role in the work that I do: it's an inextricable part of what it means to traverse change in our lives.
Our conversation begins with Shauna's intimate insight into the grief journey that she's traversing right now. Relatedly, we talk about what we have "permission" to grieve. Shauna offers profound wisdom around the conditions and capacities that support us in our grieving process, as well as how grief can be an elder that ushers us into who we're becoming. We talk about the cultural influences on grief and who "gets" to grieve, and how to have agency with what can be an all-consuming experience. We continue on in a conversation around somatics and embodiment, the loss of community witnesses for our grief, and how we pathologize grief.
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A big welcome to this month's Becoming Podcast guest, Mara Glatzel!
Mara and I have known each other for years, and I was really excited for our conversation. It did not disappoint.
As many of you know, self-tending is one of the Seven Core Competencies of Radical Transformation – those skills and capacities that we need to grow in order to traverse times of change in our lives with more ease. Given that Mara is the QUEEN of all things tending to your needs, I just had to have her on the show.
Let me tell you a little bit about Mara. Mara is an intuitive coach, writer, and podcast host. She is a needy human who helps other needy humans stop abandoning themselves and start reclaiming their humanity through embracing their needs and honouring their natural energy cycles. Her superpower is saying what you need to hear when you need to hear it and she is here to help you believe in yourself as much as she believes in you.
Our conversation was rich and lively. Mara shared the way that she thinks about self-care and tending, and how we need to shift from a prescriptive model of what "good self-care" looks like and into learning how to recognize what we requireto honour our humanity and keep being the humans we want to be.
We talked about "thin times" – when we're going through transformation or challenge – and how to grow our capacity through meaningful tending.
We also talk about honouring our humanity by asking for what you need in work and caregiving contexts. As I listened back to our conversation in the editing process, I realized that both Mara and I have the privilege of being able to (even if we don't always) structure our work in a way that allows us to take time off when we need to, and that's reflected in our conversation. Even if this isn't the case for you, I hope maybe you can feel inspired to be audacious in the supports you feel you can ask for (and maybe some of the ones you feel you can't, just for good measure).
Finally, we muse on the idea that maybe seeking a more human way of living and meeting our needs actually might be the rite of passage that underlies them all, and that the ability to centre your needs will never be more important than it is now, as the world becomes an increasingly challenging place to live.
I hope you enjoy this interview as much as I did!
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On this month's podcast, I had the great pleasure of connecting with Carmen Spagnola. I first learned of Carmen's work quite a few years ago now, and since then have taken a number of her programs. I value her as a teacher and guide also exploring what it means to traverse rites of passage and other initiatory experiences, as well as a fellow multipotentialite who sees the throughlines and patterns between seemingly unrelated things and, in so doing, brings us ideas and concepts that are inspiring and new. Here's a little more about Carmen: she works at the intersection of attachment, somatic attunement, and personal/collective trauma. People find her because something is collapsing within or around them – their relationship, self-identity, ecosystem, or something else. Carmen is a trauma recovery practitioner, clinical hypnotherapist, attachment support worker and teacher, podcast host since 2014, Wilderness Quest guide, Le Cordon Bleu (Paris)-trained chef, rose and vegetable gardener, witch of no particular affiliation, and animist, among other things. She has taught intuition development workshops since 2011, including her popular year-long program, The Numinous School, which ran for 7 years online. Her courses, workshops, and live classes are now found all in one place in The Numinous Network. Her book, The Spirited Kitchen: Recipes and Rituals for the Wheel of the Year,will be released on October 18, 2022, by Countryman Press | W.W.Norton. In this episode, Carmen shares with us the catalyzing moment that brought her to her knees – and to the way she lives and shows up in the world, as well as in her work, today. She talks about how she followed her childhood spiritual curiosity into learning about and supporting people from a rites of passage lens through ritual and initations. Carmen shares with us the Four Shields of Human Development model of transformation that she uses as a framework for this work. Then she dives into a Quest story that beautifully illustrates how this framework shows up in people's lived experiences. We finish our conversation with Carmen sharing a bit about her upcoming cookbook, which I literally •cannot wait• to have on my shelf! I loved this thoughtful, rich and meandering conversation with Carmen and I hope you do too!
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