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I have no earthly idea how to describe this conversation. Itâs about religion and belief â at this moment in our politics, and in our lives more generally.
My guest and I come from very different perspectives. Ross Douthat is a Catholic conservative, who wrote a book called âBelieve: Why Everyone Should Be Religious.â Iâm a ⊠Californian. But I think everyone would enjoy this conversation â believers, skeptics and seekers alike.
Some questions touched on: Is the Trump administration Christian or pagan? How do Christian Trump supporters reconcile the cruelties of this administration with their faith? Can religious experiences be explained by misfiring neurons? Should organized religions embrace psychedelics? Can mystery provide more comfort than certainty?
And if you do enjoy this episode, be sure to check out Douthatâs new New York Times Opinion Audio show âInteresting Times,â available wherever you get your podcasts, and on YouTube.
Mentioned:
Interesting Times with Ross Douthat
âDonald Trump, Man of Destinyâ by Ross Douthat
Living with a Wild God by Barbara Ehrenreich
Book Recommendations:
Modern Physics and Ancient Faith by Stephen Barr
After by Bruce Greyson
Mind and Cosmos by Thomas Nagel
Thoughts? Guest suggestions? Email us at [email protected].
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This episode of âThe Ezra Klein Showâ was produced by Elias Isquith. Fact-checking by Kate Sinclair and Mary Marge Locker. Mixing by Isaac Jones, with Aman Sahota and Efim Shapiro. Our executive producer is Claire Gordon. The showâs production team also includes Marie Cascione, Annie Galvin, Rollin Hu, Marina King, Jan Kobal, Kristin Lin and Jack McCordick. Original music by Pat McCusker. Audience strategy by Kristina Samulewski and Shannon Busta. The director of New York Times Opinion Audio is Annie-Rose Strasser.
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After last weekâs episode, âThe Emergency Is Here,â we got a lot of emails. And the most common reply was: You really think weâll have midterm elections in 2026? Isnât that naĂŻve?
I think we will have midterms. But one reason I think so many people are skeptical of that is theyâre working with comparisons to other places: Mussoliniâs Italy, Putinâs Russia, Pinochetâs Chile.
But we donât need to look abroad for parallels; it has happened here.
Steven Hahn is a Pulitzer Prize-winning historian at New York University and the author of âIlliberal America: A History.â In this conversation, he walks me through some of the most illiberal periods in American history: Andrew Jacksonâs Indian Removal Act of 1830, Jim Crow, the Red Scare, Japanese American internment, Operation Wetback. And we discuss how this legacy can help us better understand whatâs happening right now.
This episode contains strong language.
Book Recommendations:
Democracy in America by Alexis de Tocqueville
From the War on Poverty to the War on Crime by Elizabeth Hinton
Troubled Memory by Lawrence N. Powell
Thoughts? Guest suggestions? Email us at [email protected].
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This episode of âThe Ezra Klein Showâ was produced by Jack McCordick, Annie Galvin and Elias Isquith. Fact-checking by Kate Sinclair, Mary Marge Locker and Michelle Harris. Our senior engineer is Jeff Geld, with additional mixing by Aman Sahota and Isaac Jones. Our executive producer is Claire Gordon. The showâs production team also includes Marie Cascione, Rollin Hu, Marina King, Jan Kobal and Kristin Lin. Original music by Pat McCusker. Audience strategy by Kristina Samulewski and Shannon Busta. The director of New York Times Opinion Audio is Annie-Rose Strasser.
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The president of the United States is disappearing people to a Salvadoran prison for terrorists: a prison built for disappearance, a prison where there is no education or remediation or recreation, a prison where the only way out, according to El Salvadorâs justice minister, is in a coffin.
The president says he wants to send âhomegrownâ Americans there next.
This is the emergency. Like it or not, itâs here.
Asha Rangappa is a former F.B.I. special agent and now an assistant dean and senior lecturer at the Yale Jackson School of Global Affairs, as well as a member of the board of editors for Just Security and the author of The Freedom Academy on Substack.
