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Jenny, Solange and Liz get philosophical at the end of the season and talk about object use, facsimiles, and the human connection.
00:33 Straight into philosophy
06:21 What do we value?
10:14 But use is damage, right?
14:20 What about future use?
15:55 Renaissance Disneyland
20:38 Interacting with collections
32:17 Familial connections
35:11 Message from Jenny
Support us on Patreon! http://www.patreon.com/thecword
Hosted by Liz Hébert, Solange Masher, and Jenny Mathiasson.
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Jenny, Solange and Liz share their thoughts on finding clients, while some of our listeners in private practice reveal what really works for them. Also tune in for a book review from Phedra!
00:53 Let’s get into it!
05:05 Bragging about yourself can be hard
06:28 Listener contributions
08:07 Business cards, fairs and open studios
18:36 Should we tell people where we are?
21:27 Listener contributions
23:03 Social media
33:25 Websites and price transparency
42:59 Old-fashioned advertising
47:05 Listener contributions
54:51 Review: Ancient Glass in the J. Paul Getty Museum
Show Notes:
- Ancient Glass in the J. Paul Getty Museum: https://shop.getty.edu/products/ancient-glass-in-the-j-paul-getty-museum-978-1606069196 and https://www.getty.edu/publications/ancient-glass/
Previous business and freelancing episodes:
- S16E06 Early Career Freelancing: https://thecword.show/2025/05/29/s16e06-early-career-freelancing/
- S13E05 Being in Business: https://thecword.show/2023/05/17/s13e05-being-in-business/
- S11E04 Building a Business: https://thecword.show/2022/05/04/s11e04-building-a-business/
- S02E03 Freelancing: https://thecword.show/2017/09/22/s02e03-freelancing/
Support us on Patreon! http://www.patreon.com/thecword
Hosted by Liz Hébert, Solange Masher, and Jenny Mathiasson.
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Liz is joined by Isabella Rossi and Sophie McAloone for another emerging professional special – this time about being in private practice! Or freelance. Or whatever you’d like to call it! (We talk that one out too.) Can you go at it alone as an ECP? Spoilers: yes!
00:36 BevArt chat with Jenny and Solange
08:28 New kids on the block
11:26 The appeal of going solo
17:28 The delicate balance of working with clients
23:08 Learning from each other
29:39 Getting started
41:49 Changes seen and hoped for
Show Notes:
- BevArt: https://www.bev.art/
- BevArt’s new Pro sensor: https://www.bev.art/blog/bev-art-launches-pro-sensor-industry-leading-discreet-climate-monitor
- Follow Sophie: https://www.instagram.com/thenorthernconservator/
- Fine Art Restoration Co: https://fineart-restoration.co.uk/
- Follow Isabella: https://www.instagram.com/rossiconservation/
- Rossi Conservation: https://rossiconservation.com/
- Icon Private Practice Group: https://www.icon.org.uk/groups-and-networks/private-practice.html
- Icon PPG on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=61558105327720
- Icon PPG on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/iconprivatepracticegroup/
- Icon PPG on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/groups/13023584/
Support us on Patreon! http://www.patreon.com/thecword
Hosted by Liz Hébert, Sophie McAloone, and Isabella Rossi.
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Jenny and Solange are joined by conservation scientist Panagiotis Morfis as we talk bioplastics: what are they, where do they crop up, and how can we look after them? Also tune in for a review of ‘Experimental Design and Scientific Data Analysis’ from Jenny.
01:03 Feeling out of our depth is okay
05:00 What ARE bioplastics?
07:25 Information and identification
14:09 Bringing in the science
17:06 3D printing
25:28 Survey time!
