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Michele Ellertson, a true pioneer in the world of canine scent work, will be visiting New South Wales and Queensland this August for a series of exclusive scent work training clinics.
In today’s episode, Michele sits down with our own Peta Clarke to discuss all things scent work, with a focus on the exciting topics she will be covering during her visit. From building effective training plans to mastering the art of dog-driven searching, Michele’s clinics promise to offer invaluable insights and hands-on training opportunities.
While QLD is fully booked, you can still register for NSW, held at Mount Murray Farm, the home of Canine Ed, from August 23 to August 26, 2024:
Friday, August 23:
Building An Effective Scent Work Training Plan For Dog Owners
- Time: 8:30am - 4:30pm
Saturday, August 24:
The Dog Driven Container & The Dog Driven Vehicle
- Time: 8:30am - 4:30pm
Sunday, August 25:
Morning Session: Games for Maintenance
- Time: 8:30am - 12:00pm
Afternoon Session: Hides in Three Planes - One of Michele's favourites!
- Time: 1:00pm - 4:30pm
Monday, August 26:
Morning Session: Leading Vs Dog Driven Searching
- Time: 8:30am - 12:00pm
Afternoon Session: Teamwork/Leash Handling - Half Day
- Time: 1:00pm - 4:30pm
Each session is meticulously crafted to cover different aspects of scent work training, ensuring a comprehensive and enriching learning experience.
Registration:
To register for the clinic, please complete the attached form. Spaces are limited, so we encourage you to register early to secure your spot. Preference will be given to auditors booking for the full day, as we will cap auditing spots at a maximum of 10 to allow for optimal viewing access. LINK TO FORM
For any questions or further assistance, please email us at [email protected].
We look forward to welcoming you and your dog to this fantastic training opportunity. Happy training, and stay tuned for more insightful conversations with Peta Clarke and Michele Ellertson!Hey, thanks for listening to the Canine Ed Podcast! You can find more about Canine Ed through our website or check in with us on Facebook and Instagram
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Sharon has been a professional animal trainer for over 30 years; she has been both a presenter and trainer in a range of animal shows, and currently operates a dog training and behaviour consulting business based in Newcastle, Australia.
Intent on really understanding animals better, Sharon completed a Bachelor of Applied Science, a Graduate Diploma (Captive Vertebrate Management – wildlife and exotics) and a Master of Animal Science. Sharon is currently completing a PhD in Veterinary Pharmacology. Sharon is a fully certified behaviour consultant with the International Association of Animal Behavior Consultants (IAABC) in both dogs (CDBC) and horses (CHBC), and is a certified professional dog trainer - CPDT-KA. Sharon is also a faculty member of Fenzi Dog Sports Academy (USA). You can see what she has on offer by visiting Fenzi Here
Sharon guest lectures to post graduate veterinarians and behaviourists at several universities and organisations on the topics of animal behaviour, training, species-specific cognition, welfare, and psychological trauma in animals.
Nowadays Sharon’s core focus is working with dogs with significant behavioural issues (e.g. aggression, reactivity, sensitivity, psychopathologies), as well as helping people reach their training and competition goals with their sensitive and/or atypical dog.
In all cases, Sharon’s primary aim is to help the humans to understand the underlying cause for their dog’s behaviour, and to use both management and behaviour modifying training, to achieve a better outcome for both the dog and their human/s.Hey, thanks for listening to the Canine Ed Podcast! You can find more about Canine Ed through our website or check in with us on Facebook and Instagram
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Dr Matt Muir is an Intergrative Clinician and Director at All Natural Vet Care in Russell Lea in Sydney's Inner West. Matt graduated with Honours in Veterinary Medicine at Charles Sturt in Wagga Wagga and hails from the Riverina of NSW.
In this episode, Matt returns to discuss the pros and cons of Spaying and Neutering.
Matt harnesses the best of both worlds to bring the best options to preventative health for his clients and their Guardians. After graduation, Matt continued to study Traditional Chinese Medicine along with Chinese Food Medicine and Western Herbal Medicine. Matt uses various therapies in his consultations, including massage and TTouch.
To get in touch with Dr Matt Muir Click Here
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Dr Matt Muir is an Intergrative Clinician and Director at All Natural Vet Care in Russell Lea in Sydney's Inner West. Matt studied Veterinary Medicine at Charles Sturt in Wagga Wagga and hails from the Riverina of NSW.
