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What if thriving-not surviving - was your true purpose?
In this season finale of The World Beyond Resilient Podcast, Angela Philp and Carolyn Gibson share five powerful steps to move us from reacting to creating, and from independence to true connection. They dive into courage, curiosity, and joy as the keys to thriving in uncertain times. Tune in and discover a world that exists beyond resilience.
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Dr. Amina is a catalyst for transformation! With a background as a medical doctor and policy expert, she followed her calling into transformational coaching, specializing in careers and leadership. She guides high achievers and leaders who feel stuck in their successful careers, helping them find their way to greater fulfillment and freedom. Dr. Amina is also the author of "The Success Trap," a powerful guide to breaking free from unfulfilling work and designing a life of purpose.
Key Themes
From Reactivity to Freedom: This podcast dismantles the reactive paradigm of resilience, where we're constantly adapting to external pressures. Instead, Dr. Amina champions a proactive pursuit of freedom – the ability to respond to life with conscious intention and alignment.
Liberation as the Ultimate Goal: Dr. Amina reframes the conversation, shifting the focus from happiness or success to *liberation*. She argues that true fulfillment comes from freeing ourselves from limiting beliefs, emotional traps, and systems that stifle our potential.
Questioning Reality: The First Step to Freedom: Dr. Amina urges us to question the "realities" we take for granted – our identities, our jobs, the very structures of our society. This radical inquiry is the key to unlocking new possibilities and designing a life on our own terms.
The Geometry of Liberation: Dr. Amina introduces a powerful concept: "career geometry" (which can apply to life or business). This framework emphasizes interconnectedness, fluidity, and aligning with the natural flow of life, a stark contrast to the linear pursuit of goals.Conscious Energy and Presence: This podcast emphasizes the importance of managing our energy, cultivating self-awareness, and practicing presence. Dr. Amina highlights that true liberation requires understanding the interplay of our mind, body, and heart, and moving through the world with intention
Key Takeaways
True resilience is not about bouncing back; it's about liberating ourselves from limiting systems and beliefs.Freedom, not just happiness or success, is the key to a fulfilling life.Questioning our assumptions and perceived realities is essential for creating genuine change.Embracing a non-linear, interconnected approach to life and career leads to greater harmony and flow.Developing self-awareness, managing our energy, and cultivating presence are crucial for personal and professional liberation.References
Wise Wednesdays: Dr. Amina's newsletter, offering weekly insights and wisdom.The Success Trap: Dr. Amina's book, a guide to breaking free from outwardly successful, unfulfilling work.The Sanctuary: Dr. Amina's four-month mastermind program for professionals seeking career clarity and liberation.Byron Katie's "The Work": A method of self-inquiry that inspires Dr. Amina's approach to questioning beliefs.
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What if your actual power didn't come from control, but from presence?
When you walk into a meeting already in your head, replaying the last call, worrying about what others think - your power, your ability to influence and impact - drains out of you.
What can you do about that? Listen into today's podcast with Angela and Carolyn to find out!
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Most people think resilience is about grit - gritting your teeth and pushing through. But what if true power comes from going beyond resilience? Today, Dr. Orlena and Angela unpack the hidden saboteurs that keep you stuck, the mindset shift that turns struggle into joy, and how to finally create a life you don’t just survive — but love. If you’ve ever felt exhausted by being ‘resilient,’ this is the reset you need.
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What if the fear that’s holding you back isn’t even real? In today’s episode, Carolyn and Angela rip apart the lies fear feeds us, from social anxiety to that voice in your head telling you you’re not ready. We’re breaking down the shift from fear to love — a mindset change that could transform your leadership, your creativity, and your life. If you’ve ever felt stuck in the grip of anxiety, this conversation will set you free.
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Reverend Mutima Imani is a truth-teller, heart-healer, and master facilitator whose life’s work is to help humanity remember its wholeness. A visionary in the social justice space and a reverend grounded in deep spiritual wisdom, Mutima brings fierce compassion and clarity to everything she touches.
With decades of experience guiding transformation, she offers powerful 21st-century tools for both personal growth and collective liberation. A certified facilitator of The Work That Reconnects – the internationally respected framework developed by Joanna Macy - whether she’s leading a workshop, holding space in a circle, or speaking truth to power, Mutima shows up with one goal: to heal the heart of humanity.Key TakeawaysTo move beyond resilience, we must address the underlying issues of disconnection, learned powerlessness, and harmful societal programming. Reconnecting with ourselves, each other, and nature is essential for healing and creating a more joyful world. Shifting our language, thoughts, and focus from suffering to joy is crucial for personal and collective transformation. Forgiveness, self-compassion, and heart-centeredness are powerful tools for overcoming conflict and fostering connection. We must recognize our divine nature and interconnectedness, and act in alignment with this understanding.
