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    Presented By: Yellowstone Teton Territory

    Today on Traveled, Steve Hyde of the Hyde Drift Boats family and Eagle Ridge Ranch manager shares his best tips for fly fishing Sheridan Lake and exploring nearby Spring Creek. Find out how to make the most of summer and winter activities in these areas.

    Plus, hear about how Steve and his dad founded Hyde Drift Boats in their garage and the innovations that set their boats apart.

    Show Notes with Steve Hyde on Fly Fishing Sheridan Lake

    02:23 - We start off talking about how things are going at Eagle Ridge Ranch during this "in-between" season. Steve says they do a lot of ice fishing and managing cabins for rent year-round. We also talk about big game hunting opportunities at Eagle Ridge Ranch.

    5:17 - Sheridan Lake is located in a remote area between Kilgore and Island Park, surrounded by private and public lands. The lake benefits from powerful springs, which help maintain the temperature and support aquatic life. Steve says grizzly encounters are common in the area, which adds a bit of excitement.

    07:47 - The owner of Eagle Ridge Ranch is Frank VanderSloot, the founder of Melaleuca. There are 12 cabins on the ranch that can sleep anywhere from 2 to 20 people.

    Fishing at the Eagle Ridge Ranch

    9:42 - There are seven miles of Spring Creek and the lake to fish. You can find rainbow trout, Snake River cutthroat trout, and brook trout in the lake. Native chubfish are also in the system, though they're not highly regarded.

    10:40 - Steve says they only allow up to 12 people daily to ensure a positive visitor experience. Groups of up to 20 can sometimes be accommodated, but they try not to mix groups to keep the area peaceful.

    Watch this YouTube video about Eagle Ridge Ranch
    : https://youtu.be/Z05KwQqWb5U?si=L6LKG2AZ3X9Pjbos

    Hyde Drift Boats

    14:15 - We dive into how Steve and his dad started making driftboats in their garage back in the early '80s. What began as a hobby turned into Hyde Drift Boats. Steve talks about how the boat design evolved over the years.

    19:36 - Steve is the director of Wildlife Management for all of Frank's properties in Idaho, Montana, Wyoming, and Utah. He also works closely with local fish and game agencies to maintain the land and support wildlife in the area.

    Other Activities at Eagle Ridge Ranch

    24:36 - The Eagle Ridge Ranch is great for year-round outdoor activities. People can enjoy fishing, hunting, ATV riding in summer, and snowmobiling in winter. There’s also a lava bed system called Craters of the Moon just south of the ranch.

    Fly Fishing at Sheridan Lake: What You Need to Know

    28:45 - Sheridan Lake is a fly-fishing-only, catch-and-release spot. The peak season runs from May to October, but you can still find spots throughout the year. Steve says the lake has all kinds of hatches throughout the year.

    3:15 - Steve talks about the lakes and rivers around Eagle Ridge Ranch. The main lakes are Island Park Reservoir and Henry's Lake, but there are also many rivers in the area.

    Eagle Ridge Ranch offers a premium fishing experience at Sheridan Lake. Watch this video to learn more:

    https://youtu.be/wAsF86xnK2E?si=YkzFY7k5G3ahWwJp

    45:43 - Here are some things to consider before your trip:

    Pack for all weather conditions: A sudden rainstorm can drop temperatures quickly, so you better be prepared.

    Safety first: Let someone know where you're going or have someone with you.

    Gear up right: Bring a 5 to 7-weight rod. Use the biggest tippet you can (4X), but switch to 5X if the fish get picky.


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    Presented By: Jackson Hole Fly Company

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    In today's episode of In the Bucket Podcast, we're joined by spey casting legends Simon Gawesworth and Dean River guide Adrienne Comeau. They’ll share stories, tips, and techniques for hooking these chrome torpedoes and mastering your cast along the way. It’s fish, flies, and a whole lot of fun – stick around! It's time to get in the bucket...

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    Presented by: Togiak River Lodge

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    Chris Childs shares his insights on fishing for king salmon at the Togiak River. Discover the thrill of targeting Chinook, steelhead, and Atlantic salmon. Chris offers tips on swinging flies and adapting techniques to changing tides.

    Learn about Alaska's top king salmon rivers and gain valuable advice for your fishing adventures. Whether you're a seasoned angler or a beginner, this episode is packed with inspiration and insider knowledge from the Alaskan wilderness. Tune in now!


    Episode Chapters with Chris Childs on Fishing for King Salmon in Alaska

    2:13 - Chris shares that he began using a two-handed rod about 15 years ago and has been guiding in Alaska for seven years. He initially got involved through a job opportunity in Southwest Alaska, attracted by the variety of fish species that could be targeted with a two-handed rod. Currently, Chris guides in Alaska from mid-June to the end of July and spends the rest of the year working on the Deschutes and John Day River back home.

    5:38 - Unlike the crowded Deschutes River, the John Day has limited access, although more spots are becoming available for bank anglers. Chris describes the logistics involved in fishing the river, including four or five-day overnight trips, which limit pressure due to the commitment required. For more information on fishing the John Day, Chris suggests contacting the Deschutes Angler or local ODFW biologist for advice on timing and access points.

    9:25 - We dive into fishing for Chinook salmon on the Togiak River, focusing on a program that uses two-handed spey rods. Chris provides details on the timing, structure, and operations of the fishing program.

    11:52 - We discuss fishing strategies for the Togiak and Kanektok rivers, highlighting the importance of timing with tides to catch fish, particularly king salmon, in southwest Alaska. Chris explains that fishing success is closely tied to the tides, as they determine when fish move through the bay. Anglers aim to be in the right spot as fish enter, often targeting areas where fish can rest before continuing upstream. These spots, resembling steelhead fishing locations, include soft inside waters and back channels where slower water meets the main river.

    14:18 - Chris talks about the logistics and fishing schedule for a fishing trip in Togiak. Travelers typically arrive in Anchorage the night before their trip begins to prepare and adjust for any jet lag, especially international clients. The first full day of fishing starts early, spanning four days.

    On changeover days, departing anglers leave as new ones arrive, with a seamless transition facilitated by powerboats and planes. Chris explains how tides influence fishing strategies, dictating where fishing starts based on water flow, with adjustments made throughout the day as tides change.

    18:10 - We ask Chris about the gear setup. He explains that they provide a gear rundown for clients ahead of time, allowing them to prepare or purchase necessary equipment. The clientele includes both seasoned travelers familiar with various types of fishing and newcomers to two-handed rod techniques.

    For Chinook fishing, Chris recommends a 14' 9wt rod for better castability, especially in larger pools. The standard setup includes a floating Skagit head with a 10 or 12-foot sink tip, and anglers are encouraged to bring two setups if possible. Chris also mentions using Airflo lines, particularly the F.I.S.T (Floating. Intermediate. Sink Three) and Skagit Scout.

    21:08 - We discuss the differences between fishing for steelhead and chinook using a two-handed rod. Chris notes that while there are similarities in technique, the primary differences lie in the type of water and casting angles. For chinook, he recommends casting at a broader angle to present the fly broadside and maintain tension, which is crucial for kings as they tend to strike early in the swing.

    24:08 - Chris explains that when king salmon grab the fly, the angler should feel a strong, unmistakable pull due to the tight line presentation. He emphasizes the importance of letting the fish dictate the next move after the grab, which typically involves holding on tight and allowing the fish to lead the initial part of the fight. Unlike steelhead, which may give a subtle bite, king salmon are more aggressive and will often grab the fly multiple times.

    28:01 - Chris talks about the differences in fishing habitats between the Togiak and Kanektok rivers. He says that while the Togiak does have large sweeping gravel bars similar to the Kanektok, it also features cut banks and deeper troughs where anglers fish differently. Unlike the gradual drop-offs of the Kanektok, the Togiak offers varied water types, including pools ideal for casting from cut banks, reminiscent of Atlantic salmon fishing.

    31:33 - Chris highlights that there are only a handful of notable rivers in Alaska for Chinook fishing. Other significant rivers in the area include the Naknek River, with a healthy salmon return, and the remote Sandy and Hoodoo rivers on the peninsulas, known for their exceptional fishing and beautiful landscapes. Chris also notes the Goodnews River as another excellent spot, although he hasn't personally fished there.