Mentioned:
âAbrego Garcia and MS-13: What Do We Know?â by Roger Parloff
Book Recommendations:
The Burning by Tim Madigan
Breaking Twitter by Ben Mezrich
Erasing History by Jason Stanley
Thoughts? Guest suggestions? Email us at [email protected].
You can find the transcript and more episodes of âThe Ezra Klein Showâ at nytimes.com/ezra-klein-podcast. Book recommendations from all our guests are listed at https://www.nytimes.com/article/ezra-klein-show-book-recs.html
This episode of âThe Ezra Klein Showâ was produced by Elias Isquith. Fact-checking by Rollin Hu, Jack McCordick, Kristin Lin and Kate Sinclair. Mixing by Isaac Jones and Aman Sahota. Our executive producer is Claire Gordon. The showâs production team also includes Marie Cascione, Annie Galvin, Marina King and Jan Kobal. Original music by Pat McCusker. Audience strategy by Kristina Samulewski and Shannon Busta. The director of New York Times Opinion Audio is Annie-Rose Strasser. And special thanks to Aaron Reichlin-Melnick.
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My colleague Tom Friedman thinks weâre screwed.
Thatâs the first thing he told me when recounting his recent trip to China. Itâs not just because of the trade war that President Trump is escalating right now. Friedman believes the whole Washington consensus on China â that the country is a hostile adversary â is dangerous and based on an outdated understanding of what China now is. He saw how Chinaâs manufacturing and technology have advanced so far that in many ways it now surpasses the United Statesâ.
In this conversation, Friedman walks me through the advancements he saw in some of the most critical fields of the coming decades â including A.I., E.V.s and clean energy. We discuss why he sees the current consensus as dangerous, what a different path might look like and what the United States should do to develop its domestic manufacturing so that we donât âget steamrolled.â
This episode contains strong language.
Mentioned:
âI Just Saw the Future. It Was Not in America.â by Thomas L. Friedman
âChina's overlapping tech-industrial ecosystemsâ by Kyle Chan
Genesis by Henry A. Kissinger, Eric Schmidt and Craig Mundie
Book Recommendations:
The works of Yuval Noah Harari
Thoughts? Guest suggestions? Email us at [email protected].
You can find the transcript and more episodes of âThe Ezra Klein Showâ at nytimes.com/ezra-klein-podcast. Book recommendations from all our guests are listed at https://www.nytimes.com/article/ezra-klein-show-book-recs.
This episode of âThe Ezra Klein Showâ was produced by Rollin Hu. Fact-checking by Michelle Harris, with Mary Marge Locker and Kate Sinclair. Mixing by Isaac Jones, with Aman Sahota and Efim Shapiro. Our executive producer is Claire Gordon. The showâs production team also includes Marie Cascione, Annie Galvin, Elias Isquith, Marina King, Jan Kobal, Kristin Lin and Jack McCordick. Original music by Pat McCusker. Audience strategy by Kristina Samulewski and Shannon Busta. The director of New York Times Opinion Audio is Annie-Rose Strasser. And special thanks to Zoe Zongyuan Liu, Kyle Chan and Matt Sheehan.
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After a week of market chaos, President Trump pulled back from the brink. But he didnât pull that far back. He left a 10 percent tariff on most of the world and launched a trade war with China. Itâs unclear what he will do after this 90-day pause or what countries need to do to satisfy him. But one thing that is very clear now is that our economy is subject to one manâs whims.
How are businesses supposed to adapt to this new reality? What is this new reality?
Peter R. Orszag is the chief executive and chairman of Lazard, one of the worldâs largest asset management and global financial advisory firms. He also served as the director of the Office of Management and Budget under President Barack Obama, so was a policymaker during a financial crisis. And over the past few months, heâs been talking to lots of C.E.O.s and corporate board members as they try to process these changing policies. I wanted to ask him what heâs been hearing and how he sees the volatility of this moment.
Mentioned:
âA Userâs Guide to Restructuring the Global Trading Systemâ by Stephen Miran
âPaul Krugman on the âBiggest Trade Shock in Historyââ by The Ezra Klein Show
Trade Wars Are Class Wars by Matthew C. Klein and Michael Pettis
Book Recommendations:
Underground Empire by Henry Farrell and Abraham Newman
Chokepoints by Edward Fishman
Smart Money by Brunello Rosa and Casey Larsen
The Catalyst by Thomas R. Cech
Kaput by Wolfgang MĂŒnchau
Thoughts? Guest suggestions? Email us at [email protected].