29:46 3D printers in every home
31:07 The place of 3D printers in conservation
38:51 A return to making
48:44 Review: Experimental Design and Scientific Data Analysis
Show Notes:
- S02E05 Modern Materials (our old plastics episode!): https://thecword.show/2017/10/18/s02e05-modern-materials/
- Research overview from Panos: https://drive.google.com/file/d/18vNefVxMUH2urWH62RSkoMkJ6LrfSxVo/view?usp=sharing
- FTIR: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourier-transform_infrared_spectroscopy
- Raman spectroscopy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raman_spectroscopy
- Liquid chromatography: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-performance_liquid_chromatography
- Panos’ survey: https://forms.office.com/r/XJv81gneMW
- Experimental Design and Scientific Data Analysis: https://www.routledge.com/Experimental-Design-and-Scientific-Data-Analysis/Skipper-Skipper/p/book/9781032501635
Recommended Reading from Panos:
- ‘Sustainability at Christmas: Considering single use items, traditional plastics and bioplastics’: https://www.open.edu/openlearn/science-maths-technology/design-innovation/sustainability-at-christmas
- MoDiP projects: https://www.modip.ac.uk/projects
- A curator’s guide to plastics: https://www.modip.ac.uk/projects/curators-guide-plastics
Support us on Patreon! http://www.patreon.com/thecword
Hosted by Jenny Mathiasson, Solange Masher and Panagiotis (Panos) Morfis.
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In this takeover special folks from the Heritage Trust Network Youth Forum get real about being emerging and early career professionals in heritage: sharing thoughts on resilience, broad skill sets, and whether or not we’re over the whole ‘digital’ thing. Are we maybe done with instant gratification? Also tune in for a book review from Liz!
00:13 BevArt update!
01:45 Introducing our takeover crew
02:55 Meet Grace, Becca, Emily, and Kate
13:46 How do you get experience?
20:01 Discovering a hidden community
26:38 Let’s talk digitisation in heritage
42:02 Our own collections
44:35 Review: Gesina ter Borch
Show Notes:
- BevArt: https://www.bev.art/
- Heritage Trust Network Youth Forum: https://heritagetrustnetwork.org.uk/heritage-trust-network-youth-forum/
- Gesina ter Borch by Adam Eaker: https://shop.getty.edu/products/gesina-ter-borch-978-1606069462
Support us on Patreon! http://www.patreon.com/thecword
Hosted by the people at the Heritage Trust Network Youth Forum in collaboration with The C Word team.
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Join us as we all share the love for the smaller museums out there by visiting somewhere local (to each of us) or ditty (if we were on holiday). Come along to five wonderful little museums!
01:03 Solange visits Derwent Pencil Museum
09:52 Phedra goes to the Museum of Greek Refugees
24:33 Liz visits the Our Lord in the Attic Museum
34:17 Kloe goes to Shibden Hall
44:00 Jenny visits the Dylan Thomas Boathouse
Show Notes:
- Derwent Pencil Museum: https://www.derwentart.com/en-gb/c/about/company/derwent-pencil-museum
- The Museum of Greek Refugees: https://www.visitkavala.gr/en/sightseeing/museum-greek-refugees/
- Our Lord in the Attic Museum: https://opsolder.nl/en/museum-our-lord-in-the-attic/
- Shibden Hall: https://museums.calderdale.gov.uk/visit/shibden-hall
- Dylan Thomas Boathouse: https://cofgar.wales/venues/dylan-thomas-boathouse/
Support us on Patreon! http://www.patreon.com/thecword
Hosted by Jenny Mathiasson.
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Jenny, Liz and Solange tackle the age old question: how do you choose a conservation specialism? How did we find ours and what should you consider? Also tune in for a review of the new edition of ‘Culture is Bad for You’ from Jenny!
00:31 Kloe and Phedra are on maternity leave
01:24 How Solange found books
05:57 Do we begin with the craft?
08:55 Solange accidentally introduces someone to conservation
13:09 Let’s teach kids repair skills!
15:28 How Liz found paintings
19:25 Jenny’s refusal to stick to any one thing
25:45 Don’t be afraid to reach out!
27:49 Have any listeners switched specialisms?
33:04 But objects is a specialism!
34:40 How to narrow the possibilities
43:19 Skill shortages and ‘safe bets’
46:17 Review: Culture is Bad for You (new edition)
Show Notes:
- Culture is Bad for You – Inequality in the Cultural and Creative Industries: https://manchesteruniversitypress.co.uk/9781526177810/
Support us on Patreon! http://www.patreon.com/thecword
Hosted by Solange Masher, Liz Hébert, and Jenny Mathiasson.
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Liz and Solange are joined by Mary Lewis, head of craft sustainability at Heritage Crafts. Where does conservation and craft overlap? Let’s talk it out! Also tune in for a book review from Jenny.
00:24 Sponsorship news, hooray!