    33:11 - Chris emphasizes the importance of not fishing too deep, as this could result in missing opportunities if fish are not visible. He explains that warmer water temperatures allow for lighter setups since fish tend to be suspended in the middle water column rather than at the bottom.

    35:37 - We ask for his fly recommendations for Chinook fishing. Chris explains that the key to successfully catching Chinook is getting the fly in front of the fish at the right speed and depth. He typically uses flies around four inches long with bright colors like chartreuse, blue, white, and pink, which are effective. These flies often feature materials like marabou and angel hair for flash, and are equipped with medium or large dumbbell eyes. While larger flies and heavy sink tips were initially popular, Chris notes that smaller, moderately weighted flies can also be effective and more enjoyable to cast throughout the day.

    37:10 - Chris provides advice for new anglers preparing to cast with large rods in extensive river systems like the Togiak. He emphasizes the importance of staying relaxed, as both physical and mental demands are high. Chris suggests thinking of fishing as targeting a "river within a river," focusing only on the water where casting and fly presentation are feasible.

    40:06 - Chris emphasizes the significant difference in power and challenge between fish as they increase in size, particularly beyond the 20-pound mark. He highlights the importance of strategic boat positioning to be able to chase fish that make powerful runs out of the pool.

    42:38 - Chris explains that king salmon are powerful fish and during their initial run after being hooked, there's little that can be done to stop them. He advises maintaining tension on the line with a relatively tight drag, but not too tight as to cause issues like a bird's nest if the fish changes direction suddenly. Chris prefers starting with a looser drag and adjusting as needed, emphasizing the importance of allowing the fish to run while keeping control.

    45:23 - We talk about the drag settings for fishing steelhead compared to king salmon. Chris mentions that while some people use click and pawl reels for king salmon, he advises against it due to the risk of the reels failing. He recommends using disc drag reels.

    47:04 - Chris advises against the assumption that heavy setups are necessary for these king salmon. Instead, he suggests using principles similar to those for trout and steelhead fishing. The region offers forgiving wading conditions with small substrates, making it comfortable for anglers. Essential gear includes reliable rain apparel due to the proximity to the Bering Sea, where weather systems frequently change.

    48:57 - Chris talks about the Epic Waters program, which is primarily focused on Chinook fishing, led by Steve Morrow. Steve operates in Togiak, Alaska, and is passionate about fishing for Kings. While Steve mainly pursues steelhead in British Columbia, his enthusiasm for Chinook leads him to explore opportunities across the Western hemisphere.

    50:18 - We ask about his bucket list of fishing destinations. He aims to explore rivers in Norway, Sweden, and Iceland. He also expresses interest in fishing in South America to experience their chinook and steelhead.

    53:36 - We ask Chris for advice on improving spey casting skills, especially for fishing Atlantic Salmon, Steelhead, or Chinook. Chris recommends visiting a local fly shop for a casting lesson. He emphasizes the value of having experienced individuals assess and guide one's casting technique.

    54:42 - Chris shares his diverse music taste, mentioning his Spotify playlist which includes punk rock bands like Dead Kennedys and Misfits, as well as jazz artist John Coltrane and country singer Colter Wall. He also mentions listening to podcasts, including ours, and enjoys content from The MeatEater podcast due to his interest in hunting.

    56:02 - Chris discusses his hunting experiences and practices. He hunts various game throughout the year in central Oregon, including upland birds like pheasants, turkeys, and big game depending on the opportunities available through Oregon's lottery system.

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    Presented By: Skwala, TroutRoutes, Waters West, Heated Core

    What is the first thing you think of when I say the word Spey? Is it the cast, the flies, the rod, or is it something else? How about the Mickey Finn or the Starling and Purple? There are so many diverse ways to fish a fly, but today we're gonna blend some of the old with the new, some steelhead with the trout and some fly tying so you are better equipped to fish the fly and understand how to swing flies for all species.

    Marty Howard, co-author of Steelhead Fly Tying with Dec Hogan and an angler who's fished more steelhead rivers than most of us can imagine shares his swung fly journey. We're gonna dig into his new fly-tying book for trout that's coming out right around the corner, and we're gonna hear why he doesn't care if gear fishermen or sleds are going up and down the river before he swings his fly on that run. We get some tips on staying warm this winter. Marty also shares stories of fishing alongside Tiger Woods, other pro golfers, and his good friend Mark O'Meara. Another passionate steelhead angler and fly tyer in the podcast!

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    Presented by: Jackson Hole Fly Company, Yellowstone Teton Territory, Pescador on the Fly

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    In this episode, Phil is joined by Jason Randall, a renowned author and fly fishing expert, to explore the fascinating effects of environmental cycles on fish behavior.

    Have you ever wondered how changing weather conditions or the lunar cycle impact trout behavior and feeding patterns? This episode promises to unravel these mysteries, offering vital insights that could transform your on-the-water success. With Jason's extensive research and Phil's practical experience, listeners will gain a deeper understanding of how to adapt their fishing strategies in response to environmental changes.

    Whether you're a seasoned angler or new to the sport, this discussion is packed with valuable information and tips. Dive in to learn how to adjust your fly presentations and enhance your fishing experience, no matter what nature throws your way.


    Episode Chapters with Jason Randall and Phil Rowley on Fish Behavior

    10:30 - Phil and Jason discuss the impact of weather changes, specifically barometric pressure, on trout behavior in Stillwater environments. Phil notes how changes in pressure, temperature, and light seem to influence trout, comparing it to the effect of shaking a snow globe. Jason argues that trout are not significantly affected by barometric pressure changes as humans are.

    17:29 - Phil and Jason discuss the behavior of lake trout and other fish when brought up from deep waters. They explain how fish like trout have an air sac used for buoyancy control, similar to a scuba vest, allowing them to maintain neutral buoyancy. This differs from pressure-sensitive eardrums in humans. Some fish, like rockfish, suffer from barotrauma when rapidly brought to the surface, leading to their air sac protruding from their mouth. Phil mentions technology that helps fish equalize pressure when released back into the water.

    25:38 - Jason discusses how weather changes, particularly impending weather fronts, can be perceived through various natural cues beyond just barometric pressure. He describes how high-level clouds like cirrus clouds can indicate approaching weather changes, and changes in wind direction often mark the passage of a front. He notes that while temperature changes occur with cold fronts, the solar energy has a more significant impact on water temperatures.

    28:59 - Jason highlights the role of electrical activity, such as static electricity, observed during severe weather, and theorizes about the effects of ionization on mood and behavior. He explains that negative ions generally improve mood, while positive ions, often from pollutants, can lead to depression. He further speculates on the interaction between ionization and bioelectric fields in organisms, suggesting that fish might use these cues as an early warning system for weather changes. J

    33:53 - Phil and Jason explore the idea that certain fishing techniques, such as wrapping wire around hooks, might create bioelectric fields that affect fish behavior. Jason references research indicating that dissimilar metals on lures, like lead or tungsten, can generate a bioelectric field that potentially repels fish.

    37:02 - They discuss strategies for fishing when trout behavior changes due to weather conditions. Phil explains that during such times, trout often retreat to deeper areas and become less active, making it more challenging to catch them. He suggests slowing down tactics, using indicators, and triggering bites rather than relying solely on feeding responses.

    Jason agrees and adds that trout, like humans after a big meal, may enter a state of inactivity where they are not active in fast-moving waters. Instead, they seek safe, low-threat areas to rest. To catch trout in this condition, anglers may need to present lures enticingly to coax a response, similar to how someone might grab an easy snack when resting.

    43:49 - Jason discusses the concept of homeostasis, which refers to the natural balance that organisms and ecosystems strive to maintain. He further explains that homeostasis is essential from the cellular level to complex organisms and habitats. They also touch upon how environmental stressors, like weather changes and lunar phases, can disrupt this balance, prompting organisms to react in ways that restore homeostasis.

    49:44 - Phil delves into the effects of lunar phases on fish behavior and feeding patterns. Phil outlines the various lunar phases. He explains how the moon's gravitational force, which is 2.2 times greater than the sun's at the Earth's surface, influences tides and consequently affects fish and their food sources. This gravitational pull leads to tidal activities that are crucial for both saltwater anglers and the ecosystems they navigate.

    55:52 - Jason explains the difference between spring tides, associated with the new and full moons, and neap tides, associated with the first and third quarter moons.