You can find transcripts (posted midday) and more episodes of âThe Ezra Klein Showâ at nytimes.com/ezra-klein-podcast. Book recommendations from all our guests are listed at https://www.nytimes.com/article/ezra-klein-show-book-recs.
This episode of âThe Ezra Klein Showâ was produced by Jack McCordick. Fact-checking by Michelle Harris, with Mary Marge Locker and Kate Sinclair. Mixing by Isaac Jones, with Aman Sahota and Efim Shapiro. Our executive producer is Claire Gordon. The showâs production team also includes Marie Cascione, Rollin Hu, Elias Isquith, Marina King, Jan Kobal and Kristin Lin. Original music by Pat McCusker. Audience strategy by Kristina Samulewski and Shannon Busta. The director of New York Times Opinion Audio is Annie-Rose Strasser. Special thanks to Matt Klein.
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The tariffs President Trump unveiled this week were both bigger than most people expected and a lot more confusing. These arenât the flat tariffs he proposed during the campaign. And they arenât reciprocal tariffs, as he claimed in his Rose Garden speech. So what is Trump actually doing here?
I knew my former colleague Paul Krugman would have some thoughts. Krugman is a Nobel laureate trade economist who was a New York Times Opinion columnist for 25 years. He now writes an excellent newsletter on Substack, where heâs been trying to make sense of the theories behind Trumpâs tariff policies and, now, their strange reality.
Mentioned:
âStop Looking for Methods in the Madnessâ by Paul Krugman
Book Recommendations:
The Price of Peace by Zachary D. Carter
How Not to Invest by Barry Ritholtz
War and Power by Phillips Payson OâBrien
Thoughts? Guest suggestions? Email us at [email protected].
You can find transcripts (posted midday) and more episodes of âThe Ezra Klein Showâ at nytimes.com/ezra-klein-podcast. Book recommendations from all our guests are listed at https://www.nytimes.com/article/ezra-klein-show-book-recs.
This episode of âThe Ezra Klein Showâ was produced by Rollin Hu. Fact-checking by Michelle Harris, with Kate Sinclair and Mary Marge Locker. Mixing by Efim Shapiro and Aman Sahota. Our executive producer is Claire Gordon. The showâs production team also includes Elias Isquith, Kristin Lin and Jack McCordick. Original music by Pat McCusker. Audience strategy by Kristina Samulewski and Shannon Busta. The director of New York Times Opinion Audio is Annie-Rose Strasser.
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Thereâs something of a policy revolution afoot: As of March, more than a dozen states â including California, Florida and Ohio â have passed bills or adopted policies that aim to limit cellphone usage at school. More are expected to follow.
Jonathan Haidt is the leader of this particular insurgency. âThe Anxious Generation: How the Great Rewiring of Childhood Is Causing an Epidemic of Mental Illness,â his book exploring the decline of the âplay-based childhoodâ and the rise of the âphone-based childhood,â has been on the New York Times best-seller list for a year. It feels, to me, like weâre finally figuring out a reasonable approach to smartphones and social media and kids ⊠just in time for that approach to be deranged by the question of A.I. and kids, which no one is really prepared for.
So I wanted to have Haidt on the show to talk through both of those topics, and the questions we often ignore beneath them: What is childhood for? What are parents for? What do human beings need in order to flourish? You know, the small stuff.
Haidt is a professor at New York University Stern School of Business and the author of âThe Righteous Mindâ and âThe Coddling of the American Mindâ (with Greg Lukianoff). His newsletter is called After Babel.
This episode contains strong language.
Mentioned:
âShe Fell in Love With ChatGPT. Like, Actual Love. With Sex.â by The Daily
The Age of Addiction by David T. Courtwright
âHave Smartphones Destroyed a Generation?â By Jean Twenge
Stolen Focus by Johann Hari
Book Recommendations:
The Stoic Challenge by William B. Irvine
Deep Work by Cal Newport
How to Win Friends and Influence People by Dale Carnegie
Thoughts? Guest suggestions? Email us at [email protected].