01:57 Meet Mary
05:53 Kindling crafts and their benefits
07:44 Intangible cultural heritage and the fetishisation of objects
11:45 Endangered crafts
17:19 Being human and using your hands
24:40 Overlap between making and repairing or maintaining
30:32 Woes of making a living
35:42 Shortages in conservation and crafts
42:58 What’s the next big craft trend?
48:44 Review: Conservation of Plaster Casts
Show Notes:
- BevArt: https://www.bev.art/
- Heritage Crafts: https://www.heritagecrafts.org.uk/
- A little about Mary: https://www.heritagecrafts.org.uk/staff/mary-lewis/
- Ratification of the 2003 Convention for the Safeguarding of the Intangible Cultural Heritage: https://www.unesco.org/en/articles/united-kingdom-great-britain-and-northern-ireland-ratifies-2003-convention-safeguarding-intangible
- The Red List of Endangered Crafts: https://www.heritagecrafts.org.uk/skills/redlist/
- List of Living National Treasures of Japan: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Living_National_Treasures_of_Japan_(crafts)
- Stone carving podcast mentioned by Solange: https://sites.libsyn.com/442152
- Conservation of Plaster Casts: https://archetype.co.uk/our-titles/conservation-of-plaster-casts/?id=436
Support us on Patreon! http://www.patreon.com/thecword
Hosted by Solange Masher, Liz Hébert, and Mary Lewis.
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Ho ho ho! In this festive special the team assembles to play a game of ‘Would you rather?’ and make some predictions for the year ahead – plus an exciting announcement from Phedra and Kloe!
00:05:13 A game of ‘Would you rather?’
00:31:07 Predictions for 2025
00:38:04 The announcement!
00:41:01 Songs on YouTube
00:41:34 Thank you, listeners!
Show Notes:
- S09E08 Dyes in Conservation: https://thecword.show/2021/06/30/s09e08-dyes-in-conservation/
- S06E03 The One with the Arduino: https://thecword.show/2019/10/16/s06e03-the-one-with-the-arduino/
- Xray My Advent (Mastodon advent calendar): https://glammr.us/tags/XrayMyAdvent
- Christmas playlist: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLrpSmIb8Dh32tU-6vLnvhEGVwauPGC3Ug
Support us on Patreon! http://www.patreon.com/thecword
Hosted by Jenny Mathiasson, Kloe Rumsey, Phedra Komodromou, Solange Masher, and Liz Hébert.
Intro and outro music by DDmyzik, used under a Creative Commons Attribution license.
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We consider a few different takes on apprenticeships: Liz has been an apprentice, Jenny has hosted one, and Kloe is keen. Kloe also talks to Jane Henderson about the potential pitfalls, and Solange interviews stone carvers Nina Bilbey and Charlotte Howarth about how apprenticeships work in their industry. Don’t forget to tune in for a Dear Jane about choosing a specialism at the end!
00:02:11 Recent keynote on the topic
00:08:38 Liz’ experience of apprenticeships
00:15:30 How do you get to host an apprentice? (Jenny gets this a little wrong)
00:20:28 Jenny’s experience of hosting a Level 3 apprenticeship
00:34:05 Some alternative approaches
00:37:48 Will employers accept apprentices?
00:45:46 Passing on knowledge
00:47:20 Correction about length of Icon apprenticeships
00:48:25 Interview with Jane Henderson
01:07:24 Interview with Charlotte and Nina
01:20:06 Dear Jane
Show Notes:
- S15E01 Icon24 Special + Summer Updates: https://thecword.show/2024/09/18/s15e01-icon24-special-summer-updates/
- Diversity Discussion Panel Bonus Episode: https://thecword.show/2019/03/01/bonus-episode-diversity-discussion-panel/
- Marsh conservation award winners 2024: https://www.icon.org.uk/resource/marsh-conservation-awards-winners-announced-at-icon24.html
- Art CPR: https://www.artcpr.com/
- National minimum wage (including apprentices): https://www.gov.uk/national-minimum-wage-rates
- Apprenticeship levels in the UK explained: https://www.gov.uk/become-apprentice
- Georgie Dennis Conservation: https://www.georgiedennisconservation.com/
- S15E05 Accreditation Part 2: https://thecword.show/2024/11/13/s15e05-accreditation-part-2-the-international-take/
- SRAL: https://sral.nl/en
- Icon apprenticeships: https://www.icon.org.uk/careers/conservation-apprenticeships.html
- Museums Association AMA: https://www.museumsassociation.org/careers/ama/
- Charlotte Howarth: https://www.making-marks.com/
- Nina Bilbey: https://ninabilbey.com/
- The Lettering Arts Trust: https://www.letteringartstrust.org.uk/
- Listen to Charlotte and Nina’s podcast: https://sites.libsyn.com/442152
Support us on Patreon! http://www.patreon.com/thecword
Hosted by Jenny Mathiasson, Kloe Rumsey, and Liz Hébert.