    1:02:47 - They get into the role of the pineal gland in trout behavior, as highlighted in Jason's book "Trout Sense." They explore how the pineal gland, often referred to as the trout's "third eye," detects changes in light and affects trout behavior, including predator detection and circadian rhythms. The gland's influence on melatonin secretion is also discussed, impacting trout's rest and activity cycles, particularly during different moon phases.

    1:08:14 - They discuss fishing strategies during full moon periods. Phil mentions that many anglers avoid planning vacations around the full moon due to the increased visibility it provides, likening it to someone leaving the lights on. Jason prefers fishing three to four days after a full or new moon, experiencing optimal conditions up to 10-14 days later.

    1:13:33 - To summarize, Phil and Jason agree that adapting to environmental changes is crucial, suggesting strategies like slowing down and fishing deeper in lakes to effectively respond to natural phenomena.

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    Presented By: Jackson Hole Fly Company, Stonefly Nets, Yellowstone Teton Territory, On DeMark Lodge

    Today, we're covering everything about catching big smallmouth bass with James Hughes, head guide at Schultz Outfitters. James breaks down when to use smaller streamers versus the big five to eight-inch ones.

    We'll also learn the best times for swim flies, how to strip your fly for more success, and the two common mistakes most anglers make when chasing smallmouth bass.

    Plus, stick around until the end for details on getting a spot for our Smallmouth bass trip with Schultz Outfitters in July.

    Show Notes with James Hughes on Catching Big Smallmouth Bass

    2:05 - James started fly fishing when he was 11 or 12, watching fishing videos with his dad. Nobody in his family fly fished, so he taught himself to tie flies with a beginner kit. Back then, there was no YouTube, so he had to rely on books. Fast forward to when he was in college, he stumbled upon Mike Schultz’s fly shop.

    Check out our episode with Mike Schultz here.

    5:05 - We talk about Mike and the success of Schultz Outfitters.

    July Smallmouth Bass Trip

    08:52 - We chat about what to expect for the smallmouth bass trip in July. James says that by then, the fish will be out of their spawning phase and into their predictable summer habits. This means more consistent feeding throughout the day and easier fishing. You can also throw larger streamers if the water conditions are right.

    10:56 - James talks about how they adjust to different water conditions. They cover six rivers for their trips, which are all great for fishing.

    16:57 - I asked James how he prepares for the first day on the water with his clients. He usually checks in and sets up meeting details the night before.

    When choosing which river to fish, James says he considers client’s expectations more than their skill level. He usually starts with a middle-of-the-road river where they can catch various fish, then adjusts the next days based on how the first day goes.

    Finding Big Smallmouth Bass in Early Spring

    21:21 - James talks about the importance of water temperature and timing in catching big smallmouth bass. He checks the water temperature first thing in the morning and looks for warming trends to determine when the fish are most active.

    James says big fish like slow-moving water with a dark bottom. He also adds the importance of the sun when picking a spot to fish.

    31:00 - James says a good leech or sculpin pattern with some weight is a must in March. These flies are simple, easy to snack on for fish and they work great when fished at the right depth.

    34:00 - We talked about the best setups for streamer fishing. Here are some key tips:

    Stripping alone will not do the job. James says to strip set and sweep your rod in the opposite direction of the fish.

    Big fish often feel like logs at first. Watch for subtle rod pulses to confirm it’s a fish.

    Use lead-eyed flies matched to the river’s depth and flow for better control.

    Intermediate lines are the go-to for most situations.

    James uses the SA Titan Full Intermediate from March to May and October to March. In summer, he switches to clear tip intermediates or floating lines for smaller streamers.

    For leaders, he uses a 3-section leader at around 12 lb and 4.5 to 5 feet if the water’s super clear.

    The Fleein' Cray

    49:52 - We also talk about the process of creating the Fleein' Cray. James says it took 2.5 years to perfect the pattern. The idea is to create a fly that mimics how crayfish naturally dart away in straight lines.

    Check out this video of the Fleein' Cray:

    https://youtu.be/sjJJ834caRQ?si=fLJy6dm3tSHqNoJ8

    Bobbin' The Hood

    1:00:06 - James talks about Bobbin' The Hood, a cool event where fly tyers and fishing guides come together for a day of tying, learning, and hanging out. It's a great time to learn new techniques, ask questions, and meet fellow enthusiasts.

    1:04:34 - James talks about how people often misunderstand smallmouth bass behavior. One big mistake is thinking bass are always eager to attack anything, but they're actually picky about how fast or slow you fish.

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    Presented by: On DeMark Lodge, TroutRoutes, Jackson Hole Fly Company, Togiak River Lodge

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    In this episode, we journey to fly fishing southwest Washington with expert guide Jackson Golik. Known for its impressive steelhead and salmon populations, this region offers anglers a unique experience that rivals the more renowned rivers along the West Coast.

    Jackson takes us on an exploration of the famous steelhead rivers such as the Kalama, Cowlitz, and Lewis. Discover the charm of these waters and learn how to optimize your fishing trips by timing them precisely and avoiding the bustling crowds. Jackson also shares his insider tips for surface and subsurface steelhead techniques, alongside strategies for hooking coho salmon—often thought of as exclusive to Alaska.

    Tune in to gain a deeper understanding of the southwest Washington fly fishing scene and get ready to plan your next adventure in this often-overlooked fishing paradise.


    Episode Chapters with Jackson Golik on Fly Fishing Southwest Washington

    4:46 - Jackson shares how he got into fly fishing. He was born into the fly fishing world, as his father guided on the Bow River in Calgary. He became familiar with the industry early on and worked as a shop assistant at the Greased Line, a renowned fly shop in Vancouver, Washington. The Greased Line, which operated for about 42 years, is noted as one of the oldest fly shops in the Pacific Northwest, having started in the late 1970s.

    7:01 - He tells about that time when he was introduced to Simon Gawesworth, a significant figure in the fly fishing world. This connection led to an opportunity for Jackson to work as Simon's assistant for about six months at RIO, where he handled fly line box modifications and managed their social media.

    12:10 - We discuss fishing in Southwest Washington, focusing on popular rivers like the Cowlitz, Lewis, and Kalama. Jackson highlights the prolific hatchery fishery in the Kalama, but notes that rivers with more wild genetics offer opportunities for larger fish. We also touch on salmon fishing, particularly for silvers, coho, and spring chinook.

    15:25 - Jackson describes coho fishing as similar to bass fishing, using heavy sink tips and flies, with the fishing done from a boat near structures like wood. The season for coho starts in early September and typically lasts through October into early November, although it's dependent on rainfall.

    For chinook, the peak season is around Labor Day weekend, with the best fish being bright and high-quality. Jackson notes some rivers have late runs of Chinook, like the Lewis and Sandy rivers, which receive a small run of bright fish around late November to early December.

    21:16 - We explore the state of steelhead fishing in Southwest Washington compared to the Olympic Peninsula. Jackson notes that while the OP rivers have experienced closures, the Southwest Washington rivers have remained consistently open, though they receive less publicity.

    26:40 - We ask him about winter steelhead fishing in November and December. Jackson recommends focusing on rivers with consistent hatchery plants for better chances, specifically mentioning the Washougal River, known for its strong Skamania stock fish and challenging whitewater conditions.

    30:11 - In fishing the Washougal River during winter, Jackson mentions using heavy sink tips and typical winter flies such as leeches, with T-14 being a common choice for getting closer to the fish. Jackson notes that while the Washougal River also has good runs of summer fish, the approach varies, with summer steelhead sometimes eating dry flies.

    31:50 - We briefly talk about the impact of the 1980 Mount St. Helens eruption on the Toutle River system. Jackson shares that he wrote a paper in college about the logging that happens in the Toutle system, highlighting the management strategy of continually raising the dam to contain sediment.

    34:08 - We talk about the Cowlitz River, known for its heavy planting of hatchery steelhead, which makes it a prime location for fishing, especially if you're looking to take home fish to eat.

    36:23 - Jackson owns a 1979 fiberglass Avro boat and a smaller Aire puma boat, which is about 11.5 feet long. He appreciates the fiberglass boat for its quietness and durability, noting that it can be easily repaired and modified with fiberglass and epoxy.

    38:21 - We dig into steelhead fishing on the Kalama River during peak season, from mid-February to late April. He shares strategies for dealing with crowded conditions, such as knowing familiar faces and sections of the river preferred by frequent fishermen. Timing is crucial; sometimes it's better to fish later in the day when conditions improve.