List of ReferencesActive Hope by Joanna Macy The Gift of Fear (Gavin de Becker) The Promise of the Great Turning by Reverend Queen Mutima (forthcoming)
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What do an osteopath, a sociopath, and stress have in common? In this eye-opening conversation, Angela and Carolyn uncover how our bodies reveal hidden truths about stress, empathy, and leadership. From the surprising calm of sociopaths to the power of true self-alignment, this episode explores why relaxation isn’t indulgence—it’s essential. Tune in to discover how embodying ease and authenticity can transform the way you lead, connect, and move through life.
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Join us as Sabina Dewan, founder and executive director of the Just Jobs Network, a global research institute renowned for its cutting-edge work on job creation and workforce development, bravely shares her personal "origin story" of resilience, recalling a childhood surgery where she pushed herself to recover quickly out of fear and guilt to alleviate her parents' burden.
Sabina shows us how "struggle-based" resilience mostly results in insecurity, exhaustion, and transactional relationships, masking the true cost of constantly "proving your worth" rather than just being.
To move beyond resilience, means coming from a place of self-awareness, self-worth, care, and growth, rather than struggle and sacrifice. Letting go of external narratives and impossible standards frees up immense generative energy and creativity. For leaders, especially women, embracing self-compassion isn't indulgent; it actually fuels excellence and positive organizational culture.
Sabina beautifully emphasises that worth is intrinsic, not earned through endless doing or suffering. It's about recognizing the abundance, joy, and inherent creativity that exists everywhere, even in challenging circumstances, and choosing to lead and live from that place of authentic being, rather than perpetual struggle.
References
https://justjobsnetwork.org/
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Do you subscribe to the "no pain, no gain" mantra? In this podcast episode, Angela and Carolyn take a thoughtful look at what it is costing us, and offer a crucial mindset shift: from struggle to effort. It’s all about finding joy and effectiveness in what you do, rather than constantly battling uphill.
The key takeaway Angela and Carolyn emphasise is to question where you're struggling versus where you're putting in effort that uplifts you. If you're constantly fighting, it's a cue to re-evaluate your circumstances or your approach. Don't be afraid to ask: "Am I in the right place?" and "What validation am I really seeking?" Embracing regenerative effort means finding ways to thrive, collaborate, and experience joy, rather than sacrificing yourself. It's about making conscious choices that lead to a more fun, creative, and fulfilling way of being.
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This conversation is equal parts inspiring and incendiary for any midlife woman who's ever felt underestimated. Duckworth, the co-founder of Visible Inc., isn't just discussing resilience; she's igniting a movement to celebrate the seismic power of midlife women.
Introducing Jacquie Duckworth
With 30 years of experience in mainstream consumer media, working with iconic brands, Jacquie is a powerhouse of expertise. In 2019, she joined forces with Jane Evans to co-found Visible Inc., and together they’re on a mission to unleash the untapped potential of midlife women, challenge outdated perceptions, and create a world where their wisdom and experience are celebrated.
This podcast explodes the myth that women over 45 are past their prime. Duckworth shines a spotlight on their untapped superpowers: invaluable experience, resilience, and sheer brilliance, proving they're a force to be reckoned with in any industry. By shattering the ageism glass ceiling: Duckworth exposes how midlife women are often unfairly pushed out of the workplace. She's not just calling for change; she's providing concrete solutions to dismantle these discriminatory practices.
Duckworth notes three key points for women moving beyond resilience:
Embracing Our Worth: Duckworth instils in women a new resilience not just as bouncing back, but as an "enveloping cloak of reassurance" and an inner superpower that women can wield to overcome any challenge. Creativity as a Driving Force: women’s innate ability to innovate, adapt, and find solutions where others see only obstacles makes them indispensable in the workplace and beyond. Collaboration as the key to female power: the importance of community, shared wisdom, and lifting each other to achieve collective success.You’ll have your perceptions challenged and your spirit lifted as we delve into ageism, the magic of female collaboration, and the unstoppable force that's unleashed when women truly recognize their worth. Ready? This is; a call to rise, roar, and rewrite the rules!