Intro and outro music by DDmyzik, used under a Creative Commons Attribution license.
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In this takeover special the conservators at the National Trust take us behind the scenes: telling us their stories, sharing their hopes for the future, and smashing myths about NT properties!
00:00:12 Have you heard of BevArt?
00:02:12 Sarah and Siobhan introduce the National Trust
00:08:18 Urban gems
00:10:14 Managing collections in houses
00:17:04 Changing approaches to preservation
00:22:30 Anita and Rebecca go for a walk
00:27:34 Saying hello to Sarah and the book conservation volunteers
00:32:41 Clare and Claire in the textile studio
00:39:01 Internships and learning
00:43:54 Looking to the future of the studio
00:45:55 Sarah visits Emma at the Knole studio
00:52:37 Sharing the space
01:00:45 Sharing the knowledge
01:04:40 Routes into the profession
01:07:54 Going into the Royal Oak studio
01:11:15 Saying hi to Anna and the artworks
01:19:04 Bonus content: stags at sunset!
Show Notes:
- BevArt: https://www.bev.art/
- BevArt’s buy-back scheme: https://www.bev.art/blog/bev-art-launches-sensor-buy-back-program
- The National Trust: https://www.nationaltrust.org.uk/
- Batemans: https://www.nationaltrust.org.uk/visit/sussex/batemans
- Hughenden Manor: https://www.nationaltrust.org.uk/visit/oxfordshire-buckinghamshire-berkshire/hughenden
- The Textile Conservation Studio: https://www.nationaltrust.org.uk/visit/norfolk/the-textile-conservation-studio
- The Royal Oak Foundation Conservation Studio: https://www.nationaltrust.org.uk/visit/kent/the-royal-oak-foundation-conservation-studio
Support us on Patreon! http://www.patreon.com/thecword
Hosted by the conservators at the National Trust in collaboration with The C Word team.
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Kloe and Solange give an update on their respective journeys while Liz and Phaedra talk to Bethany Jo Mikelait and Mariana Onofri about how the profession (and accreditation) works in Canada and Brazil. Also tune in for a Dear Jane about gently refusing to work on an object.
00:00:23 Solange and Kloe’s updates
00:15:29 Who are our co-hosts?
00:16:32 How it works in Canada
00:31:28 How it works in Brazil
00:45:48 How can we be regulated BUT also inclusive?
01:01:51 Dear Jane
Show Notes:
- S13E02 Accreditation (Part 1): https://thecword.show/2023/04/05/s13e02-accreditation-part-1/
- Canadian Association of Professional Conservators: https://capc-acrp.ca/
- Bethany’s practice: https://www.theartconservatory.ca/
- Follow Mariana on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/marianaonofri.restauro/
- Canadian Conservation Institute: https://www.canada.ca/en/conservation-institute.html
- Q&A with Indigenous lawmaker Célia Xakriabá: https://news.mongabay.com/2023/02/if-brazil-starts-with-us-why-did-we-arrive-last-qa-with-indigenous-lawmaker-celia-xakriaba/
- Regulamenta Ja's Instagram account: https://www.instagram.com/regulamentaja_cr/
- News in Conservation article by Sayang Rehan: https://www.iiconservation.org/publications/nic/news-conservation-issue-102-june-july-2024
- Museums Association Ethics Committee: https://www.museumsassociation.org/campaigns/ethics/committee/
Support us on Patreon! http://www.patreon.com/thecword
Hosted by Kloe Rumsey, Phedra Komodromou, Liz Hébert, Bethany Jo Mikelait, Mariana Onofri, and Solange Masher.