    43:30 - Jackson mentions that the Kalama, Cowlitz, and Lewis rivers are accessible, with numerous put-ins and take-outs available, making them great fisheries. He highlights the Kalama River, which stretches about 60 to 70 miles and originates from an aquifer, offering a long drainage.

    45:19 - We discuss steelhead fishing in the region around Battle Ground, which is near the East Fork of the Lewis River, known for its historical record of large fish, specifically a 38-pound steelhead caught in the 1980s. Although the gene pool for such large fish has diminished, there are still opportunities to catch steelhead in the 20-pound range.

    47:40 - Jackson highlights the Cowlitz as the best for swinging flies due to its consistent fish population, akin to salmon fishing, where fish arrive reliably mid-February each year. However, it faces heavy fishing pressure, both from conventional and fly fishers, with a significant number of boats and guides present, given the river's substantial hatchery support.

    49:09 - Jackson mentions that the Lewis River has a program that supports natural spawning of wild steelhead, which has improved the run size over the past decade, attracting more anglers. Despite the predominance of wild fish, the presence of a few brood stock fish allows for some to be kept. The river is becoming busier with more anglers due to these improvements.

    The Kalama River, on the other hand, is known for drift boat and raft fishing, making it more competitive due to its smaller size. Anglers there often have to strategically time their fishing to avoid overcrowding and maximize their chances of catching fish. Jackson notes that the fishing dynamics in Southwest Washington are varied, with different runs and genetic variations of fish occurring throughout the year.

    51:17 - Jackson recommends several local clubs and shops as valuable sources of information. He mentions the Salmon Creek Fly Fishers and the Clark Skamania clubs, highlighting their extensive knowledge due to longstanding members. Additionally, he suggests the Portland Fly Shop as a prime resource, noting that most staff have guided in the area and have considerable expertise.

    52:38 - He shares his recent fishing experience on the Kanektok River, describing it as epic for Chinook fishing. We also talk about other notable locations for Chinook runs in Alaska, emphasizing the thrill of swinging flies for kings.

    55:54 - Jackson expresses interest in a trip to Sudan for fishing Giant Trevally and Triggerfish, although plans changed due to the war, opting instead for an opportunity in Alaska.

    58:24 - We ask Jackson for tips for a successful steelhead fishing. He emphasizes the importance of consistency in casting, advising beginners to focus on achieving a consistent casting distance and angle to increase their chances of success. He suggests that 40 feet of running line is typically sufficient. Consistency in fishing technique, rather than the number of fish caught, determines a good fishing day. He also recommends using longer leaders and heavier flies to ensure the fly sinks quickly.

    1:05:14 - We quickly ask about his music preference. Jackson uses Spotify to listen to indie rock, describing it as having a synth tone and a slower tempo.

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    Presented By: Grand Teton Fly Fishing

    Scott Smith, owner of Grand Teton Fly Fishing, takes us on a journey through the Yellowstone area. We’ll uncover tips for fishing the area's rivers, learn about pre-hatches, and hear Scott’s biggest tip for landing those tricky fish sipping bugs off the surface.

    Plus, Scott will also share stories about his mentor, Jack Dennis. This is going to be a good one!

    Show Notes with Scott Smith on Grand Teton Fly Fishing.

    02:03 - Scott grew up fishing creeks in North Georgia. Fly fishing for him came later when he picked up a rod at 12 at a garage sale and taught himself through magazines and VHS tapes. He eventually met Jack Dennis, who became his mentor.

    Check out our episode with Jack Dennis.

    Starting Grand Teton Fly Fishing

    05:52 - Scott moved to Jackson Hole in the late '90s. Over the years, he built a career, mentored new guides, and created a loyal client base. In 2011, he and Mark Fuller took over Jack Dennis' business and started Grand Teton Fly Fishing.

    11:55 - Scott tells us about the waters they guide in western Wyoming. They cover Yellowstone National Park's lakes to Grand Teton National Park's Snake River headwaters. Scott says they customize trips based on how long guests stay and what they want to do.

    Fishing in Jackson Hole

    15:41 - We hear about what fishing looks like throughout the year in Jackson Hole. Scott says they do a lot of drift boat fishing to cover large rivers like the Snake, but there’s still plenty of wade fishing when the conditions are right.

    March to October is the best fishing season, with good hatches and fewer crowds.
    Early March is great for dry fly fishing, especially with midges and blue-winged olives.
    The peak fishing season starts in mid-June and continues in July through September.
    Fishing in September and October

    23:20 - We talk about the fishing conditions in September and October. As the water cools down, the fishing gets better, with some great hatches like the Hecuba fly. Scott says this is also when the Jackson Hole One Fly event usually happens.

    28:09 - Scott says that the Snake River is both forgiving for new anglers and challenging for experts. The Snake River is home to the Snake River Fine-Spotted Cutthroat, a subspecies of the Yellowstone cutthroat.

    34:52 - Scott says that when he's guiding, he always looks for spots where fish are likely to be. The key is looking for subtle sips, usually signs of bigger fish feeding.

    40:10 - If you’re not seeing much action on the surface, Scott suggests switching to attractor patterns or terrestrials like beetles and ants. You can also add a dropper fly, but it might limit how close you can fish to the bank.

    Scott’s Top 8 Fly Patterns
    1. Small chubby (black, purple, tan)
    2. Small black foam flies
    3. Golden Stone Water Walker
    4. Parachute Adams
    5. Parachute Hare's Ears
    6. Mercer's Missing Link
    7. Callibaetis Flies
    8. Small streamers

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    Presented By: Jackson Hole Fly Company

    Has a Belize saltwater trip been on your bucket list, but felt a bit out of reach? Did you know it’s easier than you think to DIY Belize and pair it with a few guided days to maximize your experience? Today, we’re diving into everything you need to know for chasing Bonefish, Tarpon, and Permit on the fly.

    Chris Waters and Mary Alice Hoppe from the Iguana House are here to give us a behind-the-scenes look at their incredible beachside operation. We discover how reef fishing in Belize compares to other saltwater areas, what to consider when targeting Bones or Permit, and the best techniques for casting against the wind. Fishing, however, is just the beginning of this Belizean adventure. Let’s dig into everything this special destination has to offer!

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    Presented by: Yellowstone Teton Territory, Togens Fly Shop, On DeMark Lodge, Heated Core

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    Mark Melnyk, executive producer at The New Fly Fisher, takes us fly fishing in Chile which is renowned for its large trout and breathtaking landscapes. Mark shares invaluable insights and tips on how to plan an unforgettable fishing trip to this beautiful South American destination. We also pay tribute to Colin McKeown, the beloved former host of The New Fly Fisher, whose legacy continues to inspire anglers worldwide.

    Discover the allure of Chilean waters, learn about the fascinating cherry salmon that might just rival steelhead, and explore the legendary magic waters for giants. Whether you're an avid fly fisher or a curious traveler, this episode promises to enrich your understanding and passion for the sport. Tune in and let Mark Melnyk guide you through the secrets of catching big trout in Chile's pristine rivers.


    Episode Chapters with Mark Melnyk on Fly Fishing in Chile

    3:29 - Our chat started with the legacy of Colin McKeown, the founder of The New Fly Fisher television series. Colin, who recently passed away, had been struggling with health issues for several years. Mark shares his journey with him, starting 25 years ago when Colin pitched the idea for the educational fly fishing show. After layoffs in Canadian sports, Colin invited Mark to host episodes, demonstrating his generous and loyal nature.

    12:21 - Mark discusses collaborating with travel partners. He explains his approach of identifying which lodges need marketing assistance, especially as younger generations take over lodge operations. Mark offers to help these lodges market their businesses by hosting episodes at their locations. The lodges are only required to provide time and resources, with no financial cost involved. This model allows the lodges to benefit from increased exposure while the show explores their regions for several days.

    17:15 - We ask about his trip to Chile, specifically to a town called Balmaceda in Patagonia. Mark, along with Tom Rosenbauer, will target brown and rainbow trout in various water bodies. Mark highlights the unique fishing experience in Chile due to its low fishing pressure compared to other places, as well as the cultural and scenic aspects, such as the friendly locals and gauchos on horseback.

    20:53 - Mark highlights the three outfits of Magic Waters Patagonia, namely: Magic Waters Patagonia Lodge, Magic Waters River of Dreams, and Patagonia Baker River Lodge.

