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You may be confused about the word âconsciousnessâ because it is used broadly to mean anything that has awareness of any kind â from a fungus to a dolphin to a human being. Unfortunately, this has been the way that we speak with each other about consciousness since Darwin came onto the scene. Consequently, as humans we do not know what our unique features of consciousness are nor how they are related to our emotional development and life. You may know the word âego,â but you probably do not know how it relates to your self-conscious emotions, like shame or guilt, or even that you have self-conscious emotions. In this podcast, you will find out precisely the meaning of how humans are conscious because you will hear a conversation with Dr. Michael Lewis, an expert on human consciousness.
The psychologist Dr. Michael Lewis from Rutgers University is famous for providing the exact test and the precise investigation of the birth of self-consciousness in humans. We are the only organism here on earth that is aware of its awareness in such a way that we abstract and theorize our own identities. Then, of course, we fight about them and get polarized. In this informative conversation, Dr. Lewis talks with Polly and Mike about the beginnings and developments of human consciousness. Dr. Lewis is the foremost researcher on the self-conscious or social emotions in the United States, having spent 65 years investigating them in his laboratory at Rutgers University.
Michael Lewis PhD is University Distinguished Professor of Pediatrics and Psychiatry and Director of the Institute for the Study of Child Development at the Rutgers University Robert Wood Johnson Medical School. He is also Professor of Psychology, Education, and Biomedical Engineering at Rutgers.
Dr. Lewis is a Fellow of the New York Academy of Sciences, the American Psychological Association, the American Association for the Advancement of Science, and the Japan Society for the Promotion of Science.
He is one of the most prominent social scientists in the United States and is a recipient of the Urie Bronfenbrenner Award for Lifetime Contribution to Developmental Psychology (American Psychological Association) and the Distinguished Scientific Contribution Award in Child Development from the Society for Research in Child Development.
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You may be confused about the word âconsciousnessâ because it is used broadly to mean anything that has awareness of any kind â from a fungus to a dolphin to a human being. Unfortunately, this has been the way that we speak with each other about consciousness since Darwin came onto the scene. Consequently, as humans we do not know what our unique features of consciousness are nor how they are related to our emotional development and life. You may know the word âego,â but you probably do not know how it relates to your self-conscious emotions, like shame or guilt, or even that you have self-conscious emotions. In this podcast, you will find out precisely the meaning of how humans are conscious because you will hear a conversation with Dr. Michael Lewis, an expert on human consciousness.
The psychologist Dr. Michael Lewis from Rutgers University is famous for providing the exact test and the precise investigation of the birth of self-consciousness in humans. We are the only organism here on earth that is aware of its awareness in such a way that we abstract and theorize our own identities. Then, of course, we fight about them and get polarized. In this informative conversation, Dr. Lewis talks with Polly and Mike about the beginnings and developments of human consciousness. Dr. Lewis is the foremost researcher on the self-conscious or social emotions in the United States, having spent 65 years investigating them in his laboratory at Rutgers University.
Michael Lewis PhD is University Distinguished Professor of Pediatrics and Psychiatry and Director of the Institute for the Study of Child Development at the Rutgers University Robert Wood Johnson Medical School. He is also Professor of Psychology, Education, and Biomedical Engineering at Rutgers.
Dr. Lewis is a Fellow of the New York Academy of Sciences, the American Psychological Association, the American Association for the Advancement of Science, and the Japan Society for the Promotion of Science.
He is one of the most prominent social scientists in the United States and is a recipient of the Urie Bronfenbrenner Award for Lifetime Contribution to Developmental Psychology (American Psychological Association) and the Distinguished Scientific Contribution Award in Child Development from the Society for Research in Child Development.
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Most spiritual practice, especially Zen, emphasizes a kind of engaged curiosity â remaining aware of the present moment. Why? What can we get from this kind of awareness that we cannot get from just enjoying a warm brownie? How can you drop your desire to control whatâs going on in yourself and around you and what might happen if you did? In this sometimes light-hearted and sometimes serious conversation, Mike, Polly and Barbara â who goes by the name Bobby â tumble onto some extraordinary topics. For example, consider the possibility that good and evil, light and dark, are held together by love, by one great big hug. Bobby had that experience. She considers Zen to be the most down-to-earth way to live, in the present moment, making the best of everything. Why doesnât everyone do it?
