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What happens when the thing that defined you no longer defines you?
In this episode of Winning The Away Game, Justinus Adriaanse and Flip van der Merwe sit down with rugby international and Behind The Ruck co-host Rudy Page, alongside former banking executive, helicopter pilot, and Relocated South African founder Jan Higu.
From professional sport to entrepreneurship, from executive leadership to immigration, this conversation explores the uncomfortable reality of starting over. Both guests share deeply personal stories about identity, purpose, fear, reinvention, and what it takes to build something meaningful after success.
If you've ever faced a major life transition, wondered what's next, or felt like you're starting from zero again, this episode is for you.
Key Takeaways
Why losing your identity can be harder than losing your job
How Rudy Page rebuilt purpose after retiring from professional rugby
Lessons Jan learned from leaving corporate leadership and moving abroad
Why vulnerability creates stronger communities than perfection
The hidden emotional costs of immigration and reinvention
How continuous learning becomes your greatest advantage in a second career
Chapters
00:00 Introduction
03:10 Favourite Springbok Memories
06:58 Why Rudy Retired From Rugby
08:40 Starting Behind The Ruck
10:40 Losing Purpose After Sport
14:20 Reinventing Yourself Multiple Times
16:00 Immigration, Adversity and Resilience
21:10 Learning Podcasting From Scratch
24:40 Lessons From Rugby That Still Matter
28:30 Why Jan Left Corporate Life
31:20 The Reality Of Living Abroad
36:00 Helicopters, Celebrities and Risk
39:30 Fear, Faith and Uncertainty
43:00 When Things Go Wrong Overseas
47:30 Identity After Success
53:00 Final Reflections
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Pierre Spies and Daniel Ornellas come from completely different worlds — elite rugby and global music — but this conversation reveals how similar the pressure of identity, purpose, loss, and reinvention really is.
Pierre opens up about losing his father before his Springbok breakthrough, the emotional reality of retiring from rugby, and why fame can never become your identity. Daniel shares the story behind Tree63, moving to America, touring with Taylor Swift and Camila Cabello, and why living abroad made him feel even more South African.
This episode is for founders, athletes, creatives, and anyone wrestling with reinvention after success.
Key Takeaways
Why success often exposes identity problems instead of solving them
The hidden emotional cost of elite performance
How grief shaped both Pierre and Daniel’s leadership journeys
Why moving overseas can deepen your connection to home
The danger of tying your identity to your profession
How purpose becomes clearer after public success fades
Chapters
00:00 Introduction
02:20 Living in Nashville and George
03:10 Favorite Springbok memories
06:55 Pierre’s nightmare Springbok debut
07:30 Losing fathers before career breakthroughs
10:00 The decision that changed Pierre’s life
11:35 Daniel’s father, rock music and radical faith
14:45 Growing up with no money and total faith
15:40 Why Daniel never wanted to be on stage
17:25 Becoming more like your parents
18:40 What death teaches you about life
20:00 Leaving South Africa for America
21:20 The problem with fear-driven emigration
23:00 Why South Africa still feels like home
26:45 Life after rugby and identity loss
28:15 From rugby career to calling
30:30 The hidden challenge of retirement
31:20 Why identity cannot come from achievement
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What do catamarans, tequila, and elite rugby have in common?
On the surface—nothing.
But underneath, this episode reveals the mindset of people who refuse to live ordinary lives.
Ricky Maia and Percy Montgomery unpack what drives obsession-level commitment—from building a boat from scratch and sailing across the Atlantic, to kicking in World Cup finals and launching a tequila brand after rugby.
This is a conversation about chaos, risk, reinvention, and the kind of thinking that makes unconventional lives work.
If you’ve ever felt like your path doesn’t make sense—this episode will.
Chapters
00:00 Introduction
00:02 The 2007 World Cup and elite pressure
00:05 Leaving systems that no longer work
00:08 Building a catamaran from scratch
00:12 The reality behind chasing freedom
00:15 Adapting across countries and cultures
00:18 Losing money and entering the US market
00:21 Rock bottom and rebuilding through obsession
00:24 Life after rugby and launching tequila
00:28 Finding purpose in unconventional paths
00:31 Resourcefulness vs resources
00:34 Advice for young South Africans
00:37 Why doing what you love matters
00:40 AI vs community
00:42 Legacy and long-term impact
Listen on Spotify:https://open.spotify.com/show/26fB2unP9Ih6IA3QkjnGQF?si=4b4380f24a144716
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What separates the leaders who sustain success from those who flame out at the top?