    24:26 - He walks us through traveling to Magic Waters Patagonia. Starting from Toronto, he takes a red-eye flight to San Diego, followed by a short layover, and then a connecting flight to Balmaceda. Upon arrival, the Magic Waters team picks them up, and it's about an hour's drive to the main lodge. Alternatively, reaching the Baker River Lodge takes about four hours through the mountains, offering views of General Carrera, Chile's largest lake, known for its exceptional fishing of big browns, rainbows, and cherry salmon.

    26:57 - Mark describes the first day on the water, explaining they fish with large terrestrial flies like chubby chernobyls and damsel flies, which attract brown trout that leap dramatically to catch them. He also mentions the unique challenge of fishing in a very narrow but deep spring creek, where fish strike quickly, and the windy conditions of Patagonia.

    29:02 - Mark will be hosting a trip to Chile on March 1st to 8th. He mentions that he still has spots available for this trip and plans to bring a cameraman to document the experience, showcasing what a hosted trip entails. This documentation aims to offer insight to those considering such trips, whether it's at Magic Waters or other destinations like Cuba or Belize.

    30:45 - Mark gives some valuable tips in fly fishing in Chile. He emphasizes the importance of listening to guides who are familiar with the fish behavior on local rivers. He advises anglers to "fish big," using large flies and robust presentations, as the environment is competitive and predatory. He also suggests bringing extra rods due to the remote location, while noting that the guides provide ample flies and exceptional support, including meals and entertainment like traditional Chilean music.

    34:29 - For more content and information on Magic Waters Patagonia, Mark recommends their YouTube channel @newflyfisher, featuring episodes from Magic Waters Patagonia Lodge, Baker River Lodge, and River of Dreams.

    36:51 - Mark shares some tips on traveling for fishing trips. He emphasizes the importance of being prepared for unexpected travel issues, such as mechanical problems or weather delays, and advises travelers to stay calm and adaptable. He recommends keeping essential fishing gear like rods and reels in carry-on luggage to avoid issues if checked luggage is lost. Mark also suggests planning extra days around a trip to explore the local culture and environment, enhancing the travel experience.

    40:40 - We get into the gear. Mark highlights the importance of bringing appropriate gear, such as floating lines, five and six weight rods for stream and lake fishing, and potentially a two-handed rod like a spey or switch rod for larger rivers with fast-moving water. He advises having reels with great drags due to the smart fish and strong currents.

    43:53 - Mark mentions some other stuff and gear to bring for a fly fishing trip in Chile. He emphasizes the importance of layering, starting with a merino wool base layer for its moisture-wicking properties, followed by insulation layers like jogging pants and a synthetic puffy jacket. Additionally, he highlights the necessity of a waterproof shell and backpack to store extra layers, ensuring they stay dry.

    Mark also discusses the intense sun exposure in Chile, advising the use of buffs, zinc sunscreen, and sun gloves to protect against sunburn, particularly under the chin and on the tops of hands.

    49:38 - Mark describes a standout dish featuring abalone prepared by Chef Angela at the River of Dreams Patagonia. He had never tried abalone before, which is not commonly available in Canada. He found the dish to be extraordinary, with the abalone being tender and flavorful, complemented by fantastic sauces.

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    Presented By: Waters West Fly Shop

    In this episode of In the Bucket Podcast, we sit down with three passionate fisheries biologists—Bob Hooton, John McMillan, and Brian Morrison—to talk all things steelhead. From the wild rivers of British Columbia to the Great Lakes and Washington’s rugged streams, these guys share fascinating stories, hard-won insights, and the challenges of balancing fishing with conservation. We dig into the evolution of catch-and-release fishing, the impact of angling pressure, and what it takes to protect steelhead for future generations. Whether you’re a steelhead guy or just curious about these incredible fish, this is a conversation you don’t want to miss! It's time to get in the bucket...

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    Presented By: Grand Teton Fly Fishing, Heated Core, Waters West, Angler's Coffee

    Today, we're surf fishing California, home to some of the toughest surf fishing spots in the country. Southern California also boasts one of the largest manmade bays and some of the best weather and fish species around.

    Tyler Vanosdell from Mission Bay Fly Fishing takes us from his roots on a cotton farm to becoming a San Diego fly fishing guide. Tyler shares the top three things you need to do before hitting the surf, the best apps to use, and essential tips for casting a full sink line.

    Plus, you’ll learn why the strip set is critical and how walking your line can make all the difference.

    Show Notes with Tyler Vanosdell on Surf Fishing California.

    02:10 - Growing up on a fifth-generation cotton farm in western Arizona, Tyler started fly fishing on the muddy Gila River, catching largemouth bass, catfish, and even carp before it became popular.

    03:42 - Tyler spent time in Montana, Utah, Colorado, and even traveled to Mexico and Costa Rica before landing in San Diego. It was a chance offer from a friend needing a roommate that brought him to San Diego, and he's been there for almost 18 years now.

    Surf Fishing California: Where to Begin?

    05:24 - The first thing Tyler teaches new surf anglers is understanding the conditions. The waves are constant in San Diego, so knowing how to read the waves, tides, and wind is key. Tyler also emphasizes showing beginners the right structure and how to use apps and gear.

    Must-Have Apps for Surf Fishing

    06:43 - Tyler recommends starting with free apps for tides and wind. For waves, he suggests paying for Surfline, which costs about $10 a month. The cool part? Surfline offers live video feeds of different beaches, letting you scout out fishing spots before heading out.

    Surf Fishing Species

    07:51 - Tyler talks about the top fish species to target in Southern California.

    Corbina - The most popular by far is corbina (or "beans"), which come into shallow waters in the summer to feed on sand crabs.
    Halibut - Tyler also loves fishing for halibut, especially the big ones. There are two types of halibut:
    Pacific halibut
    California halibut
    Croakers (like Yellowfin and Spotfin)
    Corvina - a toothy fish similar to white sea bass.
    Ideal Fishing Conditions and Timing

    Tyler explains that fishing in San Diego is possible year-round, but winter is his favorite time. It gets crowded in summer, so Tyler tries to fish early to avoid the crowds.

    When it comes to conditions, he looks for low-energy waves, around zero to two feet. For tides, he prefers lower ones, especially around zero to two feet, which helps him find good structures for casting. He also likes light winds, ideally 3 to 5 knots, for a smooth experience.

    Tyler encourages anyone interested in surf fishing to give it a try. The conditions might be tough some days, but other times, it feels like everything just falls into place. He believes if he can do it, anyone can.

    Gear and Casting Tips for Surf Fishing

    18:57 - Tyler talks about the gear he uses for surf fishing. He usually takes one rod, sometimes two, with a backup just in case. He recommends a full sinking line of around 250 grains to handle the strong surf and currents.

    He explains how casting with a heavy sinking line takes a bit of practice but it's all about letting the rod do the work. Tyler also suggests using a wider casting stroke and double hauling for distance. Start close, work your way out, and you might even catch fish right in front of you.

    24:18 - Tyler says low tide is the best time to spot fish-holding structures like rocks, holes, or steep beaches. These areas give fish a place to feed or wait for prey. Tyler also recommends checking out river mouths, which are great spots because they bring in brackish water full of baitfish that predators love.

    29:15 - Tyler sticks to a few key flies like the Clouser and Surfin' Merkin, which are great for catching fish in Southern California. He uses size four hooks with medium dumbbell eyes, and colors like red and white, chartreuse, or olive. Tyler also likes red flies because they're popular in the area.

    Chasing Corbina and Other Fish


    38:56 - Tyler talks about how fishing for corbina can be a mix of blind casting and sight fishing. Sometimes the fish are right at the water’s edge, and you can literally see their backs and tails. To catch them, you often have to wade out into the water depending on where the structure is.

    Mission Bay Fly Fishing

    44:11 - Mission Bay is the heart of fly fishing in San Diego. It’s the largest manmade aquatic park in the U.S., offering 34 miles of fishable shoreline. You can walk around, cast, and explore different areas, making it super accessible.

    One of the coolest things about fishing there is the spotted bay bass. It’s a unique species to the area, and you can catch them year-round. Tyler likes fishing at lower tides with an intermediate sinking line for better results.