References
Jacquie Duckworth https://www.linkedin.com/in/jacquie-duckworth-5a487b9/Song: Tubthumping by ChumbawambaVisible Inc.: An agency co-founded by Jacquie Duckworth and Jane Evans with a mission to unleash the power of midlife women. Visible Start: Visible Inc.'s returners program, designed to support women in re-entering the workforce. Visible Society: An online platform and community for midlife women to connect, communicate, and support each other.WPP: The world's largest advertising agency network, and exclusive sponsor of the Visible Start program.
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This chat dives into the fascinating world of resilience and anti-fragility, particularly through the lens of Nassim Nicholas Taleb's work.
We unravel how we define fragility, robustness, resilience, and anti-fragility, before giving a more expansive view of thriving beyond just "bouncing back."
We start first with a fragile teacup (it breaks, you can't fix it). You don't want to be that.
Then there's the robust metal teacup (it can take a beating but still dents). Ok - survival. Inevitable from time to time. But not what you'd call thriving over the long term
Resilience is like a polymer — it gets stretched but returns to its original shape. Not desirable either over the long time. There's no evolution.
The real star is anti-fragility, exemplified by... muscles!
Muscles get stressed, tear a little, and then grow back stronger! You develop new and renewed capacities under pressure, as long as it's the right amount of stress (no bench-pressing 500 kilos until you've worked up to it, right!!).
From there we move to "beyond resilience," which integrates these concepts and emphasizes our inherent creativity and optionality, like a river flowing around, through and over obstacles.
True growth isn't guaranteed by simply rebounding, overcoming or recovering from adversity; it's about using when you use adversity to become stronger and more capable. You are a creative, dynamic, evolving system that is beyond resilient.
Nassim Nicholas Taleb is the author of several books, including The Black Swan and Anti-Fragile.
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Get ready to be inspired by a truly remarkable woman! This episode of the World Beyond Resilience features Joanna Kerr, a dynamic force for social and environmental change. With an extraordinary 25-year career leading organizations like Greenpeace Canada and ActionAid International, and now launching NutHatch Leadership to mentor future change-makers, Joanna brings a wealth of experience and a fresh perspective on what it truly means to be beyond resilient.
Joanna shares how her childhood in Tanzania shaped her views on community and interdependence, challenging the often rigid, mechanistic view of organizations. She advocates for a "living systems" approach, where leadership is akin to nurturing a garden, focusing on interconnectedness and fostering growth. The conversation also sensitively touches upon navigating trauma, underscoring that our capacity to heal and transform is central to building true resilience, and highlights the vital role of community over material possessions for genuine security.Ultimately, this podcast powerfully reinforces that community is our lifeline and that going beyond resilience comes from interconnectedness, not coping alone.
By embracing vulnerability and fostering deep connections, we can move beyond outdated individualistic notions to collectively thrive.
Joanna shows us how!
https://www.linkedin.com/in/joanna-kerr-bb011b71/
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You're in for a treat with this episode of the World Beyond Resilience Podcast! Today Angela and Carolyn dive deep into a topic many of us grapple with: the shift from fierce independence to joyful, supportive and deeply relaxing interdependence.
If you've ever felt the crushing weight of trying to "do it all yourself" and worn it as a badge of honor, this podcast is a warm, relatable invitation to explore a different, more sustainable, even regenerative, path.
We show you how the ingrained narrative of self-reliance, while seemingly strong, can lead to isolation and burnout.
Carolyn shares a compelling personal story of finally realizing she couldn't manage everything alone, leading her family to step up and share the load. This wasn't a sign of weakness, but a catalyst for deeper connection, shared responsibility, and surprising new skills (like her sons becoming great chefs!).
We emphasise that this isn't about giving up all independence, but making it a conscious choice rather than a default burden.
The key takeaway is that true resilience and thriving come from interconnectedness and interdependence.
Asking for help isn't a burden; it's an opportunity for others to contribute, develop their own strengths, and experience the joy of supporting you.
We show you how shared effort not only lightens your load but fosters creativity, collaboration, and deeper, more meaningful relationships, ultimately moving you from just surviving to truly flourishing.
Give it a listen – your future self will thank you for letting others in!
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Laura Sullivan is a firestarter in the best possible way – sparking conversations, igniting change, and refusing to settle for the way things have always been. A seasoned leader in the NGO world, she’s cut her teeth at organisations pioneering change like ActionAid and We Move Europe, bringing courage and clarity to every space she enters.