You can find transcripts (posted midday) and more episodes of âThe Ezra Klein Showâ at nytimes.com/ezra-klein-podcast. Book recommendations from all our guests are listed at https://www.nytimes.com/article/ezra-klein-show-book-recs.
This episode of âThe Ezra Klein Showâ was produced by Jack McCordick. Fact-checking by Mary Marge Locker and Kate Sinclair. Mixing by Isaac Jones, with Efim Shapiro and Aman Sahota. Our executive editor is Claire Gordon. The showâs production team also includes Michelle Harris, Rollin Hu, Elias Isquith and Kristin Lin. Original music by Pat McCusker. Audience strategy by Kristina Samulewski and Shannon Busta. The executive producer of New York Times Opinion Audio is Annie-Rose Strasser.
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Itâs our first subscriber-only âAsk Me Anythingâ of the year. The showâs executive producer, Claire Gordon, joins me to discuss your questions about the risk of a constitutional crisis and how Democrats, businesses and universities are responding to President Trump.
Thank you to everyone who sent in questions. And if you arenât a New York Times subscriber but would like to be, just go to https://www.nytimes.com/subscription.
This episode contains strong language.
Mentioned:
âA Democrat Who Is Thinking Differentlyâ by The Ezra Klein Show with Jake Auchincloss
âDon't Believe Himâ by Ezra Klein
Thoughts? Guest suggestions? Email us at [email protected].
You can find transcripts (posted midday) and more episodes of âThe Ezra Klein Showâ at nytimes.com/ezra-klein-podcast. Book recommendations from all our guests are listed at https://www.nytimes.com/article/ezra-klein-show-book-recs.
This episode of âThe Ezra Klein Showâ was produced by Kristin Lin. Fact-checking by Michelle Harris. Mixing by Isaac Jones, with Efim Shapiro and Aman Sahota. Our executive producer is Claire Gordon. The showâs production team also includes Rollin Hu, Elias Isquith and Jack McCordick. Original music by Pat McCusker. Audience strategy by Kristina Samulewski and Shannon Busta. The executive producer of New York Times Opinion Audio is Annie-Rose Strasser.
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The so-called Department of Government Efficiency is great branding. Who could be against a more efficient government? But âefficiencyâ obfuscates whatâs really happening here.
Efficiency to what end? Elon Musk, President Trump and DOGEâs boosters have offered various objectives â cutting the deficit, eliminating fraud and abuse, creating a leaner and more responsive government. But DOGEâs actions in the past two months donât seem to align with any of those goals.
Santi Ruiz is the senior editor at the Institute for Progress and the author and host of the âStatecraftâ podcast and newsletter. Heâs to my right politically and had higher hopes, at first, about DOGEâs efforts, but heâs now grappling with the reality of what itâs actually doing.
This episode contains strong language.
Mentioned:
â50 Thoughts on DOGEâ by SantĂ Ruiz
âHow to Defend Presidential Authorityâ by SantĂ Ruiz
âThe Anti-D.E.I. Crusader Who Wants to Dismantle the Department of Educationâ by Ross Douthat
Book Recommendations:
Stalinâs War by Sean McMeekin
Back from the Brink by Peter Moskos
Power And Responsibility by Romano Guardini
Thoughts? Guest suggestions? Email us at [email protected].
You can find transcripts (posted midday) and more episodes of âThe Ezra Klein Showâ at nytimes.com/ezra-klein-podcast. Book recommendations from all our guests are listed at https://www.nytimes.com/article/ezra-klein-show-book-recs.
This episode of âThe Ezra Klein Showâ was produced by Rollin Hu. Fact-checking by Michelle Harris with Mary Marge Locker and Kate Sinclair. Mixing by Isaac Jones, with Efim Shapiro and Aman Sahota. Our executive producer is Claire Gordon. The showâs production team also includes Elias Isquith, Kristin Lin and Jack McCordick. Original music by Pat McCusker. Audience strategy by Kristina Samulewski and Shannon Busta. The executive producer of New York Times Opinion Audio is Annie-Rose Strasser. Special thanks to Switch and Board Podcast Studio, Ryan Bourne, Rohan Grey, Don Moynihan, Quinn Slobodian and Jennifer Pahlka.