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    Presented By: On DeMark Lodge

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    In this episode, we're joined by Craig DeMark of On DeMark Lodge to guide us through the intricacies of fly fishing the Missouri River. You'll discover expert tips on navigating downstream fishing, strategies for handling pressured waters, and the crucial elements of achieving the perfect drift.

    Whether you're a seasoned angler or new to the sport, Craig's insights will equip you with the knowledge to enhance your fishing experience on the Missouri River. Plus, you'll get his top casting tip and learn what to do when you hook that elusive trophy trout.

    Join us as we unravel the secrets of the Big Mo with Craig DeMark—your gateway to mastering the art of fly fishing in Montana's majestic waters.


    Episode Chapters with Craig DeMark on Fly Fishing the Missouri River

    3:02 - Craig shares his journey into fly fishing and the establishment of On DeMark Lodge. He taught himself to fish, starting with lakes and gradually moving to streams. Originally from the auto repair industry, he eventually transitioned to fly fishing.

    7:43 - We talk about the Missouri River. Craig explains that the river originates from the confluence of the Gallatin, Jefferson, and Madison rivers at Three Forks, located south of their area. He also notes that they fish on the stretch below the Holter Dam down to the town of Cascade, a 40-mile stretch known for its diversity and clear waters due to the reservoirs storing cold water.

    10:56 - Craig discusses their lodge, a small, family-run lodge located between Great Falls and Helena, Montana, providing convenient access to the Missouri River. They offer a personalized experience with Craig as a guide and his wife and son assisting in operations. The lodge provides easy access to fishing spots, with launch points within a 10 to 30-minute drive.

    13:57 - Their fishing trips span from April to October. Craig explains that although the season has ended, the favorable weather could have allowed fishing into November. April begins with variable weather, offering both sunny and cold, rainy days, but it features excellent fishing with minimal crowds. The fishing season wraps up with blue wing olives and October caddis. Craig highlights the abundance of dry fly fishing opportunities throughout the season, expressing gratitude for the rich fishing environment they enjoy.

    17:16 - Craig discusses fly fishing techniques on the Missouri River, emphasizing the excitement of tricos fishing, where timing and the right drift are crucial as fish rise to eat small flies like size 18s or 20s. He notes that while the river is known for technical fishing with small dry flies, there are also opportunities to use larger flies like hoppers in sizes 6 and 8 for a few months. Craig prefers using a single dry fly for a better drift but acknowledges that a dry dropper setup can be effective.

    19:14 - We get into the use of dry flies during a PMD (Pale Morning Dun) hatch. Craig explains that during such hatches, fish move to shallow gravel bars, sometimes in waters as shallow as a foot deep. Anglers often anchor on these bars, either wading or fishing from the boat. He notes that it's common to find a spot rich with fish and spend several hours there without needing to move much.

    21:03 - We talk about fishing for caddis flies, which are prevalent during the June to July summer period and continue into the fall with species like the tan caddis and big October caddis. Craig mentions they had a successful caddis season and describes different methods for fishing them, such as using corn fed caddis and X-caddis flies.

    22:46 - Craig advises that newcomers to the area should look for rising fish during hatch seasons, emphasizing that smaller rises often indicate larger fish. He also stresses that achieving a good drift is more crucial than the choice of fly pattern. To achieve a dead drift, he recommends positioning above the fish and utilizing a reach cast technique.

    25:18 - We ask his fishing setup, focusing on using 5wt rods for dry flies, with a preference for rods with softer tips. Craig explains they use 9 to 12-foot leaders ending in a five or even four-weight tippet to prevent fish from breaking off. He emphasizes the importance of balancing pressure when reeling in fish, advising anglers to let the fish run to avoid breaking the line. Craig mentions the advantage of being in a drift boat, which allows them to chase the fish downstream if necessary, ensuring a better chance of successfully landing it.

    28:09 - We dig into the best times and conditions for dry fly fishing. Craig highlights that the timing depends on what anglers want to experience. Trico hatches are challenging due to the number of rising fish, but the PMD hatch is considered easier, as early-season fish are less picky. For those who prefer not to use nymphs, August offers a great opportunity to fish single dry flies without worrying about weeds.

    31:09 - Craig walks us through their daily routine at their lodge.

    32:48 - We talk about the involvement of Craig's family in the lodge. Craig shares that both of his sons started fishing at a young age, initially using spinning rods before naturally progressing to fly fishing. His younger son developed a passion for fishing and began guiding at 18 or 19. The other son contributes on the technical side, helping with their website.

    34:49 - We discuss the pressure on the Missouri River. Craig explains that while the river does experience pressure, especially during busy times like June and July, its large size allows anglers to spread out, minimizing the impact of crowded conditions. Craig suggests strategies to avoid pressure, such as fishing at different times of the day or choosing less crowded stretches.

    42:43 - Craig emphasizes the importance of mastering the reach cast technique for successful dry fly fishing. He advises anglers to fish downstream to avoid spooking fish and ensure the fly drifts naturally, as drag can deter fish from biting.

    In the gear section, we discuss the advantages of skiff boats, particularly the ClackaCraft HeadHunter, for their lightweight design and ease of rowing in flat, swift-moving waters. Skiffs are praised for their low profile, which makes them easy to get in and out of, especially for older guests.

    47:01 - We ask Craig what his essential gear is for fishing trips. He emphasizes the importance of having a long-handled fish net, especially on the river, for effectively landing fish. He also mentions his Yeti gearbox, which is crucial for holding all his fishing essentials, such as fly boxes, tippet, and floatant.

    50:07 - Craig talks about the similarities and differences between the cities of Great Falls and Helena, Montana. Craig advises travelers to check flight rates to decide which airport to fly into, as both cities are equally accessible. He emphasizes the convenience of their lodge's location, being remote enough to avoid city life yet close enough for easy access to urban amenities.

    51:47 - Craig emphasizes that the Missouri River consistently meets the high expectations people have when fishing in Montana, offering memorable experiences each day, whether through the sight of fish, a missed opportunity, or a successful catch. He notes that the river provides numerous large fish, making it common to encounter 18-inch fish, which are considered significant in other locations.

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    Presented By: Jackson Hole Fly Company, Stonefly Nets, Togens Fly Shop, TroutRoutes

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    Would you like to fish for steelhead that are so fresh from the salt that they are blue in coloration and not even quite chrome yet How about traveling to a place where it's highly unlikely that you'll see another angler in a full week efficient? Today we're heading into southeast Alaska to find out how to spot and stock big steelhead on pristine Alaskan rivers...

    Rick Matney, Southeast Alaska steelhead guide, Montana guide, chef, and Alaska immersion program host is gonna share some insight on catching steelhead and some other big species in Alaska. Today we get his best tips on avoiding the crowds, his take on line development, and his experience with Tim Rajeff back in the day. He's going to teach us how to immerse yourself in Alaska and how to not die in an DIY fishing trip. Ocean fishing, salmon, trout, bear observing, cooking... it's all in one trip. Rick's gonna break it all down. So if you're ready to jump in and step into Southeast Alaska and find out how to survive, listen to this episode...

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    Presented By: On DeMark Lodge, Jackson Hole Fly Company, Heated Core, Angler's Coffee

    Rick Lee, Hawaiian fly fishing master and saltwater expert, is back on the podcast, and today, we're diving into the waters of Christmas Island and Hawaii.

    Rick’s got the scoop on where to find the biggest bonefish, and he’s sharing some tips on how to DIY your fly fishing trips across Hawaii. We also dive into the crazy world of triggerfish. Ever wonder why they’re called that?

    Plus, he’s got some wild stories about Captain Cook’s adventures (and how he met his end in Hawaii).

    Show Notes with Rick Lee on Christmas Island Fly Fishing.

    02:33 - We catch up with Rick Lee since our last chat in Episode 116. Rick is still guiding out of O‘ahu while raising his kids.

    We also discuss the challenges and progress of conserving Hawaii's coastal ecosystems. He said he's helping educate visitors about protecting the bonefish and other species.

    07:26 - We catch up with Rick about his time in Hawaii during the COVID-19 pandemic. He was in Christmas Island when things started to get serious and had a narrow escape, catching the last flight home before the island closed for nearly three years.

    He said tourism in Hawaii took a huge hit, but the silver lining was there was no traffic, no crowds, and empty surf spots.

    Fishing in Hawaii: What You Need to Know

    09:52 - Rick shares some helpful tips for those planning a trip to Hawaii. He said that while Hawaii isn't a top destination for fly fishing, it’s a great activity to add to your vacation, especially if you’re looking for a few hours of fishing before the family wakes up.