In our conversation we discuss his ability to harness the best of both worlds to bring the best options to preventative health for his clients and their Guardians. After graduation, Matt continued to study Traditional Chinese Medicine along with Chinese Food Medicine and Western Herbal Medicine.
Matt uses various therapies in his consultations, including massage and TTouch.
References:
Gut microbiome structure and adrenocortical activity in dogs with aggressive and phobic behavioral disorders
The Role of the Canine Gut Microbiome and Metbolome in Health and Gastrointestinal Disease
Connecting dysbiosis, bile-acid dysmetabolism and gut inflammation in inflammatory bowel diseases
Prevalence of Canine Obesity-Related Metabolic Dysfunction, and Relationship with Owner Obesity in an Obesogenic Region of Spain
https://www.nature.com/articles/nrmicro.2017.44
Anticancer effects of the microbiome and its products
Elevated serum neurotensin and CRH levels in Children with Autistic Spectrum Disorders and tail-chasing in Bull Terriers with a phenotype similar to Autism
The Effect of Early Diet on Canine Atopic Dermatitis (CAD) in Three High-Risk Breeds
Gut Microbiota: Implications in Parkinson's disease
To contact Dr Matt Muir
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This podcast was recorded on February 4th 2021, since that time the beautiful Cassie has left this life and I struggled a little with the delay in editing and loading this podcast. I hope you enjoy this one, it is really special to me and I want to thank Lori for giving me the time to talk about her work, our love of seeing dogs chill, and of course, the incredible Cassie, she certainly has been a dog that has given my goals and backed choices I've made for my dogs.
If you haven't heard of Lori Stevens (CPDT-KA, SAMP, CPBC, CCFT), where have you been? All jokes aside, Lori is a professional dog trainer, an animal behaviour consultant, a canine fitness trainer, an animal massage practitioner, and a senior Tellington TTouch® Training practitioner.
Lori continually studies the interactions among animal behaviour, movement, learning, fitness, and health. She uses intimidation-free, scientific, and innovative methods, in an educational environment, to improve the behavior, performance, health, and fitness of animals. Lori gives workshops, presents at conferences (e.g. Clicker Expo), teaches online courses, and gives webinars.
Cassie
Lori gets joy from teaching others how to help their dogs thrive–whether for competition or daily life. Periodically, Lori also coaches for courses taught by Ken Ramirez at “The Ranch”. She has three DVDs produced by Tawzer Dog Videos and is the creator of the Balance Harness®. In addition, Lori teaches online classes.
You can contact Lori here: [email protected]
Lori also teaches through Fenzi Academy, Behaviorworks with Dr Susan Friedman, and of course, Karen Pryor Academy
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In this podcast, Lisa Wright chats to Bex Tasker and Karin Stillberg. This is our first for Mount Murray Farm, we talk about sheep, alpacas, chickens, dogs and horses. With the philosophy of Reward Based Training in mind, I also wanted to share this one with all of the Canine Ed Family as well. My big take away with our conversation in this podcast is to do what is manageable. We often can't make the experiences of our animals purely positive but we can aim for the least invasive, minimally aversive scenarios. We talk about putting work into the 'Trust Bank'.
Bex Tasker lives on a small farm in Western Bay of Plenty, New Zealand with her animals and young family, and travel around my beautiful country and overseas to deliver clinics and lessons to horses and their passionate and dedicated humans. As well as the "real life" teaching, she has a thriving online membership community, and runs regular coaching intensives with students from all over the world. In early 2019 Bex partnered with her good friend and experienced youth worker Brooke Friend to establish a successful youth programme, focused around ethical horse training, life skills and mental health. Bex first learned about science-based animal training in 2001 and quickly became obsessed with learning everything she could about the science and the art of training and behaviour, and particularly the use of positive reinforcement (clicker training) with dogs and horses. Bex feels fortunate enough to learn in person from some of the world's best positive reinforcement trainers, including the incredible Dr Suan Friedman, Ken Ramirez, Dr Bob Bailey, Kay Laurence, Shawn Karrasch, Mary Concannon, Steve White and Peta Clarke. Bex also reads extensively and continuously on the topic, both published books as well as various online groups and sites. It's been almost 20 years now and the learning never stops!