In this episode, Springbok coach Nick Mallett and global fund manager Sean Peche strip back decades of high-performance experience to reveal the decisions, assumptions, and identity shifts that defined — and sometimes derailed — their careers.
This is essential listening for founders, executives, and anyone operating in high-stakes environments where clarity disappears and the pressure to act is constant.
From losing a team's confidence with one selection call, to spending 14 years marketing to the wrong market, both guests bring rare candour to questions most leaders avoid.
If you've ever made a call you regretted under pressure, or held a belief that turned out to be quietly costing you, this episode will hit hard.
Chapters:
Chapters
00:00:00 Introduction — Decisions Without Certainty
00:02:30 Springbok Memories — 1995 and 2019
00:08:00 Nick Mallett: From Player to Coach in France
00:14:00 Sean Peche: Moving to London and Starting Ranmore
00:20:00 The False Assumption That Cost Sean 14 Years
00:25:00 From $50M to $2.5 Billion — The LinkedIn Turning Point
00:30:00 Nick's Biggest Coaching Mistake: The Gary Teichmann Decision
00:37:00 How One Selection Broke Team Trust Instantly
00:42:00 The South African Advantage — Confronting Poverty and Building Resilience
00:49:00 Nick Mallett's Advice for Aspiring Coaches
00:54:00 Two Roads to a Springbok Jersey — Privilege vs. Pure Resilience
00:58:00 Sean on Giving Back: The Run More Shoe Initiative
01:02:00 Should You Wait Before Taking the Big Job?
01:05:00 Getting the Odds on Your Side — Final Lessons
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What does it take to succeed in systems that were never designed to recognise you?
In this episode, Nomsebenzi "Noms" Tsotsobe, the first captain of the Springbok Women's Team, and Francisca Lombard, engineer and creator of MineGPT, share what it really looks like to build credibility, authority, and resilience in male-dominated environments.
This episode is for anyone navigating career transitions, entering spaces where they feel like outsiders, or trying to build something meaningful without recognition.
The core tension: doing the work long before the system is ready to acknowledge you.
If you’ve ever felt overlooked, underestimated, or out of place—this conversation will shift how you approach your career.
Chapters
00:00 Introduction
00:01 Proving Yourself in Unfair Systems
00:03 Nomsebenzi’s First Springbok Moment
00:07 Francisca’s Start in Mining
00:10 Loss, Cancer, and Perspective
00:14 Building Women’s Rugby From Nothing
00:18 Working Without Recognition
00:22 Moving to Canada Alone
00:26 Cultural Shock and Isolation
00:30 Fighting for Authority
00:34 Role Models and Early Influence
00:38 Building Confidence From Scratch
00:42 Finding Your Footing
00:46 Why the Struggle Continues
00:50 The Future of Women’s Rugby
00:53 AI and the Future of Work
00:57 Final Reflections
Listen on Spotify:https://open.spotify.com/show/26fB2unP9Ih6IA3QkjnGQF?si=4b4380f24a144716
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In this episode of Winning The Away Game, Pat Lambie and Bruce Whitfield unpack what it means to rebuild after loss - whether it's concussion ending a rugby career or
walking away from a powerful media platform. This conversation is for founders, operators, and high performers navigating uncertainty,
identity shifts, and global transitions. From elite sport to global banking, this episode explores pressure, resilience, and how
South Africans consistently win on foreign soil.
Key Takeaways
• Why identity loss can be your greatest growth catalyst
• The difference between sporting pressure and financial pressure
• How rugby prepares leaders for business environments
• Why chaos is not destruction - it's diversification
The mindset required to rebuild relevance from zero
• Why South Africans thrive globally
Chapters
00:00 Introduction
03:10 Bruce on Rugby as a Unifier
06:06 Pat's First Springbok Anthem Moment
11:40 Concussion and Forced Retirement 14:09 Bruce's Move to London
18:03 Rebuilding Identity in a New Market
22:37 Transitioning from Rugby to Business
25:30 The Discipline Gap After Sport 29:19 Fatherhood as a New Purpose
33:10 Confidence Under Pressure
37:25 Ego, Leadership and Tough Conversations
44:12 The TymeBank Away Game Story
50:53 Why South Africans Win Globally
54:38 What the Next 10 Years Look Like
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https://podcasts.apple.com/za/podcast/winning-the-away-game/
id1853818584
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In this episode of Winning The Away Game, Schalk Brits and Andrew Farrant unpack the real cost of ambition — from elite rugby and expat life to rebuilding identity in corporate environments abroad.