Barbara Rhodes, whose Buddhist title is Zen Master SoengHyang, is Zen Master of the Kwan Um School of Zen. In 1992, she received dharma transmission from Seung Sahn, an eminent Korean Zen Master. She is also a hospice nurse who has served in that role for many years.
Her new book Composting Our Karma: Turning Confusion into Lessons for Awakening Our Innate Wisdom came out with Shambhala Publications in 2024. It was edited by Elizabeth Goldstein, a psychologist and Zen student from Burlington, Vermont.
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Dr. Dean Rickles and Dr. Harald Atmanspacher have together developed a new philosophical model called âdual-aspect monism.â This contemporary philosophy of physics attempts to transcend the hegemony of materialism in responding to observer phenomena and other puzzles inherited from Quantum Theory. In this fascinating conversation, Polly and Mike talk with Dean about his own awakening, why his theory steps towards non-duality and how he imagines Quantum Theory can change the way we see our agency, responsibility and relationship to the world. This conversation ranges from Carl Jungâs theory of synchronicity to how music is like immaterial layers of consciousness and many more topics.
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Dr. Dean Rickles and Dr. Harald Atmanspacher have together developed a new philosophical model called âdual-aspect monism.â This contemporary philosophy of physics attempts to transcend the hegemony of materialism in responding to observer phenomena and other puzzles inherited from Quantum Theory. In this fascinating conversation, Polly and Mike talk with Dean about his own awakening, why his theory steps towards non-duality and how he imagines Quantum Theory can change the way we see our agency, responsibility and relationship to the world. This conversation ranges from Carl Jungâs theory of synchronicity to how music is like immaterial layers of consciousness and many more topics.
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In this fascinating and rare conversation, Polly and Mike speak with psychologist and Zen teacher Seth Segall PhD whose recent book The House We Live In: Virtue, Wisdom and Pluralism looks at three great philosophers â Aristotle, Buddha, and Confucius â in terms of how they teach virtues and wisdom. In a conversation about what is universal and timeless and what is specific and timely, Seth and Mike and Polly express divergent and overlapping opinions and views, while remaining curious about each otherâs stances. If you have ever wondered about whether the meaning of âenlightenmentâ transcends geography and cultures, this is a great episode to listen to.
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Polly and Mike talk with writer and speaker Terry Moore whose recent book Here.Now.One: A Practical Guide to Spiritual Life sheds light on ways to make spiritual practice an integrated part of everyday life and whose recent TED talk directs our attention to Oneness. In this conversation, Terry talks about the nature of awakening and the ways peoplesâ spiritual concerns and beliefs can become one-sided and empty of vitality. Terryâs created a model or map called âThe Unified Pathâ that assesses and instructs how individuals can engage body, mind, soul and heart in whatever practices they are currently doing. In speaking widely and deeply about the meaning of religion, God, and the search for Truth, Terry, Mike and Polly investigate the conundrum of language and how we talk about the ineffable.
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We need dialogue with others who think and feel differently from ourselves because we so easily deceive ourselves. Every project we develop, from science and technology, to art and culture, is a long conversation with others. In these activities, our self-protection and self-promotion, as well as our desire to defeat others, clouds our self-awareness, but we can correct that problem through dialogue. When we avoid conflict and difficult conversations, we cheat ourselves of expanding our self-awareness or knowledge. Even well-meaning people may avoid conflict and gossip behind the back of a family member, co-worker, or leader and in this way dismissing another person or another position. Conflict avoidance is often a step towards dehumanization. In this fascinating conversation, Mike and Polly talk about how conflict avoidance diminishes waking up.