Laura doesn’t just talk about change – she lives it. Whether she’s moderating climate justice panels in Brazil, facilitating dialogue in Brussels, or weaving together Indigenous wisdom and European policy, Laura’s mission is clear: dismantle the tired old systems that keep power locked in the hands of the few, and build something bolder, fairer, and more human.
She shows how coming together, connecting with our neighbors, and standing in fierce solidarity are the rocket fuel we need to launch ourselves into a future where we all rise together
So, what's the big takeaway? Resilience is about passively waiting it out and dealing with things the best we can. Beyond resilience is about actively reshaping our entire world. We've got the incredible power to dream up and then build completely new systems, not just tweak the old ones
References
Plum Village: A sanctuary of Buddhist activism, for cultivating resilience through meditation and community. https://plumvillage.org/J Game: Laura's daily resilience ritual: Journaling, Gratitude, Act of Kindness, Meditation, Exercise. Fearless Cities: A global movement where cities are daring to confront fear and build radically inclusive urban spaces. Emergence Strategy: A mind-blowing book that provides a blueprint for adaptive vision and turning dreams into reality. ActionAid: The NGO where Sullivan honed her skills in community-led development and became a champion for grassroots power. Reflective circles: A transformative approach inspired by Paulo Freire, designed to ignite community empowerment and political consciousnessLaura can be reached on LinkedIn
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Angela Philp and Carolyn Gibson totally get us excited about shifting from just assuming things to being genuinely curious. They dive into how we humans naturally pick up biases, which inevitably shrink our world, keep us stuck and definitely keep us from truly seeing others (and ourselves!)
But guess what? By getting curious enough to challenge those old mindsets – from what you're capable of or good at to the big global challenges like poverty – we open up a whole universe of fresh possibilities and find way better solutions.
We passionately advocate for curiosity. Developing the habit of asking new questions and embracing that "magical" feeling of discovering totally new perspectives, to open up everything - starting from the inside out
Get out there and practice curiosity! Seriously, it's a game-changer. When you start asking different questions, it's like a secret key that unlocks new actions and creates brand new realities for you, your relationships, and even your organisations.
Curiosity will change your life!
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Keetie Roelen is a globally recognized expert on poverty, particularly focusing on the lived experience of those in poverty. As the founder and host of the "Poverty Unpacked" platform, Keetie offers crucial perspectives on resilience, empowerment, and the systemic factors that influence poverty.
Keetie challenges the common definition of resilience, especially when applied to poverty, arguing that it's more than just "bouncing back" and must include a sense of security beyond just income.
She highlights how focusing solely on individual resilience can overshadow critical systemic issues like lack of employment and insufficient welfare. Her insights shed light on the substantial cognitive load faced by people in poverty – a frequently overlooked form of resilience – and she advocates for empowerment as a pathway for individuals to actively choose their own destinies and enhance their well-being, moving beyond restrictive scarcity narratives.
The key takeaways from her work emphasize that true resilience is not an isolated individual effort but is deeply rooted in community and social support.
Moving beyond merely surviving adversity requires empowerment coupled with the freedom to choose.
Keetie emphasises that addressing poverty necessitates a shift from individual blame to actively tackling systemic inequalities. Ultimately, cultivating empathy, moving past judgmental attitudes, and dismantling harmful narratives such as "no pain, no gain" are crucial steps toward building a more supportive, equitable, and humane society.
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In this World Beyond Resilience Podcast, Angela and Carolyn dive into the subtle but powerful difference between resignation to acceptance. The shift we need to make to transform not only how you deal with life's curveballs, but how you amplify and grow anything that's already working!
You'll find out how resignation masquerades as acceptance and how to distinguish the difference between the two to give you more freedom and choice.
If you're resigned, you'll always have a sense of "gritting your teeth" and pushing, defensively holding on to "that's just the way it is," or 'you're right and they're wrong' black and white ideas.
True acceptance is about bravely facing the whole truth of a situation, holding more of the complexity, processing emotions, and then freely moving forward.
Holding onto resentment or frustration - other telltale signs you're resigned - is "poisonous" and blocks creativity.
Acceptance will give you a moment of grace, like a flowing river, opening to fresh new possibility.
You'll also find out that accepting your limits isn't giving up; it's simply a process of identifying them so you can choose how to grow beyond them.
The biggest takeaway?
Don't confuse "I'll just have to accept it" with genuine acceptance!
True acceptance is a moment-by-moment practice of being with reality as it is, not as you think it should be or ideally wish it to be.
It's about letting go of control and allowing yourself to feel emotions like powerlessness without judgment.