This conversation is for founders, operators, athletes, and expats who’ve had to reinvent themselves in unfamiliar territory. It’s about sacrifice, culture, ego, family, and the brutal honesty required to build something meaningful in a foreign system.
If you're navigating transition — country, career, or identity — this episode will challenge how you define winning.
00:00 Introduction
02:41 Best Springbok Moments
06:16 The Danger of Forgetting the Journey
07:55 Make Work Fun Again
09:03 Leaving South Africa
11:45 Moving to Saracens
16:16 Culture Over Trophies
20:31 The Reality of UK Life
21:07 Retiring From Rugby
27:26 The 15-Year Experience Gap
35:11 Nearly Losing Family
38:09 Starting From Zero Abroad
44:22 Integrating Into British Culture
50:37 What Does the Future Look Like?
53:39 Compounding Yourself Daily
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In this episode of Winning The Away Game, hosts Justinus Adriaanse and Flip van der Merwe speak with former Springbok Cabous van der Westhuizen and global entertainment executive Brannon Phillips about reinvention, starting over in new countries, and what elite sport teaches you about succeeding when no one is clapping anymore.From building a beach bar business in Mauritius to navigating the entertainment industry in Los Angeles, this episode explores resilience, identity, culture shifts, and the mindset needed to win the Away Game.
Chapters
00:00 Highlights
01:04 Welcome
02:43 Favourite Springbok moment
07:12 Why leave South Africa?
15:59 Adjusting abroad
25:53 Rebuilding credibility
33:24 Culture shifts
39:19 Identity and leadership
43:00 Final reflections
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What happens when elite sport ends, the cheering stops, and life asks you to start again?
In this episode of Winning The Away Game, we sit down with Springbok and Bulls legend Wynand Olivier and veteran journalist Robyn Curnow for a powerful, honest conversation about identity, reinvention, and what it really means to begin again.
We talk about the emotional reality of leaving professional rugby, moving countries, and returning home to a version of life that has moved on without you. Wynand opens up about the shock of retirement, building a business from scratch, and why coming back to South Africa was harder than moving to Japan, France, or England. Robyn shares her journey through global journalism, covering defining moments in South Africa’s history, and what it’s like to rebuild a sense of belonging after more than a decade abroad.
This is a conversation about grief, growth, masculinity, motherhood, legacy, and the quiet courage it takes to adapt when your old identity no longer fits.
If you’ve ever felt displaced, underestimated, or unsure of who you are after a big chapter ends, this episode is for you.
00:00 – Welcome to Winning The Away Game
02:10 – Introducing Wynand Olivier and Robyn
03:05 – Favourite Springbok Memories & National Pride
05:00 – The 2007 Super Rugby Final That Changed Everything
07:10 – Growing Up With Rugby and Knowing This Was the Path
10:30 – What Springbok Success Meant to South Africans
14:20 – Playing Under Pressure in Front of 80,000 People
18:40 – The Golden Era of the Bulls Explained
20:15 – The Decision to Leave South Africa and Go Overseas
24:30 – Landing in Japan Alone and Learning to Adapt
28:40 – From France to England: Life Abroad as a Pro Player
33:40 – Journalism, Nation Building, and Telling South Africa’s Story
37:00 – Covering History: Mandela, Global Leaders, and Hard Truths
41:30 – When Careers End and Identity Shifts
46:10 – Coming Home vs Staying Away
51:00 – Raising Children Across Countries and Cultures
56:40 – Why South Africans Adapt So Well Globally
1:01:10 – Stepping Away From Careers That No Longer Serve You
1:05:50 – Detoxing From Noise, Media, and Modern Life
1:08:30 – Where Will We Watch the 2027 World Cup?
1:11:30 – Defining Legacy Beyond Titles and Careers
1:15:40 – Advice to Our Children and Future Selves
1:20:00 – Final Reflections on Winning the Away Game
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Check out Robyn's podcast, Searching For America, at: https://www.youtube.com/@therobyncurnow
Or subscribe to her Substack at: https://robyncurnow.substack.com/
Connect with Justinus:https://www.linkedin.com/in/justinusadriaanse/
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Winning The Away Game is produced by Jonathan Warncke
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In this episode of Winning The Away Game, we sit down with two true South African sporting icons — Springbok legend Rob Louw and world champion surfer Shaun Tomson. This is a powerful, wide-ranging conversation about breaking barriers, choosing adventure over comfort, leadership through change, and rebuilding life after elite sport. From apartheid-era tours and the evolution of South African rugby, to conquering Hawaii’s waves, building global businesses, and finding purpose after profound personal loss — this episode is about resilience in its truest form. We explore what it really means to win the away game when the rules keep changing. Chapters
00:00 – Introduction & welcome
02:33 – What is your favourite Springbok memory?