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In this lively and exploratory conversation, Mike and Polly talk with Buddhist teacher and author Gaylon Ferguson, Ph.D. Dr. Ferguson has led group meditation retreats since 1976 in many settings, but especially in retreat centers. He is the author of Natural Wakefulness (on the four foundations of mindfulness) and Natural Bravery (on the path of fear and fearlessness). Do you imagine that something is missing in your life? Have you been searching for spiritual awakening or some kind of deep transformation? Mike, Polly and Gaylon speak frankly about what provokes a spiritual search and where it leads. Along the way, they draw on Gaylonâs new book Welcoming Beginnerâs Mind: Zen and Tibetan Buddhist Wisdom on Experienc ing Our True Nature. The book follows the famous ten Zen Ox Herding pictures and invites the reader to relax and welcome whatever is arising, moment-by-moment.
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How are awakening and adult development affected by widely different languages and cultures? Mike and Polly have a fascinating conversation with Bruce Knauft Ph.D, Professor of Anthropology at Emory University. He is a long-term friend of, and expert on, the Gebusi people of Papua, New Guinea, as well as a long-term practitioner of Tibetan Buddhism who has studied its roots in Mongolia and the Himalayas. Bruce was the first person to write down the language of Gebusi in the 1980s. Later, he began to practice Tibetan Buddhism and to become interested in enlightenment. In this conversation he looks back over his own experiences in understanding how language and narrative interact with awakening and development. Unique in delving into specifics on this topic, our conversation adds nuance and subtlety to the topic of context or environment as they influence human development, awakening and individual awareness.
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Bill Waldron PhD is professor of Religious Studies at Middlebury College where he teaches Indian religions, especially Buddhism. His recent book âMind Only: Why Yogachara Buddhism Mattersâ is an important contribution to clarifying non-dual awareness and a non-dual way of life: no âobjectâ called âworldâ and no âsubjectâ called âself.â Neither object, nor subject?? So, what is reality? Mike and Polly have a lively and clarifying conversation with Bill about what these Buddhist teachings from the third century and why they are important now that theoretical physics and psychology are finally catching up.
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Bill Waldron PhD is professor of Religious Studies at Middlebury College where he teaches Indian religions, especially Buddhism. His recent book âMind Only: Why Yogachara Buddhism Mattersâ is an important contribution to clarifying non-dual awareness and a non-dual way of life: no âobjectâ called âworldâ and no âsubjectâ called âself.â Neither object, nor subject?? So, what is reality? Mike and Polly have a lively and clarifying conversation with Bill about what these Buddhist teachings from the third century and why they are important now that theoretical physics and psychology are finally catching up.
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In this episode, Dr. Akomalafe warns against colonizing our minds in the ways of colonialism: assuming we know exactly what to do to bring our situation under control or that we know exactly who we are. In this wide-ranging extraordinary conversation with Bayo, Polly and Mike discover new ways of thinking about body, life/death, and belonging while also finding a missing piece of the identity puzzle that truly breaks open all harmful models of âI am this.â
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In this podcast, Polly and Mike have a fascinating and frank conversation with Dr. Bolte Taylor about awakening and brain functions, as well as about the role played by psychedelics in todayâs world. Jill raises concerns about the potential for brain injury and schizophrenia, especially in young adult users. She and Mike speak openly about the challenges and benefits of the widespread encouragement of using psychedelics for mental health in our current era in which many US states are debating the safety of making psychedelics widely available. In many ways, this conversation exemplifies the use of Real Dialogue as all three participants speak for themselves, listen mindfully to each other, and remain curious without necessarily agreeing on any or all points in this expansive exchange about awakening, the brain, and the social and psychological challenges and benefits of psychedelics on a large scale.There is no other conversation online that is quite like this one in its range, depth, and healthy disagreement.
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At the later stages of Ego Development, people naturally encounter self-evaluated standards in place of group norms and begin to feel intensive responsibility for their own achievements, self-respect and creative fulfillment. They no longer look to others for support or approval, even though they still long for it. Full-blown post-conformity gradually unfolds into coping with inner conflicts and ambivalence, respect for individuality in self and others, deep acceptanceof the unattainable, and cherishing of particularity and even irreconcilable differences.