    Oahu has some of the world’s biggest bonefish, but with so many people and tourists, the fishing pressure is high. But Rick still recommends bringing your gear out for an adventure.

    Aside from bonefish, Rick says you can also fish for triggerfish and some varieties of goatfish.

    12:37 - Rick shares that Oahu has flats around the whole island, but winter can bring dangerous surf on the north and west shores, while the south shore gets more giant waves in the summer.

    For those looking for specific spots, Rick recommends contacting his team for personalized advice based on where you’re staying.

    Gear
    Rick suggests using a 7 or 8-weight rod, a floating fly line, and a tapered leader.
    For flies, crazy Charlie patterns in tan, brown, or orange work well, as do mantis shrimp patterns.

    17:28 - Rick talks about catching some really big bonefish in Hawaii, with some reaching over 30 inches! The average fish on their charters weighs around 5 pounds, but you can catch ones that are 7-10 pounds pretty often.

    22:53 - Rick explains that Hawaii’s warm water temps stay consistent all year, from the mid-seventies to low eighties. This means you can fish for bonefish pretty much any day of the year. However, late summer and fall can bring rainy weather and strong winds, making fishing tougher. But if you’re up for a challenge, the fishing is still great year-round.

    Casting in the Wind

    23:54 - Rick says the key is to slow down and keep your stroke smooth and powerful. He also recommends casting sidearms to help the fly cut through the wind more efficiently.

    When it comes to rods, it’s all about personal preference, but fast or medium-fast action rods work best for wind and saltwater fishing.

    As for fly lines, shorter, quicker shooting lines are great for windy days, while longer lines help with delicate casts when the conditions are better.

    27:25 - Rick says there used to be a fly shop called Nervous Waters in Hawaii, but it closed down when the owner retired. If you’re heading to Hawaii, you must bring everything you need.

    Fishing at Christmas Island

    36:40 - Rick shares about Christmas Island, a remote spot south of Hawaii, where you can fish in a beautiful 145-square-mile lagoon. It’s known for its incredible fishing variety, from bonefish and triggerfish to big tuna and sailfish.

    Triggerfish can grow up to 20 pounds and live in coral forts with special defenses. Rick talks about how tricky it is to catch them, but with the proper techniques, it’s one of the world's best places for trigger fishing.

    Rick explains that a Christmas Island day isn’t just about targeting one fish species. You could start with milkfish, which travel in huge schools, and then switch to offshore fishing for tuna or sailfish. After that, it’s back to the lagoon to target bonefish and triggerfish. And when you think it’s over, giant trevally might pop up.

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    In this Beginner 101 Fly Fishing Solo episode I share the Top 9 dry flies you need if you are just getting started.

    You can read the full blog post from Drifthook.com at the link above.

    Send me an email: [email protected] if you have any comments or feedback!

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    This episode is presented by TroutRoutes, not only the best mapping app to find the best water but also a company supporting important groups who are pushing for diversity on species and anglers!

    Sponsors: https://wetflyswing.com/troutroutes

    Heather Hodson, an avid spey fishing enthusiast and the founder of United Women on the Fly, shares her exciting initiatives with iFishiBelong.org. We delve into the significance of diversity among anglers, just as vital as the variety of native fish in our cherished streams. We also learn insights from a survey highlighting the role of women in fly fishing.

    Join us as we discuss the need for swift changes in the industry and explore upcoming events designed to engage and empower the community. Get ready for an inspiring conversation with someone as passionate and busy as me.


    Episode Chapters with Heather Hodson on iFishiBelong

    3:14 - Heather discusses the success and mission of United Women on the Fly, an initiative she has been involved with for eight years that aims to empower and connect women in the fishing community.

    She notes that while progress has been made, the push for broader industry change has been slow, which led to the creation of her new project, iFishiBelong. This initiative seeks to unite not just women but all people to foster collective change within the fishing industry and beyond, highlighting the need for inclusivity and collaboration to drive progress.

    5:45 - We dig into how they started iFishiBelong which aims to create an inclusive environment within the fishing community by advocating for diversity and unity. Heather also explains that while gender discussions are often easier to address, deeper conversations around ethnicity and sexual orientation can be more challenging. The organization aims to bridge these gaps by starting with gender parity and expanding to other areas of diversity.

    9:44 - We ask Heather about the evolution of inclusivity in fly fishing, particularly focusing on women's experiences in fly shops. She notes that there has been some progress in making fly shops more welcoming to women, but she emphasizes that change is slower than desired. A survey by United Women on the Fly revealed that while women feel more comfortable in these shops now compared to a decade ago, there's still significant room for improvement. Heather highlights practical steps fly shops can take to fix this.

    17:03 - Heather shares that in the current year, their organization successfully hosted four major events focused on inclusivity, both in terms of participant diversity and geographic accessibility. The events took place in New York, Montana, North Carolina, and Oregon. These efforts were supported by TroutRoutes, which sponsored scholarships to help attendees cover costs and hire guides.

    20:50 - She talks about the success of their event called Trout Fest held in Oregon and confirms plans to hold it again next year. This is a significant event for the local community, providing support and extensive educational opportunities, particularly in fly fishing techniques and entomology.

    24:34 - Heather discusses an initiative called "All Kids Fish" founded by Becca Sue Klein in Atlanta, Georgia. This program focuses on engaging young people, particularly girls initially, in the world of fishing and environmental conservation. A key aspect of the program is its diverse mentorship, ensuring that children see role models who reflect their own identities, whether they are queer, transgender, or come from various racial backgrounds.

    31:19 - We get into spey fishing.

    37:49 - Heather highlights the advantage of using the TroutRoutes app for camping and fishing. It helps her find campsites and navigate the complexities of public versus private land, particularly in regions with restrictive access laws like Colorado. She also mentions features such as gauge stations, which provide detailed water data, and the ability to mark private waypoints, safeguarding secret fishing spots.

    41:28 - She discusses one of their programs called Ubuntu Fly Anglers, co-founded by Bob Bartlett and Carl Crawford. This initiative focuses on advocating and supporting black and brown anglers to foster inclusivity outdoors. They recently held an event in Spokane called "We Are Here," which was impactful and highlighted the importance of representation for black and brown anglers.

    46:43 - Heather shares her admiration for Rick Hafele, whom she first met at an event in Spokane about 10 to 12 years ago. A self-proclaimed "bug nerd," she took extensive notes during his presentation on entomology. She finds the study of insects, particularly their changing prevalence due to factors like water temperature and sediment pollution, fascinating.

    48:00 - Heather also discusses the Spokane River's rich history as a prolific fishery, despite being impacted by dam constructions like the Grand Coulee Dam.

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    Presented By: Grand Teton Fly Fishing, Smitty's Fly Box, Jackson Hole Fly Company

    Curious how an 11-year-old girl managed to beat everyone and become the world fly casting champion? Chris Korich, legendary casting coach to top champions like Maxine McCormick, is here to reveal the secrets behind her success.

    You’ll hear Maxine’s full story, from winning her first titles at just 9, 10, and 11 years old to outcasting the best in the world.

    Chris also shares the number one thing every caster should know, along with tips on rod selection, essential gear, and the history of fly rods. Find out why some top pros still swear by 1970s graphite rods to dominate competitions today.

    Episode Chapters with Chris Korich on How to Become a Fly Casting Champion

    02:34 - Chris tells us about his childhood near the Golden Gate Angling and Casting Club in San Francisco. He spent his youth at the Oakland Casting Club, which opened its casting pools in 1958, just blocks from his home. By age eight, he had his first job helping people catch fish.

    06:21 - Chris shares how he and his brother stumbled onto their first fishing rod—a discarded, rusty push-button reel they found by chance. They fixed it up and started casting at the trout ponds.

    The experienced anglers noticed and stepped in to teach them how to cast properly. One of them was Tony Perry, who became Chris’s first coach.

    Coaching Maxine McCormick

    09:51 - Chris shares how he became Maxine McCormick’s coach. It all began when he got a call from Donna O’Sullivan, who saw Maxine at the Golden Gate Club. Maxine was only 9 when she started, and within a couple of lessons, she was already scoring casts like a pro.

