The Smell of Change

5 mrt · The NIL podcast

Hosts: Magdalena (Art Therapist in Training, Sustainability Scientist) and Brian (Jungian-Oriented Psychotherapist, Nightmare Specialist)

In this Season 1 premiere, Magdalena and Brian introduce The NIL Stream, sharing the motivations behind their fluid, Jungian-oriented exploration of art, healing, creativity, and consciousness. Together, they delve into how “the smell of change” can be sensed in small, often unseen shifts, whether it’s a fleeting smile in therapy or a subtle aroma that evokes memories and feelings. Drawing on Jungian concepts, art therapy, and sustainability science, they discuss the interplay between unconscious processes and conscious life, highlighting the importance of readiness and the power of spontaneously emerging creativity.

Key Topics & Talking Points

* Why “NIL Stream”?

* The idea of flow and emergence; a conversation that meanders organically, akin to the Nile River’s winding path.

* Embracing unexpected detours and spontaneous insights rather than rigid planning.

* Art, Beauty & Healing

* Beauty as a unifying, healing force that brings wholeness.

* Expression vs. Impression: How creating art (expression) and receiving art (impression) support emotional well-being.

* The Significance of Smell

* How the sense of smell ties powerfully to memory, emotion, and the unconscious.

* Smell as an intimate, embodied experience—molecules literally entering our bodies—and how it can hint at deeper psychological or emotional shifts.

* Nightmares, Dream Work & Trauma

* Brian’s approach to processing nightmares by “staying with” frightening dream content.

* The role of dreams in spontaneous healing and how, in the absence of “help” within a nightmare, one can consciously invite supportive figures or symbols.

* Readiness for Change

* Magdalena brings up the Batesonian concept of Aphanipoiesis (call it “Funny Voices”, if you don’t know how to pronouce that mouthful of a word).

* Aphanipoiesis is the process of an unseen, organic force coalescing “below the surface” to suddenly emerge as a new life form.

* Why readiness is vital for true transformation—both at personal and systemic levels (drawing from sustainability sciences).

* Persona, Authenticity & Social Context

* Balancing raw authenticity (the “amygdala response”) with empathy and care for others.

* How the persona can protect our vulnerable sides, and why it’s more about wearing it consciously than discarding it entirely.

* Community & Research Collaborations

* Magdalena and Brian’s open invitation for listeners to share dreams, images, or ideas relevant to analytical psychology and art therapy research.

* The aim to build an evidence-based approach to working with images in therapeutic and sustainability contexts.

Memorable Quotes

* Magdalena: “There’s something about art that’s both healing and awe-inspiring—even if it’s not conventionally ‘beautiful,’ it can unify what was once separate.”

* Brian: “Sometimes the tiniest sign—like a patient’s first faint smile—is all the signal we need that change is already brewing beneath the surface.”

Thanks for reading! Subscribe to follow season 1 of the NIL stream.

Practical Takeaways

* Watch for Small Indicators: Whether in personal growth or community settings, subtle shifts (like a new dream symbol or a barely noticeable smile) can herald deeper, unseen transformation.

* Embrace Spontaneity: Plan as needed, but leave room for organic, emergent processes—especially when engaging with art, dreams, or collaborative projects.

* Engage Multiple Senses: Explore how smell, touch, and other “less-recordable” senses might offer insight into emotional states and readiness for change.

* Mindful Use of the Persona: Recognize the mask you wear in social contexts, and experiment with conscious authenticity—sharing more of your inner self, but with empathy for others’ comfort zones.

Action Items

* Share Your Dream or Art: If you have a dream or artwork you feel relates to healing, transformation, or Jungian psychology, send it in to Magdalena and Brian.

* Research Collaboration: The hosts are looking for methods to analyze image content in therapy and sustainability contexts. Reach out if you have expertise or interest in these areas.

* Reflect on Your “Smell of Change”: Pay attention to daily micro-shifts—like a new scent or unusual moment of clarity—and consider journaling about what deeper transitions they might signify.

Resources & Links

* Join Our Collaborative NIL STREAM Glossary:We’ve created a collaborative glossary where we define and discuss Jungian terms, art therapy concepts, and sustainability science principles.

* Check it out [Link Here]Help us refine definitions, suggest new topics, or share insights gleaned from your own dream work or creative practice!

Join the Conversation

* Email or DM: Have a question, insight, or research tip? Let the hosts know!

* Spread the Word: If you enjoyed this episode, share it with friends or colleagues who love open-ended discussions about art, dreams, and psychology.

Next Episode Teaser

In the following episode, Magdalena and Brian continue exploring how creative expression and dream content intertwine—this time focusing on nightmares and the art of “finding helpers” within them. Stay tuned to see how they work with real listener submissions and dig deeper into Jungian practice!