07:54 – What was the 1981 tour really like behind the scenes?
10:42 – Shaun, how did rugby shape your upbringing in Durban?
15:02 – Rob, when did you know rugby would define your life? 18:38 – What creates respect across different sports?
24:43 – How did Doc Craven influence your career and values?
29:49 – Shaun, who were your biggest mentors growing up?
38:29 – What did it take to leave South Africa and play overseas?
46:50 – Why were you banned after switching to rugby league?
48:10 – Shaun, what drove you to move to Hawaii and go global?
55:26 – Rob, how did you rebuild life after rugby ended?
1:02:05 – Shaun, how did you navigate life after retiring from sport?
1:10:30 – What role does purpose play in business and leadership?
1:13:30 – Why resilience and hope matter more than ever today
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In this episode of Winning The Away Game, we sit down with Springbok legend Coach G (Gurthro Steenkamp) and entrepreneur (and Shark Tank Shark) Tim Vieira for a deep, honest conversation about reinvention, resilience, and starting again when life forces change.
We unpack what happens when identity is stripped away — through injury, rejection, business failure, or relocation — and how purpose is rebuilt through discomfort, discipline, and perspective. From iconic Springbok memories to brutal lessons in France, Angola, and Portugal, this episode goes far beyond sport or business.
This is a conversation about who you become when the comfort zone disappears.
Chapters
00:00 – Opening montage & episode themes
01:12 – Welcome to Winning The Away Game
01:33 – Introducing Coach G
02:09 – Introducing Tim Vieira
02:59 – What is your favourite Springbok memory?
04:12 – How old were you in 1995 and why did it matter?
05:49 – Where did your rugby journey begin, Coach G?
07:12 – When did rugby shift from a dream to a vision?
08:50 – What did the Cheetahs years teach you about toughness?
10:38 – How did early setbacks shape your mindset?
13:09 – Tim, what is your origin story growing up in Johannesburg?
16:40 – How did rugby influence your early life?
16:49 – Why start a microbrewery at 18?
18:44 – What did your first business failure teach you?
19:38 – Why did you decide to move to Angola?
21:29 – How did failure prepare you for later success?
23:27 – Why did you leave South Africa for France?
24:26 – How did rejection reshape your discipline and drive?
26:04 – What does it take to earn respect at the Bulls?
28:16 – Why deliberately step out of your comfort zone?
30:59 – What was it like landing in Angola and Portugal?
32:57 – How do values and reputation carry you through reinvention?
35:08 – What does “profit for purpose” really mean?
39:55 – What was the hardest part of adapting to French culture?
42:24 – How did loneliness and family pressure test you?
45:16 – What did France teach you about balance and resilience?
47:14 – How did you respond when your career was suddenly threatened?
49:20 – When did purpose shift from ego to family?
51:18 – How did Shark Tank Portugal change your trajectory?
53:24 – Why is Europe such a challenging place to build businesses?
55:42 – What does success look like later in life?
56:55 – Why do we need less than we think we do?
58:20 – What ultimately matters most?
01:01:10 – Why faith and values anchor you through uncertainty
01:03:05 – How family reframes success later in life
01:05:02 – What we get wrong about money, ambition, and fulfillment
01:07:12 – Why contentment is a competitive advantage
01:09:18 – Letting go of ego, status, and comparison
01:11:30 – What legacy really means when the game ends
01:13:40 – Advice for the next generation chasing success abroad
01:15:55 – Why health is the ultimate currency
01:17:20 – What truly matters at the end of it all
01:18:45 – Closing thoughts & gratitude
Listen on Spotify:https://open.spotify.com/show/26fB2unP9Ih6IA3QkjnGQF?si=4b4380f24a144716
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We sat down with BJ Botha (a Sharks man through and through and a Springbok World Cup winner) and Linda Reddy (a South African leader flying the Nando’s flag globally) to talk about what it really takes to build a life and career across borders.
This conversation is about identity, purpose, and the grit it takes to start again: from moving cities, to moving countries, to rebuilding after rugby, to leading teams from the other side of the world.