    15:56 - In 2013, Maxine started training with her dad, Glenn, just a few months after meeting Chris. They jumped into tournament casting, and five months later, Maxine competed in the National Casting Championship.

    She outscored every woman in a national competition. By 11, Maxine was making headlines, beating everyone except Chris and Steve. At 12, she became the youngest world champion in the sport.

    30:06 - Chris explains that starting with a full-flex rod, like the ones from the old days, helps you feel the line better. He also talks about the benefits of shorter rods, especially for beginners or those fishing in windy conditions.

    40:49 - We chat about the best fly rods for beginners, especially for kids. Chris discusses how shorter, softer rods, like fiberglass or combination graphite-glass ones, work great for new casters.

    He shares a cool story where 22 women tried different rods, and everyone picked a short fiberglass rod as their favorite. It helps them feel the line better and roll cast more easily.

    54:10 - Chris shares a fun exercise with a butter knife to help listeners understand the importance of "feel" when fly casting.

    1:00:59 - Chris explains that while many anglers still use long rods, the trend is starting to shift. He compares it to skiing, where shorter skis became popular to help beginners learn, and then they went back to longer skis—only to eventually return to shorter ones again.

    Chris believes that shorter rods make fly fishing easier, especially for beginners, and encourages anglers to try them out.

    1:10:51 - Chris says there's no doubt that Steve Ray Jeff is the greatest fly caster in history.

    1:13:11 - Chris shares the impressive story of Maxine, who broke records at the world fly casting championships in Norway. Despite limited training, she scored 80 points in accuracy and won multiple gold medals.

    Maxine is also focused on finishing her biology degree while still finding time to fly fish and work at a fly shop.
    Show Notes: https://wetflyswing.com/678

  • Show Notes: https://wetflyswing.com/677

    Presented By: Yellowstone Teton Territory

    Sponsors: https://wetflyswing.com/teton

    Today, we explore Fly Fish Food Jimmy's, a top fly shop in the West, now under new management. Join us as we speak with Madison Losee, the new shop manager. She'll share tips for your next fly fishing trip, including ways to avoid crowds on the famous Henry's Fork and her preferred techniques over the dry dropper method in summer.

    Madison will also share stories, including a surprise visit from a celebrity. Whether you're heading to Idaho or looking to up your fishing game, this episode is filled with insights you won't want to miss!


    Episode Chapters with Madison Losee on Fly Fish Food Jimmy's

    2:17 - Madison explains that after a changeover, the fly shop significantly increased its inventory, especially in fly selection, now offering four times as many flies as before. This expansion was aimed at accommodating the needs of both local fly tying enthusiasts and visitors preparing for fishing trips.

    The shop is positioned as a central hub for anglers heading to famous fishing destinations such as the Henry's Fork and the South Fork of the Snake River, benefiting from its strategic location near major highways.

    4:01 - She discusses her background and experience leading up to her first managerial role at Fly Fish Food Jimmy's. She explains that while this is her first position as a manager, she has a strong retail background from high school and has grown up working for her family's drift boat company, giving her a long-standing connection to the fly fishing industry.

    6:47 - Madison talks about the experience of running a fly shop in Idaho Falls, which attracts both locals and tourists. Common questions from visitors include where to fish and what equipment to use. She also highlights the shop's proximity to prime fishing locations like Henry's Fork and South Fork, which are about 30 to 45 minutes away from town.

    10:45 - She describes the team at the fly shop. Madison has been with the shop since June of the previous year. She enjoys interacting with regular customers, learning from experienced fly fishers, and staying updated on new products and gear, which she finds both fun and educational.

    21:41 - We talk about Jimmy Gabettas, who was the owner of Jimmy's All Seasons Angler before it was bought by Fly Fish Food. Madison shares that Jimmy is enjoying his retirement by taking bucket list trips, including a recent one to Mongolia, and continues to engage in fishing and hunting. Despite retiring, he still visits the shop regularly to stock up on tying materials and shares his fishing experiences with the staff.

    15:04 - Madison mentions spending considerable time fishing in Wyoming and expresses particular enjoyment in fishing the Snake River through Jackson, indicating it's a favorite spot.

    17:02 - We talk about fishing in the Snake River area in western Wyoming, specifically through Grand Teton National Park and Jackson Hole. Madison explains that while having a boat allows for covering more water, it is not essential for fishing there, though caution is advised due to areas with strong whitewater currents.

    19:13 - We get into the best times to fish the South Fork of the Snake River. She mentions that although fishing is possible year-round, her favorite times are May and June during runoff, and especially July during the salmon fly hatch. She explains that this hatch is influenced by water temperatures and can be followed through different sections of the river, typically lasting a couple of weeks from the end of June to early July.

    20:24 - Madison shares her preference for using large dry flies rather than a dry dropper setup, highlighting her technique of casting close to overhanging trees and "twitching" the fly to attract fish. She emphasizes the importance of precision in casting, even at the risk of losing flies to tree branches, and describes the satisfaction of making a perfect cast.

    She also explains her method of twitching the fly by wiggling the rod tip to create movement, which she finds effective in attracting cutthroat trout on the South Fork.

    25:37 - She mentions the products available at the shop. Madison also recommends some gear to bring when you a plan a fishing trip to their area. When it comes to casting instruction, she mentions that due to the shop's downtown location, they don't offer in-person coaching.

    28:01 - I briefly share about my recent interview with Chris Korich, the coach of renowned fly caster Maxine McCormick. Chris shared insights on how Maxine began casting at the age of nine and quickly won championships, attributing part of her success to the type of rod used. Our episode with Chris will be released in November.

    30:46 - Madison describes the experience of visiting their fly shop, highlighting their extensive fly-tying materials section. The shop maintains its original structure, with enhancements for more inventory.

    35:48 - She highlights her top flies, mentioning the Chubbys as a must-have. She also mentions the "Pink Albert," which she describes as a fly with a pinkish hue, resembling a pink PMD or potentially a brown drake subspecies.

    37:07 - We delve into the gender dynamics within the industry, specifically in fly shops. Madison notes that there is a slim percentage of women visiting the shop, which she finds interesting considering her own background in the industry. She also shares her personal experience of being questioned about her fishing skills despite her position as a shop manager.

    40:48 - We ask Madison about some local attractions in Idaho Falls. She recommends The SnakeBite, a well-known local restaurant, popular even among celebrities like Harrison Ford, who visits when he's in town. She also tells a story about encountering Ty Burrell from "Modern Family" at their fly shop, highlighting the area's appeal to celebrities. Beyond dining, she describes Idaho Falls as a hub for outdoor activities, including hiking, dirt biking, mountain biking, and hunting.

    42:55 - We discuss fishing opportunities throughout the year in Southport, which remains productive, especially with mid-hatch nymphing. Madison explains that the water stays open, allowing for fishing without obstacles. We also talk about the proximity of steelhead fishing, noting it's about three hours away at the Salmon River, while the Clearwater River is six to seven hours away.

    44:23 - Madison talks about how to make the most out of visiting a fly shop. She shares a perspective that visitors should consider spending money, as a form of appreciation for the advice received, instead of just collecting information and purchasing nothing. She also notes that fishing doesn't require expert skills everywhere, as even beginners can succeed.

    46:22 - Madison admits she has never tried Euro nymphing, although she acknowledges its popularity. She explains her preference for fishing in her own style, even if it means not catching a fish.

    Show Notes: https://wetflyswing.com/677

  • Show Notes: https://wetflyswing.com/676

    Presented By: Visit Helena, MT

    On a recent drive across the country, I swung into Helena, Montana. We stopped for a beer, some gear for the trip, and hung out at a local park. And I'll be back this year to fish the mighty Missouri, one of the great rivers out West. In this episode, you're going to hear about a person who sold her business to go all in on fly fishing and where she's focusing her efforts this year. If you're new to fly fishing, then this episode is going to give you some tools and resources to let you know where to start the right way.

    Shalon Hastings, fly fishing instructor guide, an all-around badass fly angler is gonna take us into the Big Mo. You're gonna hear about some of the first things she does with a new student and some things you can take away on this if you're just getting started. And she's gonna talk about why entomology is something you should be learning about. Plus, she's gonna clear the air about women fly fishing in bikinis, all this stuff. We're gonna talk about it and she might have a little different take than you were thinking. We're heading back to the Big Missouri, the Big Mo this year. Let's find out how to do it the right way.

    Show Notes: https://wetflyswing.com/676