These types of non-conformity include complex thoughts, ideals, and feelings about themultiplicity of different selves in human social contexts.Some of these features can by perceived through conformist (and even somewhat post-conformist) lenses asbeing impulsive, manipulative, or self-promoting. In this podcast, Mike and Polly talk about these and other paradoxes involving post-conformist adult development that can be mistaken as uncaring or âoff the wall.â At the âhighestâ stages of ego development, individuals often experience alienation and non-witnessing because there are few others who embrace the full wisdom of human awareness at later stages of development.
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You may believe that conformity means compliance or popularity. In this podcast, Polly and Mike talk about conformity (in terms of Loevingerâs Stage Development) as the need to feel identified with a group in which you comply with âthe rulesâ in order be accepted and approved of. Conformity naturally begins in the 6 â 12 year old human, but it might stick around for a lifetime because a person unknowingly subscribes to certain roles and personas, even if they seem ânon-conformistâ â like some kind of identity that seems rebellious but has its own rules. Yes, humans can conform to non-conformity!
Conformity is based on the conviction that group differences are real (more real than individual differences) and that people in groups are all alike. America markets conformity because it promotes products and media that are âjust amazingâ for everyone, as though we all want the same things.
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In Part 2, Mike and Polly engage with Ken Wilber, a prominent American theorist and writer in transpersonal psychology, in a deep dive into the intersections of psychedelics, spiritual awakening, Zen, and spiritual development with contemporary issues like war and 'woke' ideologies. They explore how these diverse areas tie into adult stage development, focusing particularly on the Mythic and Conformist stages. Wilber illuminates how individuals can inadvertently become ensnared in egocentrism or even narcissism during these stages, mistaking a sense of personal specialness for a recognition of their interconnectedness in a unified consciousness.
Ken Wilber is acclaimed for his integral theoryâa comprehensive four-quadrant grid designed to embrace all human knowledge and experiences. He is particularly renowned for integrating adult stage theory into a broader understanding of critical life processes: waking up, growing up, cleaning up, and showing up. This conversation promises to offer profound insights into the complex journey of human development and consciousness.
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In a candid and open discussion, Polly and Mike delve into a fascinating conversation with Ken Wilber, an acclaimed American theorist and writer. They explore the distinct concepts of âwaking upâ and âgrowing up,â unraveling why the latter is crucial in todayâs world. Ken Wilber, renowned for his integral theory â a comprehensive four-quadrant grid aiming to encapsulate all human knowledge and experiences â brings a unique perspective to this dialogue. He is particularly celebrated for his work integrating adult stage theory into a broader understanding of key life processes: waking up, growing up, cleaning up, and showing up.
Amid the recent resignation of Dr. Claudine Gay as President of Harvard University, Polly, Mike, and Ken engage in a reflective discussion on the current state of freedom of expression and the complexity of thought within the realms of liberal and progressive politics in the US. They examine the nature of adult development, emphasizing the significance of self-awareness in avoiding the pitfalls of binary thinking and rigid beliefs. This conversation sheds light on how our personal growth can be hindered when we find ourselves entrenched in 'all-or-nothing' mindsets.
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Mike and Polly spend some time reviewing what they learned and what they are thinking about in relation to their podcasts #11 and #12. What are the implications for new developments in Conscious Realism? Because Conscious Realism brings human subjectivity into the forefront of what we take to be the âworld out there,â it shares a lot with Real Dialogue. Where do they overlap? Where might they depart from each other? Join us in trying to understand how human consciousness grows and develops through âan interactive network of conscious agents.â
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In his current scientific investigations, Donald Hoffman proposes that the fundamental building blocks of reality are not particles or atoms but conscious entities. He also advocates for a radical shift in our understanding of evolution, suggesting it has shaped our perception to prioritize survival rather than truth. This thought-provoking perspective challenges our beliefs about reality and the nature of consciousness itself
What do you believe about consciousness? Do you think it âcomes from your brainâ? Perhaps youâre aware that there is no scientific evidence that consciousness arises from a material source, like a brain. In this podcast, Polly and Mike dive into a complex conversation with scientist and seeker Donald Hoffman who is an American cognitive scientist and psychologist, as well as a popular science writer. He is a professor of Cognitive Sciences, Philosophy and Computer Science at the University of California, Irvine.
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