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A Saturnian Approach to Healing
19 mrt· The NIL podcast
Hosts: Magdalena (Art Therapist in Training, Sustainability Scientist) and Brian (Jungian-Oriented Psychotherapist, Nightmare Specialist)
In Episode 2 of The NIL Stream, Magdalena and Brian explore the intricate landscape of nightmares, transformative healing, Jungian psychology, and the Saturn archetype. They dive deeply into therapeutic approaches to nightmares, emphasizing the significance of engaging directly with dream imagery and somatic experiences as potent avenues for healing. Drawing on personal and clinical anecdotes, they discuss how facing uncomfortable emotions head-on, balancing therapist humility and directiveness, and recognizing the autonomous process of individuation are integral to effective therapeutic practice. They conclude by contemplating resistance and flow within creativity and healing, guided by the stern wisdom of Saturnian energy.
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Key Topics & Talking Points
Nightmares as Doorways
* Brian’s therapeutic passion for nightmares, informed by his early experiences and work with trauma survivors, and how nightmares disrupt emotional and physical health.
* The necessity of engaging directly with nightmare content through somatic awareness and embodied experience rather than merely using sleep hygiene or medication.
Somatic Dream Work
* Magdalena and Brian emphasize embodied experiencing of dream symbols, such as snakes and turtles, highlighting the transformative power of "putting blood into dream images."
* Engaging deeply and personally with symbols to uncover individual meanings and insights.
Jungian Typology and Integration
* How Jung’s four psychological functions (Thinking, Feeling, Intuition, Sensing) play out in dream work and therapy.
* The importance of recognizing and integrating underutilized functions to achieve psychological balance.
The Role of Therapists: Lifeguards and Mirrors
* Magdalena's analogy of therapists as symbolic lifeguards—offering crucial support while maintaining patient autonomy.
* Brian's concept of therapists as mirrors, reflecting truths neutrally to empower client self-recognition and change.
Autonomous Self-Healing and Individuation
* The therapeutic stance of trusting the psyche's innate ability to heal autonomously through spontaneous symbolic processes.
* Case studies exemplify how patient-centered therapeutic surrender can lead to profound, unexpected healing outcomes.
Saturn Archetype: Discipline, Reality, and Wisdom
* Exploration of the Saturn archetype—representing clarity, discipline, and harsh yet fair truths—and its role in therapeutic and creative contexts.
* The impact of Saturn’s cycles on life transitions and the profound questions it raises at key life junctures (Saturn returns).
Resistance, Flow, and Creative Transformation
* Magdalena’s typology of resistance to creative flow, distinguishing productive resistance (guiding toward meaningful engagement) from unproductive resistance (indicating misalignment).
* Practical strategies for discerning resistance’s message, embracing necessary discomfort, and cultivating flow states in artistic practice.
Memorable Quotes
* Brian: "Nightmares represent a problem, but also potential solutions—symbols generated by the self, guiding us toward spontaneous healing."
* Magdalena: "Therapy isn’t about imposing the positive opposite onto difficult emotions, but rather seeing those emotions clearly, holding space, and allowing transformation to naturally occur."
* Brian: "Saturn isn't malefic per se—it's simply a force of truth. Whatever you bring, you get reflected back, fairly and clearly."
Practical Takeaways
* Engage Somatically: Experiment with becoming dream symbols somatically, giving vitality and embodied awareness to your inner images.
* Use Resistance Constructively: Observe your resistances in creative or therapeutic processes. Determine whether they are signposts to deeper truths or indicators to redirect your focus.
* Honor Patient Autonomy: Emphasize a balance of therapist humility and directive support—trusting the patient’s inner process while providing essential guidance.
Action Items
* Dream Exploration: Choose a recent dream symbol and experiment embodying it somatically. Notice sensations, emotions, and insights that emerge.
* Typology Check-in: Reflect on your dominant and weaker Jungian functions (Thinking, Feeling, Intuition, Sensing). Seek simple activities that develop underused functions.
* Saturn Reflection: Journal about a current life resistance or obstacle. Consider how Saturn’s lessons (clarity, discipline, acceptance of reality) might illuminate ways to move forward.
Resources & Links
* Collaborative NIL stream Glossary:Find terms we use in the podcast explained and participate in our collaborative glossary for definitions of Jungian terms, art therapy concepts, and sustainability science principles. [Link Here]
Join the Conversation
* Share Dreams & Art: DM or e-mail Magdalena and Brian with dream experiences or creative insights that resonate with healing and transformation.
* Feedback & Questions: Have thoughts about today's topics? DM or e-mail to contribute your voice to the evolving conversation.
Next Episode Teaser
In Episode 3, Magdalena and Brian will discuss the concept of Individuation, as termed by C.G. Jung. What does it mean to individuate? Where towards does the process lead, and what may guide the way? We will explore how Individuation connects to Jungian typology (as discussed in Episode 2), and to flow states and resistance. Join us for Episode 3 and be part of the adventure towards wholeness and an enchanted life.