Karin Stillberg moved to New Zealand with her partner from Sweden, it is here her love and work with sheep has grown. Her Instagram account, Carrots and Compassion is full of footage of her work with sheep, which while brilliant for the sheep, also has incredible benefits for those of us who would like to put less stress on our animals, and also less stressful for us as well.Karin's clicker training journey started more than a decade ago and she
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We caught up with Tracy Sklenar as she was on the road to the first Agility Workshop in a while due to the pandemic. It was a fun chat about Flyball, Agility, pandemic life, and all the bits in between. Tracy Sklenar has been training dogs and competing in dog agility for over 20 years, and is perhaps the only handler in the world who has won medals in international Finals as a coach for 2 different countries AND as a handler with her own dog in both team and individual events.
Tracy is on the faculty of Agility University (www.agility-u.com) and Agility MasterClass (www.agilitymasterclass.com), and also travels extensively to teach seminars and compete. Her “Feet Forward” approach to handling and emphasis on connection and reinforcement have helped handlers excel at every level and with every type of dog!
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It is always a joy to chat with Peta and this was a lot of fun, we covered a lot of ground, not all relating to training, but then again, they were. From training fish, to nose work, Applied Behaviour Analysis, Animal Welfare, surviving the pandemic and being kind to ourselves alongside the future directions in learning with our learners!
Peta Clarke says 'As humans, it is easy to forget that other animals can have a very different sensory experience of the world. Just as our sense of sight has evolved to be the primary way we get information from our immediate world, many other mammals have developed olfaction, or smell, as their primary sense. Understanding this is the first step to understanding the animals we work with on their terms. One of the most exciting things that have happened for me as a trainer over the past four years has been my growth in understanding of the incredible world of scent for dogs.'
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Michael is a an internationally sought after keynote speaker and presenter on the topic of dog aggression at numerous events, conferences, and universities worldwide. He has mentored and presented to thousands of animal professionals in twelve different countries. We feel Michael is a uniquely placed trainer in that he is using the Science of Applied Behaviour Analysis and Reward Based Training to work through even the most challenging aggression cases.
We feel incredibly proud to be bring these courses to Australia and New Zealand, you can visit www.canineeducationaus.com and go to our Canine Ed Online Learning area of the menu, where you will find links to Michael's Aggressive Dog online workshops. We have a special offer exclusive to those of you listening in the Oceana Region of the world too, with the links on the page.
Thank you to everyone who participated in the Q and A, Michael said afterwards he was really impressed with the quality of questions he was getting.
Keep safe and well everyone,
Lisa
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We caught up with four time world champion, Anastasia Egorova, to talk about her new course with Canine Ed Online. Anastasia found a need for more distance with her now nine year old Border Collie, Chase, after she was in a major car accident that left her with 22 broken bones. Her take on what it means to handle at distance might surprise you, and her passion for dogs, their fitness and foundation training is really inspiring. We can promise you, you will never complain about not having space to train once you hear how Anastasia manages her dogs in an apartment in central Moscow.
We would love to welcome you to this course is where you will grow your relationship and skill level for you and your puppy or new dog. This is also for the dog that missed these crucial foundation steps and is now needing to revisit those skills. No specific equipment is needed, just a commitment to giving your dog the best start they can get.
To find out more, visit us here at Canine Ed Online Learning
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Today we got to talk all things Scent with Ann McGloon.
Ann got her start in dog training 22 years ago, when she welcomed her first Sussex Spaniel (a rare vulnerable British breed) into her home. Dissatisfied with much of the training she encountered, she began her education in earnest into learning about positive approaches to dog training. In 2017, she became part of Absolute Dog’s Pro Dog Trainer Movement, a worldwide cadre of professionals teaching and inspiring through positive reinforcement and games-based conceptual learning.
Her love of dogs and community lead her to Josephine County’s Search & Rescue K9 Unit, where for over a decade she has been a coach, trainer, and handler by deploying her certified dogs throughout southern Oregon and beyond. Her dog sport passion is agility. One of her most memorable moments came when she and her Sussex “Beryl” were invited to the AKC Agility Invitational where they finished as the top 8” Preferred Dog. ln addition to her passion for agility and scent work, she has exhibited and titled dogs in virtually every venue from spaniel hunting tests to rally, obedience, and conformation. Her home is now graced with one Sussex and a working cocker spaniel.
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