Key moments:
00:00:00 Intro: What the away game really means
00:01:10 Springbok memories and the moments that shaped us
00:05:48 Identity, national pride, and carrying the flag abroad
00:09:42 Leaving home: expectations when you land overseas
00:13:30 Life after rugby and losing a playing identity
00:16:43 The Nando’s story that changes every immigration conversation
00:19:55 Comfort vs growth when making big moves
00:24:07 The shock of London winter and self-doubt
00:28:36 Why South Africans always have a plan (A, B, C)
00:32:41 Leading teams remotely across continents
00:36:58 Building connection when you’re not in the room
00:42:31 Running toward purpose, not away from pain
00:47:12 Family stability as the foundation for performance
00:53:41 Kilimanjaro, Machu Picchu, Mount Fuji — using challenge for impact
00:57:58 Giving back, leadership, and legacy
00:59:06 Guests ask each other a question
Listen on Spotify:
https://open.spotify.com/show/26fB2unP9Ih6IA3QkjnGQF?si=4b4380f24a144716
Listen on Apple:
https://podcasts.apple.com/za/podcast/winning-the-away-game/id1853818584
Connect with Justinus:
https://www.linkedin.com/in/justinusadriaanse/
Connect with Flip
https://www.linkedin.com/in/flipvandermerwe/
Check out our other channels:
Website: https://wtagpodcast.com/
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/winning-the-away-game-podcast/
Insta: https://www.instagram.com/wtag_podcast/
TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@wtag_podcast
Winning The Away Game is produced by Jonathan Warncke
Connect with him on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/%F0%9F%8E%99-jonathan-warncke-45b2095/
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Gus Byleveld knows what it's like to start all over again, from the bottom floor, with no elevator.
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AJ Venter told us how his experiences growing up and playing rugby informed his strategy in the business.
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We sit down with Springbok legend AJ Venter and technologist-turned-founder Gus Byleveld to talk about what really happens when the first big chapter of your life ends – and you have to start again from scratch.
From barefoot schoolboy rugby on frozen Free State and Paarl fields to Test matches against the All Blacks, Silicon Valley term sheets and a fresh start in Colorado, this conversation is about identity, resilience and doing hard things on and off the field.
In this episode, we talk about:
00:00 Welcome and introductions
00:01:21 Favourite Springbok moments
00:03:33 AJ’s debut, mentorship and learning the hard way
00:08:12 Gus on 1995, identity and South Africa on the world stage
00:13:58 Moving abroad and rebuilding from scratch
00:20:47 When confidence, ego and reality collide
00:29:38 Flip’s long-distance running journey and mental resilience
00:38:12 Vulnerability, networks and support systems in the US
00:44:24 Hein’s daughter’s illness and what Sweden showed him
00:46:10 How to build a country that works for everyone
00:47:19 Life after rugby and chasing extreme challenges
00:50:24 Leadership lessons from sport to business
00:52:49 Training blind cybersecurity analysts in South Africa
01:04:51 A different way to do business
01:06:26 Putting humans first in a tech-driven world
01:07:11 Guest questions: pressure, idols and expectations
01:15:44 Looking ahead to future Rugby World Cups
01:17:19 Closing reflections and farewell
Got a guest you’d love to see on the show? - Drop some suggestions in the comments and we’ll invite them for a chat.
And if you have a question you think we should ask our guests? Let us know.
Listen on Spotify:
https://open.spotify.com/show/26fB2unP9Ih6IA3QkjnGQF?si=4b4380f24a144716
Listen on Apple:
https://podcasts.apple.com/za/podcast/winning-the-away-game/id1853818584
Connect with Justinus:
https://www.linkedin.com/in/justinusadriaanse/
Connect with Flip
https://www.linkedin.com/in/flipvandermerwe/
Check out our other channels:
Website: https://wtagpodcast.com/
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/winning-the-away-game-podcast/
Insta: https://www.instagram.com/wtag_podcast/
TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@wtag_podcast
Winning The Away Game is produced by Jonathan Warncke
Connect with him on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/%F0%9F%8E%99-jonathan-warncke-45b2095/
Ping Productions: https://www.pingproductions.net/ -
In episode 3 of Winning The Away Game, Hein Wagner blew us away with the statement that if he could undergo a surgery that would give him sight, he wouldn’t take it.
Watch the whole incredible interview with Hein and Corne Krige now. -
Kobus Wiese lives life like one of the tight five. Charge ahead, deal with things as they get in your way. Be the unstoppable force.
He even made the huge decision to quit rugby while at the top of his game…overnight.
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We were so inspired by Hein’s incredible story that we had to make a highlights reel.
If you haven’t watched the full interview with Hein and Corne Krige, go check it out now. -
Corne Krige has never shied away from a challenge. Here are some highlights from one of our favourite episodes.
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Kobus Wiese’s formula for success? Work hard, be a team player, and believe in yourself.
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