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To mark the release of our new book âAbundance,â my co-author Derek Thompson had me on his podcast, âPlain English,â to talk about it. Weâre on book tour right now, so weâre doing a lot of talking about this book. But this conversation is different. Itâs just Derek and me, and we get into the story of how the book came together, and all the people and ideas that influenced us â a kind of intellectual history of the abundance agenda. And I thought the audience of this show might find this interesting too.
This episode of âPlain Englishâ was recorded on March 11.
Mentioned:
âAbundanceâ by Ezra Klein and Derek Thompson
âAbundanceâ book tour
âThe Political Fight of the Centuryâ by Derek Thompson
âThe Economic Mistake the Left Is Finally Confrontingâ by Ezra Klein
This episode contains strong language.
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After the last election, there were all kinds of theories about where Democrats went wrong. But now, four months later, we have a lot more data â and it tells a few clear stories.
David Shor is the head of data science at Blue Rose Research, a Democratic polling firm, which does an enormous amount of surveying of the electorate. A few weeks ago, Shor was walking me through a deck he made of key charts and numbers that explain the election results. And I thought this would be good to do in public. Because this is information that doesnât just help explain what went wrong for Democrats in 2024. Itâs a set of hard truths they need to keep in mind to mount a comeback in 2026 and 2028.
This episode is also a bit of an experiment. It works great in audio. But on YouTube, you can actually see the slides. So if youâre up for a video podcast, this is a good one to start with: https://www.youtube.com/@EzraKleinShow
This episode contains strong language.
Mentioned:
Blue Rose Research slide deck
"Donald Trump is the perfect 'moderate'" by Ezra Klein
Book Recommendations:
The Hollow Parties by Daniel Schlozman and Sam Rosenfeld
The Nature and Origins of Mass Opinion by John R. Zaller
The Victory Lab by Sasha Issenberg
Thoughts? Guest suggestions? Email us at [email protected].
You can find transcripts (posted midday) and more episodes of âThe Ezra Klein Showâ at nytimes.com/ezra-klein-podcast. Book recommendations from all our guests are listed at https://www.nytimes.com/article/ezra-klein-show-book-recs.
This episode of âThe Ezra Klein Showâ was produced by Jack McCordick. Fact-checking by Michelle Harris. Mixing by Isaac Jones, with Efim Shapiro and Aman Sahota. Our executive producer is Claire Gordon. The showâs production team also includes Rollin Hu, Elias Isquith and Kristin Lin. Original music by Pat McCusker and Aman Sahota. Audience strategy by Kristina Samulewski and Shannon Busta. The executive producer of New York Times Opinion Audio is Annie-Rose Strasser.
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Itâs hard to understand the economic logic of President Trumpâs tariffs. In our last episode, we tried, but with limited success. And that might be because the logic here isnât entirely economic at all.
So we wanted to spend an episode looking at Trumpâs economic policies through a wider lens.
Gillian Tett is a columnist at The Financial Times and a member of its editorial board. Sheâs also a trained anthropologist with a Ph.D. And she brings both perspectives into this conversation â exploring Trumpâs policies as economics, as well as power politics, patronage and cultural messaging â which I think makes the whole thing make a bit more sense.
Mentioned:
âA Userâs Guide to Restructuring the Global Trading Systemâ by Stephen Miran
Book Recommendations:
National Power and the Structure of Foreign Trade by Albert Hirschman
The Economic Consequences of the Peace by John Maynard Keynes
Debt by David Graeber
How to Think Like an Anthropologist by Matthew Engelke
Thoughts? Guest suggestions? Email us at [email protected].
You can find transcripts (posted midday) and more episodes of âThe Ezra Klein Showâ at nytimes.com/ezra-klein-podcast. Book recommendations from all our guests are listed at https://www.nytimes.com/article/ezra-klein-show-book-recs.