This shift alone can unblock situations, improve interactions with others, and unleash your creative potential.
So next time you're facing a challenge, ask yourself: Am I resigning, or am I truly accepting?
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A deeply moving and illuminating conversation with Josianne Gauthier, a human rights lawyer and Secretary General of CIDSE, who invites us to explore the profound connection between grief, resilience, and finding light in the darkest of times.
Gauthier redefines resilience as a profound journey through grief, where acknowledging and processing pain becomes an "alchemy" for growth and transformation. She emphasizes that true strength comes from acceptance, embracing vulnerability, and recognizing our limitations, allowing us to regenerate and emerge from challenges fundamentally changed, with new wisdom and purpose.
At the core of her message is the idea of cultivating an inner "light"—a metaphor for hope and the human spirit's enduring power—and sharing it to create a ripple effect of positivity, giving us the capacity to strengthen our own resilience and foster meaningful connections within our communities.
Key Takeaways
Grief is not an obstacle to overcome, but a powerful catalyst for growth and transformation.Acceptance, vulnerability, and humility are essential components of true resilience.We emerge from challenges not as the same, but as stronger, wiser, and more compassionate individuals.Cultivating our inner light and sharing it with others is a powerful way to create hope and connection.Embracing interdependence and reciprocity strengthens our resilience and enriches our lives.References
CIDSE: The international family of Catholic social justice organizations where Gauthier serves as Secretary General. (www.cidse.org)Laudato Si: An encyclical letter by Pope Francis on integral ecology, which Josianne recommends for its wisdom and message of caring for our common home. Gathering Moss by Robin Wall Kimmerer: A book that contains the sentence "Life attracts life" which resonated deeply with Josianne
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In this episode of the World Beyond Resilience Podcast with Angela and Carolyn, we have zeroed into a topic that's often overlooked but is super important for individuals as much as for organisations: vision.
Forget the idea that having a vision is just for CEOs or Olympians. We talk about having a personal vision as a powerful current pulling you forward, helping you make powerful choices and joyfully say "no" to what doesn't serve you.
It's about crafting the experience you want to have in life, not just accumulating degrees because you think you're not enough or avoiding FOMO.
We emphasise that building your vision is an ongoing, evolving process, not coming up with a rigid, finished product. It's about setting aside time (even in 15 minute coffee breaks!) to reflect on what you want, refine it, and be pulled toward your most creative and fulfilling life.
So, what's the big takeaway?
Your personal vision is your secret ingredient in getting out of struggle mode and into a state of "generative effort."
You get to stop gritting your teeth and white knuckling through when you have something inspiring pulling you forward, allowing for more choice and less reaction to circumstances.
Start by asking yourself: "What experience do I want to have of my life?" And remember, your personal vision is a gift you give yourself – a fun, evolving journey of discovery.
If you want Angela's free 'Create your Vision worksheet' email her at [email protected]
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In this episode we are thrilled to chat with the phenomenal Cécile Biasio, COO of Airbus Protect.
Cécile is not just a leader in a male-dominated industry; she's a founding member of Women in Aerospace, a member of European Women on Boards, and the impulse and driving force behind Balance for Business at Airbus.
Her mission? To inspire everyone, especially women, to step into leadership with courage and authenticity.
Cécile redefines resilience as a joyful, collaborative journey driven by purpose, challenging the outdated "no pain, no gain" mentality.
Cécile doesn't just champion conscious choice and strategic self-awareness - she's living proof that no matter how busy you think you are - shifting from obligation to active selection in our daily lives can be done. Starting with micromoments.
Listen to find out how to create the micromoments of choice in your over full agenda!
As a COO, Cécile embodies authentic leadership, proving that bringing your whole, unique self – even a soft pink shirt in an engineering environment! – fosters trust and enhances performance.
She firmly advocates for gender diversity as a crucial business strategy, emphasising that varied perspectives lead to stronger teams and better navigation of uncertainty.
Key takeaways:
Embrace joy (even if it seems counter intuitive, and my goodness it feels counter intuitive in this world) and authenticityStrategically manage your energy building in micromoments of choicePractice deliberate engagement to build trust and safe spaces. Your clear vision acts as a compass through challenges - your distinct approach is vitalTo those in leadership: actively seek diverse voices, valuing what unique individuals bring to the team. For women leaders: invest in yourself and choose your authentic path forward. Women leaders, we need you!!! A collective shift towards more inclusive, high-performing systems will only happen by embracing choice, joy, and diverse perspectives over outdated narratives of struggle.
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