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Echoes of the past, dead objects, and creepy stores – Solange, Kloe and Jenny have a lot on their minds in this year’s spooky special! Jenny also visits a newly opened paranormal museum, Liz reviews an enchanting chapter from a sumptuous tome, and Jenny reads a book of ghost stories set in heritage locations.
00:34 Have you heard of BevArt?
04:59 What are ‘ghost signs’ exactly?
16:17 Solange’s haunted attic dwelling
21:19 We get philosophical about the lives of objects
27:52 Spooky stores
33:01 Jenny visits Rowtons' Museum of the Paranormal and Spirituality
39:59 Jenny reviews ‘Eight Ghosts’
43:00 Liz reviews ‘Art as a Spell’
47:01 Patreon teaser – Phedra’s mystery
Show Notes:
- BevArt: https://www.bev.art/
- BevArt’s buy-back scheme: https://www.bev.art/blog/bev-art-launches-sensor-buy-back-program
- Ghost signs according to Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghost_sign
- Historic England Ghost Sign project: https://historicengland.org.uk/whats-new/features/ghost-signs/
- Park Hill graffiti: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_Love_You_Will_U_Marry_Me
- S01E02 Human Remains: https://thecword.show/2017/03/15/s01e02-human-remains/
- The Unbinding: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt27485427/
- Lyrics to Puff the Magic Dragon: https://genius.com/Peter-paul-and-mary-puff-the-magic-dragon-lyrics
- Rowtons' Museum of the Paranormal and Spirituality: https://rowtonsmuseum.co.uk/
- Witchcraft – The Library of Esoterica: https://www.taschen.com/en/books/esoterica/08019/witchcraft-the-library-of-esoterica/
- Eight Ghosts book project via English Heritage: https://www.english-heritage.org.uk/halloween/eight-ghosts/ and https://www.english-heritageshop.org.uk/eight-ghosts-paperback
- Buy the book on Amazon: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Eight-Ghosts-English-Heritage-Stories/dp/1910463736
Support us on Patreon! http://www.patreon.com/thecword
Hosted by Jenny Mathiasson, Kloe Rumsey, and Solange Masher.
Intro and outro music by DDmyzik, used under a Creative Commons Attribution license.
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What’s it like to work on glass? Jenny and Phedra are joined by emerging conservator Terri Costello as they explore this fragile but ancient material. Also tune in for Solange’s interview with artist Freya Laughton about preserving memories in glass.
01:40 Phedra’s adventures with Roman glass
04:30 All the exciting places we find it in collections
11:36 Trying out glassblowing and involving expert makers
19:03 Chemistry, imperfections and tools
34:00 Colourful chemistry and stresses in glass
41:56 Getting started in glass
43:31 Interview with Freya Laughton
54:44 Patreon shout-out
Show Notes:
- Costello Conservation: https://costelloconservation.com/
- Go follow Terri on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/t.costello.conservation/
- Glass and ceramics programme at University of Amsterdam: https://www.uva.nl/shared-content/programmas/en/masters/conservation-and-restoration-of-cultural-heritage/study-programme/glass-and-ceramics/glass-and-ceramics.html
- Egyptian faïence: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egyptian_faience
- Glasriket: https://glasriket.se/en/
- Blown Away on Netflix: https://www.netflix.com/gb/title/80215147
- Allard Pierson Museum: https://allardpierson.nl/en/
- Corning Museum of Glass: https://home.cmog.org/
- The Glass Heart exhibition: https://twotempleplace.org/exhibitions/the-glass-heart/
- A beautiful infographic about coloured glass: https://www.compoundchem.com/2015/03/03/coloured-glass/
- Fractography: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fractography
- The Techniques of Roman-Period Glassblowing: https://romanglassblowing.cmog.org/
- Seafire Design: https://www.seafiredesign.co.uk/
- Follow Freya on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/seafire_design
Support us on Patreon! http://www.patreon.com/thecword
Hosted by Jenny Mathiasson, Phedra Komodromou, and Terri Costello.
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Fess up: when did you last lose something? Liz, Phedra, Kloe and Jenny explore what ‘loss’ can mean in collections, in heritage generally, and in conservation.
00:01:10 What do we mean by lost?