This episode of âThe Ezra Klein Showâ was produced by Rollin Hu. Fact-checking by Michelle Harris. Mixing by Isaac Jones, with Efim Shapiro and Aman Sahota. Our supervising editor is Claire Gordon. The showâs production team also includes Elias Isquith, Kristin Lin and Jack McCordick. Original music by Pat McCusker and Carole Sabouraud. Audience strategy by Kristina Samulewski and Shannon Busta. The executive producer of New York Times Opinion Audio is Annie-Rose Strasser. Special thanks to Pat McCusker.
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Wall Street thought Donald Trump was bluffing about his tariff plans. The stock market rallied after his election. But the reality has started setting in. Trump is doubling down on tariffs, even as he warned Americans that the economy may experience a âperiod of transition,â insisting this is just short-term pain.
So what exactly is Trumpâs theory here? And how much pain should we expect?
Answering those questions requires a bit of a tariffs primer. And the economist Kimberly Clausing kindly agreed to come on the show, walk through the basics, and help me make sense of what Trump is doing here. Clausing has modeled the possible costs and consequences of the tariffs Trump has proposed, and she breaks down how much you and I might end up paying. Clausing is a senior fellow at the Peterson Institute for International Economics, a professor at U.C.L.A. and the author of âOpen: The Progressive Case for Free Trade, Immigration, and Global Capital.â
This conversation contains strong language.
Note: This conversation was recorded on Wednesday, March 5.
Mentioned:
Weâre taping an âAsk Me Anythingâ episode soon. You can email me at [email protected] with a question. Please use the subject like âAMA.â Weâll consider any questions that are shared by the end of the day on Tuesday March 18.
âThe Real Reason President Trump Pushes Tariffsâ by Kimberly Clausing
Abundance by Ezra Klein and Derek Thompson
Abundance book tour
Book Recommendations:
The Undoing Project by Michael Lewis
Mountains Beyond Mountains by Tracy Kidder
The Worldly Philosophers by Robert L. Heilbroner
Thoughts? Guest suggestions? Email us at [email protected].
You can find transcripts (posted midday) and more episodes of âThe Ezra Klein Showâ at nytimes.com/ezra-klein-podcast. Book recommendations from all our guests are listed at https://www.nytimes.com/article/ezra-klein-show-book-recs.
This episode of âThe Ezra Klein Showâ was produced by Rollin Hu. Fact-checking by Michelle Harris. Mixing by Isaac Jones, with Efim Shapiro and Aman Sahota. Our supervising editor is Claire Gordon. The showâs production team also includes Elias Isquith, Kristin Lin and Jack McCordick. Original music by Pat McCusker. Audience strategy by Kristina Samulewski and Shannon Busta. The executive producer of New York Times Opinion Audio is Annie-Rose Strasser. Special thanks to Pat McCusker.
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Right-wing populism thrives on scarcity. The answer is abundance. But a politics of abundance will work only if Democrats confront where their approach has failed.
This audio essay is adapted from my forthcoming book, âAbundance,â which I wrote with Derek Thompson. You can preorder it here. And learn more about our book tour here.
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The economy has started blinking red. President Trumpâs tariffs have been roiling markets. Consumer sentiment was already down. G.D.P. forecasts are predicting slower growth. And on Tuesday night Trump declared to Congress and the nation that things had never been better.
Something was different about this speech. The level of baldfaced lying. The way Republicans cheered along. How uncomfortable and uncertain Democrats seemed. It was as if, watching it all, you could feel something rupturing.
My editor, Aaron Retica, joins me to talk through Trumpâs fifth address to Congress.
This episode contains strong language.
Thoughts? Guest suggestions? Email us at [email protected].
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This episode of âThe Ezra Klein Showâ was produced by our supervising editor, Claire Gordon. Fact-checking by Michelle Harris. Mixing by Isaac Jones, with Aman Sahota. The showâs production team also includes Rollin Hu, Elias Isquith, Kristin Lin and Jack McCordick. Original music by Pat McCusker. Audience strategy by Kristina Samulewski and Shannon Busta. The executive producer of New York Times Opinion Audio is Annie-Rose Strasser.