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The Smell of Change
5 mrt· The NIL podcast
Hosts: Magdalena (Art Therapist in Training, Sustainability Scientist) and Brian (Jungian-Oriented Psychotherapist, Nightmare Specialist)
In this Season 1 premiere, Magdalena and Brian introduce The NIL Stream, sharing the motivations behind their fluid, Jungian-oriented exploration of art, healing, creativity, and consciousness. Together, they delve into how “the smell of change” can be sensed in small, often unseen shifts, whether it’s a fleeting smile in therapy or a subtle aroma that evokes memories and feelings. Drawing on Jungian concepts, art therapy, and sustainability science, they discuss the interplay between unconscious processes and conscious life, highlighting the importance of readiness and the power of spontaneously emerging creativity.
Key Topics & Talking Points
* Why “NIL Stream”?
* The idea of flow and emergence; a conversation that meanders organically, akin to the Nile River’s winding path.
* Embracing unexpected detours and spontaneous insights rather than rigid planning.
* Art, Beauty & Healing
* Beauty as a unifying, healing force that brings wholeness.
* Expression vs. Impression: How creating art (expression) and receiving art (impression) support emotional well-being.
* The Significance of Smell
* How the sense of smell ties powerfully to memory, emotion, and the unconscious.
* Smell as an intimate, embodied experience—molecules literally entering our bodies—and how it can hint at deeper psychological or emotional shifts.
* Nightmares, Dream Work & Trauma
* Brian’s approach to processing nightmares by “staying with” frightening dream content.
* The role of dreams in spontaneous healing and how, in the absence of “help” within a nightmare, one can consciously invite supportive figures or symbols.
* Readiness for Change
* Magdalena brings up the Batesonian concept of Aphanipoiesis (call it “Funny Voices”, if you don’t know how to pronouce that mouthful of a word).
* Aphanipoiesis is the process of an unseen, organic force coalescing “below the surface” to suddenly emerge as a new life form.
* Why readiness is vital for true transformation—both at personal and systemic levels (drawing from sustainability sciences).
* Persona, Authenticity & Social Context
* Balancing raw authenticity (the “amygdala response”) with empathy and care for others.
* How the persona can protect our vulnerable sides, and why it’s more about wearing it consciously than discarding it entirely.
* Community & Research Collaborations
* Magdalena and Brian’s open invitation for listeners to share dreams, images, or ideas relevant to analytical psychology and art therapy research.
* The aim to build an evidence-based approach to working with images in therapeutic and sustainability contexts.
Memorable Quotes
* Magdalena: “There’s something about art that’s both healing and awe-inspiring—even if it’s not conventionally ‘beautiful,’ it can unify what was once separate.”
* Brian: “Sometimes the tiniest sign—like a patient’s first faint smile—is all the signal we need that change is already brewing beneath the surface.”
Thanks for reading! Subscribe to follow season 1 of the NIL stream.
Practical Takeaways
* Watch for Small Indicators: Whether in personal growth or community settings, subtle shifts (like a new dream symbol or a barely noticeable smile) can herald deeper, unseen transformation.
* Embrace Spontaneity: Plan as needed, but leave room for organic, emergent processes—especially when engaging with art, dreams, or collaborative projects.
* Engage Multiple Senses: Explore how smell, touch, and other “less-recordable” senses might offer insight into emotional states and readiness for change.
* Mindful Use of the Persona: Recognize the mask you wear in social contexts, and experiment with conscious authenticity—sharing more of your inner self, but with empathy for others’ comfort zones.
Action Items
* Share Your Dream or Art: If you have a dream or artwork you feel relates to healing, transformation, or Jungian psychology, send it in to Magdalena and Brian.
* Research Collaboration: The hosts are looking for methods to analyze image content in therapy and sustainability contexts. Reach out if you have expertise or interest in these areas.
* Reflect on Your “Smell of Change”: Pay attention to daily micro-shifts—like a new scent or unusual moment of clarity—and consider journaling about what deeper transitions they might signify.
Resources & Links
* Join Our Collaborative NIL STREAM Glossary:We’ve created a collaborative glossary where we define and discuss Jungian terms, art therapy concepts, and sustainability science principles.
* Check it out [Link Here]Help us refine definitions, suggest new topics, or share insights gleaned from your own dream work or creative practice!
Join the Conversation
* Email or DM: Have a question, insight, or research tip? Let the hosts know!
* Spread the Word: If you enjoyed this episode, share it with friends or colleagues who love open-ended discussions about art, dreams, and psychology.
Next Episode Teaser
In the following episode, Magdalena and Brian continue exploring how creative expression and dream content intertwine—this time focusing on nightmares and the art of “finding helpers” within them. Stay tuned to see how they work with real listener submissions and dig deeper into Jungian practice!

Get full access to the NIL stream at nilstream.substack.com/subscribe
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