00:02:13 Misplaced, disassociated, data loss
00:05:59 Kloe is a fan of the hard copy
00:11:53 Theft in museums
00:15:37 Does loss enhance the value of art?
00:17:56 The motivation behind a theft matters
00:21:30 Freeports and their implications
00:29:09 ‘Redistributed’ or looted heritage
00:34:09 Climate change brings loss
00:36:44 Custodial neglect in our personal lives
00:50:14 Have you lost something during treatment?
01:04:07 Support us on Patreon
Show Notes:
- Dissociation as an agent of deterioration: https://www.digitwithraven.com/single-post/agents-of-deterioration-dissociation
- ‘Thief at the British Museum’ podcast: https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m001zlz0/episodes/player
- The theft of the Mona Lisa in 1911: https://www.historytoday.com/archive/months-past/mona-lisa-stolen-louvre
- Cyprus receives artefacts back: https://cyprus-mail.com/2024/07/22/returned-items-reflect-struggle-to-recover-cultural-heritage/
- Geneva Free Port article: https://www.thecollector.com/geneva-free-port-the-worlds-most-secretive-art-warehouse/
- Acceptance In Lieu: https://www.artscouncil.org.uk/supporting-arts-museums-and-libraries/supporting-collections-and-cultural-property/acceptance-lieu
- Art UK database: https://artuk.org/
- Hillwood Estate, Museum & Gardens: https://hillwoodmuseum.org
- S11E01 Conservation and Conflict: https://thecword.show/2022/03/23/s11e01-conservation-and-conflict/
- Pontic Greeks on Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pontic_Greeks
- Saving Ukrainian Cultural Heritage Online: https://www.sucho.org/
- Kloe’s event on costume care: https://dancejoy.co.uk/
- S04E07 Tools Galore: https://thecword.show/2018/12/12/s04e07-tools-galore/
- S14E06 Musical Instruments: https://thecword.show/2024/05/30/s14e06-musical-instruments/
Support us on Patreon! http://www.patreon.com/thecword
Hosted by Jenny Mathiasson, Phedra Komodromou, Liz Hébert, and Kloe Rumsey.
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We recap our experiences at Icon24: Conservation for Change as we reflect on the conference and our first nearly-full-team meet-up! Phedra also interviews Patrick Whife from Icon about organising the event. Finally we all share our various summer adventures and plans for the autumn!
00:02:07 We went to a conference (you might’ve guessed)
00:08:11 Audio adventures from Icon24
00:42:41 Phedra has a great idea (please steal it)
00:44:13 Creating a better experience online
00:50:32 We’d have Icon Loughborough or Icon Doncaster
00:53:06 Interview with Patrick Whife
01:13:16 What have Jenny, Phedra and Kloe been doing this summer?
01:19:22 Solange’s summer update
01:21:45 And a summer update from Liz
01:23:55 Support us on Patreon
Show Notes:
- Icon24 details: https://www.icon.org.uk/events/icon-2024-conference-conservation-for-change.html
- Assassins Creed Odyssey: https://www.ubisoft.com/en-gb/game/assassins-creed/odyssey
- Book a tour with Liz: https://www.thoseamsterdames.com/
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In this year’s travel special we go on FOUR individual journeys: a sort of deconstructed road trip. Kloe goes to sunny Spain, Liz takes her bike to the Rijks Museum, Jenny darts between museums in Sweden, and finally Phedra goes on a watery adventure in Cyprus. Don’t miss the return of Cass Fino-Radin at the end of the episode, when they interview emerging conservation professionals at the recent AIC conference in Salt Lake City. Sit back and enjoy the journey!
00:00:36 What’s a deconstructed road trip exactly?