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Artificial general intelligence â an A.I. system that can beat humans at almost any cognitive task â is arriving in just a couple of years. Thatâs what people tell me â people who work in A.I. labs, researchers who follow their work, former White House officials. A lot of these people have been calling me over the last couple of months trying to convey the urgency. This is coming during President Trumpâs term, they tell me. Weâre not ready.
One of the people who reached out to me was Ben Buchanan, the top adviser on A.I. in the Biden White House. And I thought it would be interesting to have him on the show for a couple reasons: Heâs not connected to an A.I. lab, and he was at the nerve center of policymaking on A.I. for years. So what does he see coming? What keeps him up at night? And what does he think the Trump administration needs to do to get ready for the AGI â or something like AGI â he believes is right on the horizon?
This episode contains strong language.
Mentioned:
âMachines of Loving Graceâ by Dario Amodei
âNinety-five theses on AIâ by Samuel Hammond
âWhat It Means to be Kind in a Cruel Worldâ by The Ezra Klein Show with George Saunders
Book recommendations:
The Structure of Scientific Revolutions by Thomas Kuhn
Rise of the Machines by Thomas Rid
A Swim in a Pond in the Rain by George Saunders
Thoughts? Guest suggestions? Email us at [email protected].
You can find transcripts (posted midday) and more episodes of âThe Ezra Klein Showâ at nytimes.com/ezra-klein-podcast. Book recommendations from all our guests are listed at https://www.nytimes.com/article/ezra-klein-show-book-recs.
This episode of âThe Ezra Klein Showâ was produced by Rollin Hu. Fact-checking by Michelle Harris, with Kate Sinclair and Mary Marge Locker. Mixing by Isaac Jones, with Efim Shapiro and Aman Sahota. Our supervising editor is Claire Gordon. The showâs production team also includes Elias Isquith, Kristin Lin and Jack McCordick. Original music by Pat McCusker. Audience strategy by Kristina Samulewski and Shannon Busta. The executive producer of New York Times Opinion Audio is Annie-Rose Strasser. Special thanks to Switch and Board Podcast Studio.
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If youâre looking for a single-sentence summation of the change in Americaâs foreign policy under Donald Trump, you could do worse than what Trump said on Wednesday:
âThe European Union was formed in order to screw the United States. Thatâs the purpose of it. And theyâve done a good job of it. But now Iâm president.â
Trump seems to loathe Americaâs traditional European allies even as he warms relations with Russia. Heâs threatened tariffs on Canada and Mexico while softening his rhetoric on China. And he seems fixated on the idea of territorial expansion â whether itâs the Panama Canal, Greenland or even Gaza.
There is a âTrump doctrineâ emerging here. Itâs one that could be glimpsed dimly in Trumpâs first term but is exploding to the fore in his second. What will it mean for the world? What will it mean for the United States?
Fareed Zakaria is the host of CNNâs âFareed Zakaria GPS,â a columnist for The Washington Post and the author of the best-selling âAge of Revolutions.â Heâs one of the clearest foreign policy thinkers around, and he doesnât disappoint here.
This episode contains strong language.
Mentioned:
âThe Rise of Illiberal Democracyâ by Fareed Zakaria
Book Recommendations:
The Jungle Grows Back by Robert Kagan
Diplomacy by Henry Kissinger
The Wise Men by Walter Isaacson and Evan Thomas
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This episode of âThe Ezra Klein Showâ was produced by Elias Isquith. Fact-checking by Michelle Harris, with Mary Marge Locker and Kate Sinclair. Mixing by Isaac Jones, with Aman Sahota. Our supervising editor is Claire Gordon. The showâs production team also includes Rollin Hu, Kristin Lin and Jack McCordick. Original music by Pat McCusker. Audience strategy by Kristina Samulewski and Shannon Busta. The executive producer of New York Times Opinion Audio is Annie-Rose Strasser.