00:04:06 Kloe excitedly explores Spain
00:21:44 Liz visits the Rijks Museum
00:34:40 Jenny wanders around Sweden
00:53:01 Phedra goes underwater in Cyprus
01:10:45 Cass interviews ECPs at AIC
Show Notes:
- S11E08 Manx Road Trip Special: https://thecword.show/2022/06/29/s11e08-manx-road-trip-special/
- Museo Arqueológico Nacional: https://www.esmadrid.com/en/tourist-information/museo-arqueologico-nacional
- Fancy restaurant alert (Corral de la Morería Gastronómico): https://guide.michelin.com/gb/en/comunidad-de-madrid/madrid/restaurant/corral-de-la-moreria-gastronomico
- Alcalá de Henares, Spain: https://artsandculture.google.com/story/agXhkBx8wyUD-w?hl=en
- Rijks Museum: https://www.rijksmuseum.nl/en
- Van Gogh Museum: https://www.vangoghmuseum.nl/en
- Stedelijk Museum: https://www.stedelijk.nl/en
- Operation Night Watch: https://www.rijksmuseum.nl/en/stories/operation-night-watch
- Those Amsterdames tours: https://www.thoseamsterdames.com/
- Carl Larsson-gården, Sundborn: https://www.carllarsson.se/en/
- Dalarna in Sweden: https://www.visitdalarna.se/en
- Falu Gruvmuseum: https://www.falugruva.se/en/
- Mining world heritage site of Falun: https://whc.unesco.org/en/list/1027/
- Christopher Polhem: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Polhem
- Polhem B&B: https://polhembedandbreakfast.se/en/
- VRAK Museum of Wrecks: https://www.vrak.se/en/
- Paphos, Cyprus: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paphos
- Tomb of the Kings: https://www.visitcyprus.com/index.php/en/discovercyprus/culture/sites-monuments/253-tombs-of-the-kings
- MUSAN Museum of Underwater Sculpture Ayia Napa: https://musan.com.cy/
- Jason deCaires Taylor: https://underwatersculpture.com/
- Phedra’s diving instructor: https://www.instagram.com/marishaa_cy
- S13E07 Time-Based Media Conservation: https://thecword.show/2023/06/15/s13e07-time-based-media-conservation/
- Art and Obsolescence podcast: https://www.artandobsolescence.com/
- AIC 52nd Annual Meeting (Salt Lake City 2024): https://www.culturalheritage.org/events/annual-meeting/past-meetings/52nd-annual-meeting-in-salt-lake-city-(2024)
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Kloe and Phedra are joined by Jill Carruthers in an episode all about newer, fresh-faced museums. What’s it like opening a brand NEW museum? Phedra talks to Matt Turtle from the Museum of Homelessness AND Eleni Loizides from the Cyprus Archaeological Museum, while Solange sits down to chat with James Hogg from the Yorkshire Natural History Museum. Also tune in for a review of ‘Conservation Skills for the 21st Century’ from Jenny!
00:01:20 What’s a new museum?
00:12:34 How Showtown came to be
00:31:56 Making a museum yours
00:37:24 Redefining museums
00:42:05 Is less more?
00:49:54 Reminder!
00:51:19 Interview with Matt Turtle
01:04:09 Interview with James Hogg
01:17:10 Interview with Eleni Loizides
01:26:11 Review of ‘Conservation Skills for the 21st Century’
Show Notes:
- Showtown: https://www.showtownblackpool.co.uk/
- Grand Egyptian Museum influencer video Phedra mentioned: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0nwZkVldpvI
- Quiz mentioned by Jill: https://www.mhminsight.com/culture-segments/survey/
- Join us on Patreon: http://www.patreon.com/thecword
- Get your tickets for Icon24: https://www.icon.org.uk/events/icon-2024-conference-conservation-for-change.html
- Museum of Homelessness: https://museumofhomelessness.org/
- Neo Jurassica: https://neojurassica.org/
- Yorkshire Natural History Museum: https://ynhm.org/
- Cyprus Archaeological Museum teaser videos made by the architect: https://youtu.be/iJrI4tOUDmQ and https://youtu.be/Vc8HjbVdmsI
- Conservation Skills for the 21st Century: https://www.routledge.com/Conservation-Skills-for-the-21st-Century-Judgement-Method-and-Decision-Making/Caple-Williams/p/book/9780367443320
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Liz and Phedra are joined by Jonathan Santa Maria Bouquet as they talk about the conservation of musical instruments: from tuning and treatment considerations to ethics and philosophy. Also tune in (pun somewhat intended) for an interview from Solange with Emma Hardy, violin maker and repairer. There’s even some lovely music at the end!
00:22 More announcements!
02:26 Origin story
07:01 The perils and pleasures of working in a fishbowl
09:38 Tuning and a crash course in ‘temperament’
17:10 Working with musicians
19:29 To play or not to play?
23:04 Seeing the history of an instrument
27:55 Treatment considerations and the need for balance
31:07 A place for copies and reconstructions
37:17 Patreon appeal
00:37:42 Interview with Emma Hardy and music from Rosie Butler Hall
Show Notes:
- Nominate someone for the Marsh Conservation Awards 2024: https://www.icon.org.uk/impact/the-marsh-conservation-awards.html
- Join us at Icon24 in July: https://www.icon.org.uk/events/icon-2024-conference-conservation-for-change.html
- Get in touch with Jonathan: https://www.ed.ac.uk/profile/jonathan-smb
- St Cecilia’s Hall Concert Room and Music Museum: https://www.stcecilias.ed.ac.uk/
- More about the St Cecilia collection: https://collections.ed.ac.uk/mimed/
- ICOM International Committee of Museums and Collections of Instruments and Music (CIMCIM): https://cimcim.mini.icom.museum/
- St Cecilia’s Hall sound library: https://digital.eca.ed.ac.uk/soundlibraries/
- Hardy Violins in Sheffield: https://hardyviolins.co.uk/
More resources:
- To play or not to play: http://www.vam.ac.uk/content/journals/conservation-journal/issue-15/to-play-or-not-to-play-the-ethics-of-musical-instrument-conservation/
- Focus on historic musical instruments: https://www.akbild.ac.at/en/institutes/conservation-restoration/study-focus/objects-focus-on-wood-historic-musical-instruments
- Italian degree in musical instrument conservation: https://restauro.cdl.unipv.it/it
- On the conservation of musical instruments (CIMCIM): https://cimcim.mini.icom.museum/conservation-of-musical-instruments/
- Preservation Perspectives blog: https://libraryblogs.is.ed.ac.uk/conservation/
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Jenny, Solange and Phedra are joined by Luisa Casella as we talk about AI: how can conservators use these tools and what are their pros and cons? Luisa tells us about CRAIG, a large language model for conservators, while Jenny frets about the climate impact. Also tune in for a review of a recent lecture on AI usage from Solange and Phedra!
01:35 What do we mean by AI?
04:11 Building a LLM for conservators
13:33 Climate impact and ethical concerns
20:28 Sophisticated users needed
24:13 Future impact on conservation
35:25 Best AI uses we’ve seen
37:46 How is CRAIG different from ChatGPT?
39:42 Teaser: Interview with Robert Erdmann
40:18 Review of Dr Nicholas Eastaugh’s recent AI lecture
47:34 Patreon appeal
Show Notes:
- S01E09 Museum Pi: https://thecword.show/2017/06/21/s01e09-museum-pi/
- S06E03 The One with the Arduino: https://thecword.show/2019/10/16/s06e03-the-one-with-the-arduino/
- Follow Luisa and her conservation tips here: https://linktr.ee/conservation_tips
- CRAIG: https://chatgpt.com/g/g-P8SfTCDEO-craig-conservation-restoration-ai-generative-tool
- ChatGPT by OpenAI: https://chatgpt.com/
- BBC article on Sarah Silverman that Jenny mentioned: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-66164228
- AIC conservation wiki: https://www.conservation-wiki.com/wiki/Main_Page
- AI and the Climate Crisis (lecture recording): https://goldsmiths.cloud.panopto.eu/Panopto/Pages/Viewer.aspx?id=609824f6-5e69-4241-9bd4-b13a00d3d05b
- AI’s Growing Carbon Footprint: https://news.climate.columbia.edu/2023/06/09/ais-growing-carbon-footprint/
- More on energy usage of AI: https://www.washington.edu/news/2023/07/27/how-much-energy-does-chatgpt-use/
- BBC article on AI reading ancient burnt scrolls: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-68221243
- Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwHBfYsHR0UBAiA_VhMeOIw
- Paintings Group lecture mentioned: https://www.icon.org.uk/events/paintings-group-art-authorship-and-ai-for-good-or-ill.html
Other AI resources:
- Luisa’s Substack article on AI: https://conservationtips.substack.com/p/ai-in-art-conservation
- Heritage Fund briefing on AI: https://www.heritagefund.org.uk/about/insight/research/artificial-intelligence-digital-heritage-leadership-briefing
- Museums Association on AI: https://www.museumsassociation.org/category/ai/
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