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In 2016, when Donald Trump won the first time, a little-known book became an unexpected phenomenon. It was âThe Revolt of the Public,â self-published two years earlier by a former C.I.A. media analyst, Martin Gurri. Gurri, who is now a visiting research fellow at the Mercatus Center, argued that a revolution in how information flowed was driving political upheavals in country after country: The dynamics of modern media ecosystems naturally created distrust toward institutions and elites, and this was fueling waves of revolt against the status quo. The problem, though, was that though these dynamics could destroy existing political systems, they could not build enduring replacements.
Gurriâs book has been on my mind over the past year. In some ways, it explains 2024 better than it explains 2016. But time didnât just change Gurriâs book; it changed Gurri. After refusing to cast a ballot for president in 2016 and 2020, he voted for Donald Trump in 2024. And in his writing for The Free Press, The New York Post and elsewhere, heâs been arguing that Trumpâs second term might herald the mastery of this new informational world and the emergence of an enduring new political system.
I found myself more convinced by Gurriâs old theory than his new one. So I asked him on the show to talk about it.
(Also: If youâre interested in joining Ezra Klein on his book tour in March and April, you can see the stops and get tickets for the events here: https://www.simonandschuster.com/p/abundance-tour)
Book Recommendations:
Postjournalism and the Death of Newspapers by Andrey Mir.
Why Most Things Fail by Paul Ormerod
Not Born Yesterday by Hugo Mercier
Thoughts? Guest suggestions? Email us at [email protected].
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This episode of âThe Ezra Klein Showâ was produced by Jack McCordick. Fact-checking by Michelle Harris. Mixing by Isaac Jones, with Efim Shapiro and Aman Sahota. Our supervising editor is Claire Gordon. The showâs production team also includes Elias Isquith, Rollin Hu and Kristin Lin. Original music by Pat McCusker. Audience strategy by Kristina Samulewski and Shannon Busta. The executive producer of New York Times Opinion Audio is Annie-Rose Strasser. Special thanks to Switch and Board Podcast Studio.
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After the elections, I started asking congressional Democrats the same question: If the elections had gone the other way, if they had won a trifecta, what would be their first big bill? In almost every case, they said they didnât know. Thatâs a problem.
Democrats are in the opposition now. That means fighting the worst of what Trump is doing. But it also means providing an alternative. So one thing Iâm going to do this year is talk to Democrats who are trying to find that alternative â an agenda that meets the challenges of the moment, not just one carried from the past.
Representative Jake Auchincloss of Massachusetts is the first up to bat. We spoke in January, so we donât cover the latest Trump news. The conversation is really focused on his ideas, and he has a lot of interesting ones â about the abundance agenda, the attention economy and how Democrats should talk about policy during a second Trump term. I donât necessarily agree with every idea he offers, but heâs definitely wrestling with that question I posed to other Democrats: What is your alternative?
This episode contains strong language.
Mentioned:
âThe Problem With Everything-Bagel Liberalismâ by Ezra Klein
Book Recommendations:
âHow Mathematics Built the Modern Worldâ by Bo Malmberg and Hannes Malmberg
Radical Markets by Eric A. Posner and E. Glen Weyl
What Hath God Wrought by Daniel Walker Howe
Thoughts? Guest suggestions? Email us at [email protected].
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This episode of âThe Ezra Klein Showâ was produced by Rollin Hu. Fact-checking by Kate Sinclair and Mary Marge Locker. Mixing by Isaac Jones, with Efim Shapiro and Aman Sahota. Our supervising editor is Claire Gordon. The showâs production team also includes Elias Isquith, Kristin Lin and Jack McCordick. Original music by Pat McCusker. Audience strategy by Kristina Samulewski and Shannon Busta. The executive producer of New York Times Opinion Audio is Annie-Rose Strasser.
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What happens when ambition no longer checks ambition?
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This audio essay for âThe Ezra Klein Showâ was produced by our supervising editor, Claire Gordon. Fact-checking by Michelle Harris. Mixing by Efim Shapiro and Aman Sahota. The showâs production team also includes Rollin Hu, Elias Isquith, Kristin Lin and Jack McCordick. Original music by Pat McCusker. Audience strategy by Kristina Samulewski and Shannon Busta. The executive producer of New York Times Opinion Audio is Annie-Rose Strasser.
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